Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

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  1. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    The wording in the warrant gives me some discomfort, but I am bearing in mind that the statement is for probable cause and not for trial itself, where I would expect the ME to give evidence.
     
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  2. MollyDDD

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    I pray he does come clean. With FD taking the easy way out and MT being the tight lipped “female dog” that she is, Kent could put the pieces together and perhaps JD’s family can move on through the grieving process.
     
  3. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    But it wasn't dripping from the surfaces was it? SW and AW mention signs of pooling, that was obvious to attending officers and I merely wondered how obvious it was seeing as LA did not see it.
     
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  4. bubby girl

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    And LA could have been thinking that JD ended up taking the suburban..
     
  5. enelram

    enelram STAY HOME-CONTAIN THE VIRUS

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    And to continue on my previous post about Michelle Troconis and
    her handling of the body bags and disposal around
    Middle St., Bristol, I'll go a step further and suggest that the reason KM is so quiet and protective of FD is because his job as FD's
    Male Crime Assistant was to dispose of the remaining body parts by using his boat and
    taking them to some large lake or reservoir
    in Ma. or out off shore in Ct.
    So, IMO, Michelle Troconis and Kent Malwhinney both helped dispose of the body.
    And because they're both so complicit, neither
    really wants to come clean because of the grue
    someness of their deeds.
    Both are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
     
  6. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    You called me a troll? Really? I appreciate that you and others have been following this case since the beginning, but that does not mean that you cannot afford some civility to new comers. We all have different ways to analyse information. Because I don't see things the way you do, does not mean I am a troll. I have read and re-read the SW (yes all 400 plus pages of them) and all AW's and I simply do not see that MT is involved in the murder of Jennifer on the basis of the evidence contained in those warrants. You have stated in your posts that you think (in your opinion) that MT was there, despite there being no evidence released or charges bought to support your opinion. Do you not think that if LE had evidence that shows MT was anywhere near New Canaan, they would have charged her with Murder or being an Accessory?
    Do I post negatively about your opinions? No, I do not.

    Edited for typo
     
  7. BellaVita

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    Ex#12 - interior and exterior doorknobs with bloodlike stains (KM+) and latenUpatent prints (CA fumed)

    Ex#13 - one (1) used paper towel roll with bloodlike stains (KM+)

    Ex#14 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+) ·

    Ex#15 - two (2) swabs of blood like stain (KM+)


    Ex#35 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain G19 (KM+)

    Ex#36 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain G20 (KM+)

    Ex#37 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain C2 (KM+)

    Ex#38- two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain 83 (KM+)

    Ex#39 - two (2) swabs of blood like stain B 11 (KM+)

    Ex#40 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain A 15 (KM+)

    Ex#41 - two (2) swabs of blood like stain A 18 (KM+)

    Ex#42 - fragment of paper towel with bloodlike stains

    Ex#43 - fragment of paper towel with bloodlike stains

    Ex#44 - fragment of paper towel with bloodlike stains

    Ex#45 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#46 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#47 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM-)

    Ex#48 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#49 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM- )

    Ex#50 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM- )

    Ex#51 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#52 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM-)

    Ex#53 - two (2) swabs of blood like stain (KM+)


    Ex#59 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#60 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#61 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#62 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#63 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#64 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#65 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#66 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#67 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Ex#68 - fragments of paper towel(s) with bloodlike stains
    Ex#78 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)


    Ex#79 - two (2) swabs of bloodlike stain (KM+)

    Above is evidence of blood taken from WL.
    Don't forget, 10 rolls of missing paper towels.
     
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    I just completed another pass at all the AWs/SWs and found myself increasingly intrigued by the activity on 5/23. Figured I'd share the timeline I've started compiling to help clarify the movements of FD, MT, and especially KM on 5/23. I've also bolded some questions I'm hoping you excellent sleuthers might be able to help answer...

    4:51 PM - FD's Ford Raptor drives north on Ely Rd towards 4JX (Eli Rd surveillance just south of 4JX)
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    4:54 PM - PG's Toyota Tacoma followed by FD's Ford Raptor drive south on Ely Rd from 4JX toward 80 MS
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    *If FD driving one vehicle, who is driving the second? MT? KM? (We don't know where PG was working on 5/23, but my guess is he was at 61 Sturbridge and not driving his car to 80 MS).

    4:57 PM - Tacoma and Ford Raptor pull into 80 MS
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    5:01 PM - Ford Raptor leaves 80 MS
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    *Tacoma stays at 80 MS, so two people must be in the Raptor, right?

    5:04 PM - Ely Rd surveillance shows the Ford Raptor traveling northbound towards 4JX
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    5:10 PM - Ford Raptor located at 4JX, gear shifted into “drive”
    Source: OnStar module, FD AW3

    *Shouldn’t this be “park”? Or did FD go somewhere else in the Raptor immediately following his arrival at 4JX? Dropping MT off so she could prepare for the evening’s party with the Haines’ while he finished up prep with KM?

    5:21, 5:23 PM - KW's phone pings at 4JX
    Source: KM cell/residential surveillance, KM AW

    *From AW: “These times coincide with the time at which Dulos left his dinner party guests on the night before Jennifer’s disappearance to drive to Stop & Shop in Simsbury because he needed more meat to cook. Prior to his device traveling to the area of Stop & Shop, Dulos’ device traveled to the area of 80 Mountain Spring Road. Residential surveillance confirmed Dulos drove onto the property of 80 Mountain Spring Road, remaining there for approximately seven minutes.”

    **KM arrives at 4JX. KM/FD travel together from 4JX to 80 MS (either in their respective cars or in one car, AW unclear) -- FD leaves dinner party and MT stays behind? The “getting more meat” excuse is obviously a cover, but for what? Does this interaction feel last-minute/unplanned to anyone else?

    5:32 PM - FD's Chevy Suburban travels south on Ely Rd (leaving 4JX, headed to 80 MS)
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    **A note about FD's 2015 Chevy Suburban: when this car is described on surveillance footage coming/going from 80 MS on 5/24, the AW clearly notes a Thule rack on the top of the car. The AW does NOT mention this Thule when describing this car's movements on 5/23. The significance of this really depends on how exacting LE is being with their language (and TBH, the many typos/errors in the AWs/SWs does not fill me with confidence), but if the varying description is intentional, it implies the Thule was attached to the Chevy Suburban sometime after the return to 4JX the evening of 5/23 and before the 1:36 PM arrival at 80 MS on 5/24. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen a Thule on any evidence lists. Where is the Thule and what was it used for?

    5:33 PM - FD calls KM
    Source: FD phone records, FD AW3

    *Call takes place just as they’re leaving 4JX-- coordinating something? Location? Again, something about this whole interaction feels impulsive and unplanned.

    5:35 PM - FD’s Chevy Suburban pulls into 80 MS
    Source: Residential surveillance, FD AW3

    5:41 PM - FD’s Chevy Suburban leaves 80 MS
    Source: Residential Surveillance, FD AW3

    *FD/KM at 80 MS for 6-7 minutes. That's a short amount of time to do anything major, so was this a conversation? FD setting KM up to spend the night there? Hand-off of something (missing Glock, burner phone for the next day)?

    ?? - FD’s phone travels from 80 MS to Simsbury Stop and Shop
    Source: KM AW

    **And, assumedly, back to 4JX after**

    9:53-10:23 PM - CTD: 4JX
    Source: SW

    ~10:00 PM - FD's cell phone arrives at 4JX and stays here until 1:16 PM on 5/24
    Source: Celebrite download of FD’s handset, SW

    *Where did FD/FD’s cell go prior to the 10:00 PM return to 4JX? He must have returned from S&S sooner than 10:00 PM with the meat. So then he goes out again after and returns at 10 PM? What is he doing?

    10:10-10:40 PM - CTD: 585 Middle Rd, Farmington
    Source: SW

    **What’s of significance in the surrounding area? The exact location of 585 Middle Rd is the parking lot of a Dementia Care Facility located on 45 South Rd, but there are several nearby residences on Middle Rd that would be covered by this CTD -- could be nothing/could be something, but one of these residencies serves as the “home business” of a local roofer/landscaper.

    **Since FD’s phone stays at 4JX, this CTD is either for: MT or KM. Or maybe another phone of FD's? Who do you think? (My guess is KM.)



    ^^ as indicated, the majority of this is from the AWs/SWs, but all questions/theorizing is MOO.
     
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  9. MollyDDD

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    I pray he does come clean. With FD taking the easy way out and MT being the tight lipped “female dog” that she is, Kent could put the pieces together and perhaps JD’s family can move on through the grieving process.
    Not to mention the recent purchase of the 12 pack of paper towel rolls.
     
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    i guess you don’t want to take it in the spirit it was meant, as afitzy stated...the previous 46 threads is a lot to read and view all attachments too..
     
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    enelram STAY HOME-CONTAIN THE VIRUS

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    But all the new trollish posters think we don't recognize why they're here? We know.
    It's so obvious it's actually funny.
     
  12. Jmoose

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    I think maybe BellaVita meant that the police were looking for it, and so because they knew there was a problem, and they are experienced at spotting such things, they easily found it. At least, that is how I read it. I mean, some effort (10 rolls of paper towels worth of effort) was used in the process of cleaning up blood, so I think it wasn’t immediately obvious to someone who wasn’t looking for any sign of trouble, wasn’t experienced at seeing it, and who was preoccupied with 4 lively children and the process of getting them into NYC on time without the proper vehicle.
     
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    Fascinating theory.
    I hope LE would have arrived at this possible reason for the ping as well, once they did their due diligence on her work history, not a far reach.
    Good detective work, let's see if anyone can add to this theory.....
     
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    RSBM: Thank you for putting this together. I'll address this 1st part.
    I believe PG was driving the Raptor back from Sturbridge at 4:51 and that FD was driving the Toyota at 4:54. Yes, they were going in opposite directions. I think it's likely that FD called/texted PG and told PG that he wanted to drop the Toyota at MS and needed a ride back to 4JC. At 5:10 the Raptor shifted into drive at 4JC and PG went home for the evening. Up until this point, it is all FD and PG, IMO.

    Interesting info from AW about the Toyota situation:
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    ALSO:
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    Directing PG not to stop at 4JC in the morning when that was usually not done anyway. FD wanted to make sure PG would not find out that he wasn't home. Told him, meeting with lawyer.
    ALIBI, baby!
     
  15. Jmoose

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    Dear Nikynoo-MT did not need to be in New Canaan to be guilty of conspiracy in a murder case. The fact that they have not dropped the case against her after the suicide of Fotis Dulos tells me that they do have evidence which shows that they have charged her appropriately. Especially since now that he is dead, and she still hasn’t told what she knows (a little, if she was merely an accessory after the fact, as we know she was, or a lot if she actively helped plan). She knows at least something, because she was present for the tossing away of evidence and cleaning blood covered vehicles...and still hasn’t said one word. Why is that? She is really, really rolling the dice that she won’t be convicted.
     
  16. Ruminations

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    Not everything is worth picking apart. It is anti-progress.

    I don’t see any reasonable grounds for doubting the ME, especially in light of there being no affirmative evidence to the contrary. LA, expecting an afternoon moving kids around and looking into a dark cave compared to outdoors, didn’t see the bloodbath that was apparent in the evening to LE eyes with LE tools and expecting there could be foul play.

    That is not only not affirmative, it is not even a very effective negative jab into the ME theory. If the ME put a decimal in a wrong place, or seemed to use the wrong information, or used outdated medical assumptions, that might put a good, negative jab in the MEopinion. We don’t have the report yet. Nor do team Fotis’ attorneys either, as far as I know. When they get it, they can ask their experts.

    But once again, why would we care about the taking down reasonable evidence? It is not a way to follow leads to theories.

    We are trying to sleuth. We use all reasonable information to build theories upon. We don’t come up with whacky reasons to doubt reasonable information.

    It’s not about you personally at all. It is about the goals and purpose of hanging here at Websleuths. Your approach is negative and raising doubts about reasonable data in the absence of an affirmative reason. It is not sleuthing, it’s taking stuff apart.

    This sounds far-fetched, because it is, but this would be affirmative.

    Fiction:
    “MSM is reporting a secret underground cash only outpatient surgery and trauma center accessible by trap door from Waveny Park.”
    (Link to fictional article)

    If you posted that, there would be an affirmative reason to begin to consider that Jennifer is not dead.

    You stated you are not involved with criminal law, but if you wanted to problem out how to defend this case, that would probably be very interesting to some. That would be a different site. “Accused murderer defenders discussion.” I would enjoy reading it and learning. If it doesn’t exist you can use the idea, no charge.
     
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  17. MollyDDD

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    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::hugs::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    Scroll & Roll. :cool:
     
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    Thank you so much for bringing this timeline of events front and center. This game of musical chairs by FD and his co-conspirator(s) with the multiple vehicles not to mention the back and forth cell phone pings of MT and KM before and after the crime point to one thing and one thing only— the direct involvement of both MT and KM. Guaranteed that LE has much much more than we saw in the AWs. KM was arrested at GUNPOINT while fleeing from LE near Tolland CT. MT repeatedly LIED about FD whereabouts the morning of the crime. Etc etc etc.
     
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    Jmoose said:
    What makes you think that it is unlikely the ponchos were worn to commit the murder?


    also the aw said jd Dna only was found on the ponchos.i don’t recall mention of blood?(correct me if I’m wrong) if they were used for the attack or dismemberment you would expect there to be blood on the ponchos. Moo
     
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    What is making the ponchos such a big deal?

    If the poncho is from a New Canaan camping kit, you must acquit!
     
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