Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #41

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  1. afitzy

    afitzy STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES!

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    With you on testing the system.

    I keep going through the timeline of yesterday and so far as I can tell the only people apparently NOT looking for Fd at Noon in Stamford were Atty Colangelo and CSP. Why?

    I know if I were Judge White I would be incendiary and ditto for Atty Colangelo. Yet, it wasn't the tracking people that apparently alerted on Fd not being where he was supposed to be yesterday IMO based on the reporting we saw yesterday. Why?

    Maybe we don't have the full story but I do hope Judge White investigates what is going on the with monitoring as I'm not convinced that Judge Blawie and Atty Colangelo resolved the monitoring situation following the previous Fd 'detour' into Westchester County.

    Yesterday we saw the bail person most likely make the call to Farmington PD for the wellness check at 11:54am and then we have Atty Smith in Stamford getting concerned that his client was nowhere to be seen at 12:15pm. Atty Smith was baffled to not see his client in Stamford IMO.

    Monitoring folks had to have approved the departure from 4Jx to Stamford and so with real time tracking would have be alerted that Fd had left 4Jx. Fd NEVER left 4Jx yesterday (except by ambulance) and so I wonder where the monitoring people were and why CSP weren't on top of the Fd movements yesterday. Clearly the results of not being on top of the bracelet situation IMO speak for themselves and have been played out now for nearly 24 hrs. with continual media coverage.

    The travel time from Farmington was known and the location of Fd and time he was due in Stamford IMO was also known. Yet why did it appear that nobody knew that Fd didn't depart 4Jx in time to make it to Stamford yesterday? Real time tracking capabilities exist with the bracelet and that was how it was able to be determined that Fd had never left 4Jx. But what is the point of having the technology with the bracelet if its not being utilised properly to track a person accused of murder who has a vested interest IMO of flight?

    What I wonder also is if nobody on the monitoring side was watching Fd yesterday to make sure he left 4Jx as scheduled, who is to say that at somewhere between 10 (possibly when the person staying with him left 4Jx) and 10:30 am (when he got phone call from the Hartford bail person) instead of trying to commit suicide he simply got in his car and went to the local airfield and got in a plane and simply headed north or for parts unknown. Fd yesterday IMO could have escaped and had at least a 1.5-2 hr jump on LE and it appears that CSP and Atty Colangelo would never have known.

    Yesterday was interesting because there was a fixed time where many people were looking for Fd (he was supposed to be in Court for his hearing at noon). Whats also interesting is that Fd had to get approval to leave 4Jx and drive to Stamford and be there for a period of time (assume 1.5 hrs on the road). This put Fd on the roads in CT and if he had gotten in his car yesterday and based on what it seems like might be going on with the monitoring, I'm not at all sure he couldn't have also driven in a totally different direction for a good long time before someone figured out what was going on and attempted to find him?

    I find this quite disturbing and I have to say that I don't have much confidence in what we are seeing regarding the bracelet monitoring! The tech on the bracelets is quite clear and we have discussed them endlessly here on WS. But if nobody is watching then what is the point of the bracelets?

    I hope Judge White or someone in Hartford or Stamford tracking this case investigates what happened yesterday and how so much time was allowed to Fd without apparent supervision and not following his prearranged travel plan without seeing CSP showing up at 4JX. IMO CSP should have been at 4jx if there was no alert that Fd had left 4Jx by 10:30am. Instead, we saw Farmington PD scrambling to enter 4Jx shortly after 12:00pm.

    Not sure what is going on but little about this timeline and tracking makes much sense to me. The Judge released Fd with very serious charges and took it for granted that he was being monitored. Now, it appears that this might not have happened in the way that the Judge expected.

    Hartford I think we just might have a problem here!!!!!!!


    MOO
     


  2. Woodswarrior

    Woodswarrior Well-Known Member

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    Hi @afitzy, I’ve been following this ws thread since July just recently joined.Im truly honored by your welcoming me.I believe fd is guilty and want nothing more than to watch him go to jail for life. It aggravates me of his attempted suicide because he is a coward and took the easy way out!
    How ever I’ve watched so much true crime related shows, Documentaries Including nearly the whole oj Simpson case on live televised court,that I come to realize that no case is a slam dunk no matter how compelling the evidence. Sleaze bag attorneys like norm who represent killers like fd will stop at nothing to get a acquittal.
    Np in one light is a pompas(redacted) for sure.But I recall a poster who said that her law professor said that np is fd best chance of a innocent finding.and I believe it. I’m glad of all the mistakes he has made in public opinion but there comes a point where it just np and 12 jurors. We don’t know how much or what evidence he gets thrown out but I think some will,that being said.
    Here is what I think norms explanation for dna at Wells could be.dna on door knob is from who ever picked up his used plate on the 22nd and carried It into the house got some of his dna on their fingers and transferred to door knob.on the faucet back splash while washing the plate some dna got on faucet. Do you and I believe this?no!! But compelled with more and more doubt brought out by np could it convince one juror? Who knows. He will spin doubt into everything,do I believe that doubt should supersede fact?NO!!!! But we’ve seen it turn jurors before.
     
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  3. enelram

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    Yes, I'm thinking like you. Had NP already
    alluded to FD that the green was slowing down
    and they may need to abbreviate so much hand holding and service. Remember way back several of us predicted when FD couldn't pay
    NP, we would see diminished services. Well I
    think this happened this week. Money flow to
    law office stopped and thus FD was left hanging and driving himself to court, arranging his own bond, etc. This may have also contributed to FD's fear of hanging on all alone, if his atty. was cutting the cord. moo
     
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    With you on testing the system. I'm concerned that yesterday the system might have failed and allowed Fd the time to make an attempt on his life.


    I keep going through the timeline of yesterday and so far as I can tell the only people apparently NOT looking for Fd at Noon in Stamford were Atty Colangelo and CSP. Why?


    I know if I were Judge White I would be incendiary and ditto for Atty Colangelo. Yet, it wasn't the tracking people that apparently alerted on Fd not being where he was supposed to be yesterday IMO based on the reporting we saw yesterday. Why?


    Maybe we don't have the full story but I do hope Judge White investigates what is going on the with monitoring as I'm not convinced that Judge Blawie and Atty Colangelo resolved the monitoring situation following the previous Fd 'detour' into Westchester County.


    Yesterday we saw the bail person most likely make the call to Farmington PD for the wellness check at 11:54am and then we have Atty Smith in Stamford getting concerned that his client was nowhere to be seen at 12:15pm. Atty Smith was baffled to not see his client in Stamford IMO.


    Monitoring folks had to have approved the departure from 4Jx to Stamford and so with real time tracking would have been alerted that Fd had left 4Jx (house arrest zone established by Judge Blawie). Fd NEVER left 4Jx yesterday (except by ambulance) and so I wonder where the monitoring people were and why CSP weren't on top of the Fd movements yesterday?

    Clearly the results of not being on top of the bracelet situation IMO speak for themselves and have been played out now for nearly 24 hrs. with continual media coverage.


    The travel time from Farmington was known and the location of Fd and time he was due in Stamford IMO was also known. Yet why did it appear that nobody knew that Fd didn't depart 4Jx in time to make it to Stamford yesterday? Real time tracking capabilities exist with the bracelet and that was how it was able to be determined that Fd had never left 4Jx. But what is the point of having the technology with the bracelet if its not being utilised properly to track a person accused of murder who has a vested interest IMO of flight?


    What I wonder also is if nobody on the monitoring side was watching Fd yesterday to make sure he left 4Jx as scheduled, who is to say that at somewhere between 10 (possibly when the person staying with him left 4Jx) and 10:30 am (when he got phone call from the Hartford bail person) instead of trying to commit suicide he simply got in his car and went to the local airfield and got in a plane and simply headed north or for parts unknown. Fd yesterday IMO could have escaped and had at least a 1.5-2 hr jump on LE and it appears that CSP and Atty Colangelo would never have known.


    Yesterday was interesting because there was a fixed time where many people were looking for Fd (he was supposed to be in Court for his hearing at noon). Whats also interesting is that Fd had to get approval to leave 4Jx and drive to Stamford and be there for a period of time (assume 1.5 hrs on the road). This put Fd on the roads in CT and if he had gotten in his car yesterday and based on what it seems like might be going on with the monitoring, I'm not at all sure he couldn't have also driven in a totally different direction for a good long time before someone figured out what was going on and attempted to find him?


    I find this quite disturbing and I have to say that I don't have much confidence in what we are seeing regarding the bracelet monitoring! The tech on the bracelets is quite clear and we have discussed them endlessly here on WS. But if nobody is watching then what is the point of the bracelets?


    I hope Judge White or someone in Hartford or Stamford tracking this case investigates what happened yesterday and how so much time was allowed to Fd without apparent supervision and not following his prearranged travel plan without seeing CSP showing up at 4JX. IMO CSP should have been at 4jx if there was no alert that Fd had left 4Jx by 10:30am. Instead, we saw Farmington PD scrambling to enter 4Jx shortly after 12:00pm.


    Not sure what is going on but little about this timeline and tracking makes much sense to me. The Judge released Fd with very serious charges and took it for granted that he was being monitored. Now, it appears that this might not have happened in the way that the Judge expected.


    Hartford I think we just might have a problem here!!!!!!!

    PS. Has the location of MT been confirmed since we saw what happened yesterday?



    MOO
     
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    Yeah, I would have taken him for a clean noose kinda guy.
     
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    Finally a lil late but finally, if fd is in as bad of shape like reported on life support etc it really doesn’t matter he is not leaving the hospital.
     
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    So I kept thinking and thinking last night… I truly think FD meant to take his own life… He had this plan in his head with a goal to execute it if it became necessary. I don’t think he was playing around yesterday for attention or drama. Some of the things that made me come to that conclusion are as follows:

    1. He answered phone call around 10:30 AM (can’t remember exact time) and was out of breath. He stated that everything was set and gave no indication that anything was wrong (as far as we know). Rapid breathing and shortness of breath are symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning. He was in the process, I think. IMO, he just wanted people off his back. If he would have not answered the phone call, it may have caused concern and let to someone checking on him. He didn’t call/text someone to say “Hey, I am getting ready to kill myself”… which we see commonly in suicide attempts that are a “cry for help”.



    2. As far as we know, he has no history of suicide attempts. We don’t know of any gestures/attempts during this investigation and life had become increasingly more stressful for him (due to his own decisions and deeds, of course). I think we would have seen suicidal gestures/attempts prior to yesterday, if he had a tendency towards acting in this way.



    3. This was a fairly lethal attempt… Death can result from only a few minutes of exposure to higher concentrations of carbon monoxide or from an hour of exposure to lower levels. We know from research that narcissists attempt less, but when they attempt is less impulsive and more lethal.


    Of course, there is a lot we don’t know, e.g., woman/girlfriend – What was she doing?, How long was she expected to be gone? etc. etc. etc. Overall, I believe, we have much more evidence that FD meant to complete and that this was not just a “cry for help”.

    I found this information interesting:

    In contrast to the certainty of using a firearm, each year thousands of people deliberately inhale carbon monoxide (CO) in order to end their lives, usually via the exhaust fumes from their own cars while sitting at home in their own garage. For example, out of all of the fatal CO poisonings in Utah between 1996 and 2013, 70% were due to suicides. The incidence of successful CO-induced suicide has actually declined due to strict federal CO emissions standards for motor vehicles following the Clean Air Act of 1970 and the widespread presence of catalytic converters. One recent study examined the CO levels in a standard size garage after 20 minutes. The CO level was 253 PPM for a car without a catalytic converter and 30 PPM for the car equipped with one. Emissions controls on automobiles have thus significantly reduced the success rates of CO related suicides. Subsequently, although thousands of people every year attempt suicide by this widely familiar method, a greater percentage of them survive the attempt.

    I just think that FD had limited means and liked the idea of falling asleep and not waking up…

    Resources:

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/carbon-monoxide-poisoning-a-to-z

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-brain-food/201705/how-suicide-attempt-can-affect-the-brain
     
  10. Chloe_ee

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    yes absolutely... they could keep him alive for years. Selling interviews and books and .. ugh.
     
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    Okay, does anyone know who is in control of FD’s medical care/decisions right now? For example, if he had a “living will”, could that person decide to “pull the plug” now and end FD’s life and his involvement in this case or does LE have any power to prevent that from happening?
     
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    Hopefully he left a note. If he had one ounce of decency in him, he’d reveal where JD can be found.
     
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    I’m not sure.
    Since his next of kin are minors
    It should be his sister
     
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    Fotis Dulos in Critical Condition in NYC Hospital ICU After Suicide Attempt I think that physicians are waiting for his family to gather from Greece for a decision to be made to remove life support. I have worked all my life with brain injured people, near drownings, and other oxygen deprived conditions and I honestly cannot see how he did not suffer massive brain damage from this.
     
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    @MollyDDD, your avatars continue to inspire avatar envy! Miss the devil though so hope he makes a return appearance!

    Yesterday one of the many folks interviewed thought that if Fd recovers that he would go here for psychiatric evaluation and monitoring. Its unclear if there is room at this facility as it supposedly operates at close to capacity. Perhaps we will see this all discussed today as I think Fd days of 'house arrest' are done and today we get to see if Judge White will follow through on his prior statements about bond violations (technically yesterday I believe Fd did violate his bond as he was supposed to be driving himself to Stamford and chose do instead try to kill himself!):

    Whiting Forensic Hospital
     
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    No he didn't know the night before. Colangelo was notified of the emergency bond hearing at 8:30am on the 28th and then called Norm Pattis around 9 am. I think we can safely say that NP probably hung up with Colangelo and immediately called FD. So IMO, FD only found out about this issue probably no later than 9:30am... In which, he would have a small window of opportunity to get himself all prettied up for court and then drive (on his own - SMDH) the 1.5 hours or so that it takes to get to Stamford. By 10:30-10:45, someone should have been asking if he left yet and his boss monitor would be the easiest way to find out.... Somewhere there was a disconnect... Once he failed to leave 4JX in a timely manner to arrive in Stamford, a well-being check should have been called in. Which I guess is possibly what the mystery woman was handling.... Maybe she didn't know he was committing suicide BUT knew something wasn't right... Maybe when she left at 11:28, she was headed to Farmington PD to get a police escort... I have no idea. Until we learn more about this woman and her actions and movements yesterday, my theories are all over the place. With all that said, I guess he could have begun the suicide process anytime from 10:34 am to 11:54am... But I truly believe he didn't start until the woman left at 11:28am....
     
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    Fox reported that family members where flying in from Greece, I can’t imagine they would turn to his eldest child to make the decisions

    It’s anyone’s guess if he had a living will, perhaps with the divorce in process he did
     
  19. MsBetsy

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    No, of course I have not see it myself but I have yet to follow a case that investigators turned out to have been lying about the evidence.
    In fact in just about every case it has turned out that they had much more incriminating evidence then we knew.

    Have you seen any evidence that Jennifer is still alive as Fotis claimed?
     
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    I think you hit the nail on the head.

    jmo
     
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