Discussion in 'Missing Persons Discussion' started by doodles1211, May 26, 2019.
KW's FB cover photo is him steering a boat with presumably his son.
I think MT's daughter WAS listed on the court order banning physical contact with the children during visitation, which apparently was not enough to deter possibly other types of contact, if read literally. So that is how I got stuck on cellphones. MOO.
From 5/27/19 search warrant, page 6 and 7 of 11 pages of warrant requesting search of AT+T Wireless database (address: 600 North Palm Beach, FL 22408) for 305-331-5232 Call Detail Records for the period 3-20-2019 to date of warrant:
#18. That on May 25, 2019, and at about 8:30PM, search and seizure warrants were signed by Superior Court Judge J. Lee for cellular telephone records, subscriber and other information related to the account of Fotis Dulos. They were sent to cellular carrier AT+T Wireless.
#20. That Michelle Troconis is also involved in the court proceedings involving custody of the Dulos children. The court specifically prohibited Fotis Dulos to permit, "Ms. Troconis and/or her daughter Nicole to be in the vicinity of the children at any time before, during, or after his supervised parenting time".
Hmmm. Under normal circumstances, you would think that it was kind of extreme to ban a 13 year old from being in the vicinity of another 13 year old but NOT IN THIS CASE, THE BAN DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, MOO.
For further reference: My list of Fd's cellphones (4 different numbers) from the SW:
October 2, 2019 search warrant for Comcast records of 860-321-7691 for May 2018 to October 2, 2019 voicemails apparently left for Fotis Dulos. PayPal called someone's little used residential number (by her bed) who now has Fd's old telephone number.
From May 27, 2019 search warrant: Fd texting LA from 203-918-4877 right after Apple iPhone model X was seized on May 25, 2019.
NCPD seized handset for Apple iPhone model X AT+T 860-478-8625 on May 25, 2019.
Cell 203-434-3297 from warrant 5-27-19
#19 That on May 26, 2019, and at about 12:00PM, the requested cellular information was returned by AT+T Wireless. In the subscriber and user account information section, another cellular telephone number was documented as belonging to Fotis Dulos: 203-434-3297.
IMO, as a followup, LE believed that an accomplice, unfamiliar with New Canaan, was looking for JFd's Suburban near Waveny on May 24, 2019 before 11 AM, possibly to remove the body from a Suburban left with its lights on, keys in ignition, left in Reverse and with an iPhone cellphone in a red case with GPS possibly on inside:
Search warrant signed on 5/29/19 for someone using Google and Waze:
#15. That with evidence pointing to a possible accomplice, the area of Lapham Rd. and Waveny Park is in a residential area of New Canaan with few houses nearby and makes it likely that someone unfamiliar with the area would utilize a mapping application in order to navigate the area.
#16. That Google Maps is a very popular mapping/navigation application which is pre-installed on many smart phones.
#17. That the affiants believe that obtaining any and all Google Maps records from May 24, 2019, beginning at 0500 hours through 1100 hours on May 24, 2019, for all searches for directions to and from Waveny Park, New Canaan, CT, 06840, will assist investigators in identifying a possible suspect.
At the very bottom of the 400+ pages of SW, it looks like more iPhones were found at 69 Welles. Were the children forbidden from bringing them into the school and so they were to be left at home with their other devices? Some folks who live in New Canaan (back then, maybe not now) would express surprise at the belief that leaving a 2017 Suburban at Waveny, lights on, would attract a joy rider and that a visible iPhone 7 would be enticing booty. I suppose Fd could have been careful enough to pick up an iPhone at 69 Welles just to leave behind for thieves. Or, as suggested, most people with kids have messy cars and a cellphone could have rolled under the seats. I guess I really want to know the story because it doesn't make sense to me if the iPhone 7 in red case was a working cellphone and JFd didn't use it herself. See SW dated 05/28/2019 signed 06/13/2019 by CSP of items found in JFd Suburban: Ex#117 - one (1) iPhone model A1778 in red colored case.
Source of SW: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11ea-8277-7318c2983cb5/5e1f2fcf017da.pdf.pdf
Jennifer Dulos hesitated at times as she described to a family court judge the series of events that led to her flight with her five children from the Farmington home she shared with her husband in June 2017.
But there was one defining moment that was clear to her.
It occurred a few weeks before she filed for divorce when her husband, Fotis Dulos, threatened to take their children and “disappear,” according to court transcripts of the first hearing in what became an acrimonious divorce that spanned two years and included more than 400 filingsleading up to her disappearance last May 24.
“I knew in that moment when he made that threat, I knew I had to get us out of there,” she testified of a tense scene overheard by the family nanny in their Farmington kitchen on May 30, 2017. “And I knew I needed a safe place for my children and I needed to find an attorney...”
Domestic violence advocates say court officials failed to recognize Fotis Dulos’ alleged abusive behavior and designated the case as “high conflict” instead of domestic violence.
“It should have been handled differently,” said Karen Jarmoc, executive director for the Connecticut Coalition Against Domestic Violence. “There should be a better understanding by judges around offender behaviors. There should be repercussions for violating court orders. If anything, the family court is empowering the offender.”
CCADV is now seeking legislation that would require drafting a “benchbook” that would be used as a guide for judges, court officials and attorneys to identify the nuances, including controlling and harassing behaviors that differentiate “high conflict” and domestic violence divorces...
The benchbook would give judges a “better understanding” of the nuances between the two, she said.
“Family Services has to be impartial, but clearly these behaviors are so evident,” Jarmoc said. “This is not new. There is a very blanket refusal by the Judicial Branch to shift or change their practices and people are dying because of it.”
Jarmoc contends that Judicial Branch officials are opposed to the idea and will likely buck any attempt to utilize the proposed benchbook, which would be drafted by a multi-disciplinary committee.“Judicial has informed us that they would be completely opposed,” Jarmoc said.
Judicial Branch officials, including judges who handle family cases or court administrative matters, have declined to discuss any aspect of the Dulos case, citing the pending criminal charges against Fotis Dulos, his former girlfriend Michelle Troconis and his former civil attorney Kent Mawhinney, and also the gag order barring case participants from discussing evidence or the character of victims and witnesses...
Judges already have access to an electronic binder that is considered the benchbook for all types of domestic violence-related proceedings, including criminal, civil and divorce and custody matters, the judge said.
Judges and other court staff also have annual training in domestic violence by “nationally recognized” leaders in the field, Bozzuto said.
The new system, based on the National Center for State Court’s Family Justice Initiative, will identify complex cases quickly and make them more judge-driven rather than steered by a litigant or attorney, Bozzuto said.
‘He didn’t care what the neighbors heard’
In the Dulos case, the issue of potential domestic violence surfaced almost immediately.
According to transcripts from the hearing on Jennifer Dulos’ custody and abuse request in June 2017, the New Canaan mother told the judge several times that she was afraid of her husband. She said they discussed separating for months leading up to her decision to flee with the children and file for divorce and a restraining order, according to the court transcripts.
Jennifer Dulos told the judge her husband presented her on May 30, 2017 with a custody schedule that indicated he wanted the children throughout the summer, including weekends “except that I could have one weekend a month” and two full weeks, according to the transcript.
“I said this is too much, I don’t think I can agree to all this and we moved into the living room and he became enraged with me, that I wasn’t just going to agree to all of this,” she testified.
Fotis Dulos threatened to take the children “and disappear” while yelling about six inches from her face, she testified. Jennifer Dulos ran out of the house and down the street with him chasing her, and saying “he didn’t care what the neighbors heard,” she testified.
When they returned home, Fotis Dulos fished the pieces of the agreement that he had ripped up out of the garbage and told her to tape them together, Jennifer Dulos testified. It was in that moment, Jennifer Dulos testified, that she knew she had to escape and hire an attorney. The couple’s longtime nanny, Lauren Almeida, testified during the hearing that she overheard the incident.
In July 2017, Stamford family court Judge Thomas Colin denied Jennifer Dulos’ request for emergency custody and relief from abuse after considering the hours of testimony that included her estranged husband’s attorney, Alan Rome, asking if his client ever hit her. She said he didn’t. Colin also denied Jennifer Dulos’ request to require her husband to undergo a psychological evaluation.
“She was clearly voicing fear in court and it fell on deaf ears,” Jarmoc said. “It was the argument, ‘well she’s emotional, she’s using this.’ That’s what these types of attorneys use in these cases.”
According to Rome, Stamford Family Services based its risk assessment report on the restraining order on “about five minutes” of discussion with his client.
The judge acknowledged in his July 25, 2017 order that emotions were raw between the couple and that Jennifer Dulos perceived her husband to be “controlling and aggressive.” Colin said arguments between the couple occurred when Fotis Dulos felt he could “no longer control the situation and unilaterally dictate its outcome.”
Colin denied Jennifer Dulos’ request for an emergency order of custody, saying she hadn’t proved “that there is an immediate and present risk of physical danger or psychological harm to the parties’ children.”
He encouraged the couple to work together through their attorneys to resolve the custody issues.
“The court is hopeful that once things settle down and cooler heads prevail, these extremely well educated and accomplished parents will be able to reach an agreement” on custody and child-rearing issues, Colin said.
‘They didn’t stop it’
But that didn’t happen, according to court transcripts and dozens of motions filed by both parties in the months that followed. The couple briefly agreed on a parenting plan with few restrictions in November 2017. But a few weeks later, on the advice of her new attorney, Jennifer Dulos filed for the temporary parenting plan to be thrown out because she felt she had been “sold a bill of goods” that the agreement was “a good deal.”
The legal maneuvering led to requests for required therapy for Fotis Dulos and court-ordered supervised visitation with his children based on a separate judge’s findings that he had repeatedly defied court orders and encouraged the children to lie about their contact with Troconis and her daughter.
More than eight months had passed by the time a second judge — a total of five presided at some point over the case — ordered the family evaluated and receive services to help move their lives forward while maintaining two separate households.
Detailed notes of each visit made with the court-ordered supervisor indicated the children frequently asked their father for more time together and about Troconis and her daughter whom they had spent time with before he was ordered to stop the practice.
Each time, the monitor ordered Fotis Dulos to redirect their attention to avoid discussing the pending divorce and custody arrangements.
The notes reveal the children would often vie for the honor of sitting next to their father while at restaurants, requiring a shift every 15 minutes so each could get a chance. They often embraced in a group hug when the supervised meetings occurred about once a month, even as the underlying tension and the motions for contempt between their parents continued.
The vicious cycle of repeated court filings and lack of acknowledgment that the litigation could be a red flag for domestic violence is a problem that hundreds of victims face annually, Jarmoc said.
“The Dulos case is a very real example of the challenges faced by victims and court staff when dealing with the nuances of domestic violence during custody and divorce,” she said.
The difference between the Dulos case and others is that the participants had access to money, which fueled attorneys on both sides to repeatedly file contentious motions that kept the case going far too long, Jarmoc said. By the time Jennifer Dulos disappeared in 2019, custody and children support issues still hadn’t been resolved, court records show.
“The court didn’t put their foot down and say, ‘enough is enough,’ they didn’t do that,” Jarmoc said. “Family court definitely played a role in this, they didn’t stop it.”
Advocate: Knowing signs of domestic abuse critical in divorce cases like Dulos
Horrifying, but far, far from unfathomable. MOO too...
Well, it is understandable if you consider that she is probably fully invested in this crime. If she was an innocent victim of Fd’s murderous charm, she would have told them something helpful by now, because there is no good reason to withhold unless she was afraid it would incriminate her. It is possible that she doesn’t know where Jennifer’s body is, or was-but she knew by Friday night 5/24 that Jennifer had been murdered. She had plenty of time to tell the authorities, but she didn’t. Better to be a woman who helped her man clean up the aftermath, than a co-conspirator in a murder, yes? So instead of taking on the limited role of the former, she is now the latter. Why would she allow this? Because she IS the latter.
I agree 100%.
Brilliant observation. It's one of those "Why didn't I see that before?!" realizations that just hits you.
And it has a similarity with another case here on WS: Lori Vallow/Joshua and Tylee (missing children).**
If she were not fully conspiring in the crime (even to the point where she helped mastermind it or fully planned it herself, and had Fd carry it out), she would have said where Jennifer's body was and exactly what happened to it. She would have spoken up when Fd was still alive, but - if he had something on her (or they had something big on each other), to keep her quiet, as I had suspected - that excuse is now gone.
She has not cooperated AT ALL. She's been manipulative and dishonest, as she likely has been all her life. But her non-cooperation proves her major involvement in this case - not as a bit player, but as a planner.
**Re the Vallow case: Many hold out hope that the children are alive. But one of the long-term posters, a verified lawyer, pointed out yesterday that if they were still alive, she'd have spoken up and said where they were, instead of not cooperating. Then she would not be in any major trouble at all.
So sorry about losing your sister, and at such a young age, @BellaVita .
I do agree that by the time you're a young adults nature and nurture have cast the mold. We can (and should) try to be the best version of ourselves, but for those who lack basic empathy and just plain don't understand or respect the difference between right and wrong, the ceiling is sadly low.
Juxtaposing sections from the beginning and end of today’s Part III Air Mail story below (part IV coming next Saturday at 6am). Because it is still irking me.
sds71 already posted sections about MT earlier today which I vented about in an earlier post.
Here you can see how FD is made out as the victim, hoping his divorce could be handled amicably, driven back to his “familiar fishing hole” where he caught MT (the author imagines it might have been the same fishing hole where he reencountered JD, Aspen airport) because he had a wife and 5 kids in a big house in CT. Or maybe, according to the author, it was the employees and cars, you know, the Raptor, all those serial Suburbans? And that untrustworthy PG/EE who would rat on him several years into the future when he spilled “coffee” on his truck seat. Yeah, life was bad for FD so no wonder he went off to the “green sea of resort life where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools” to find some fun AKA MT (apparently the author got a glimpse of MT flashing a smile going in to court that demonstrated to him how much fun MT could have offered FD. The author puts that observation in there too.)
And then, after a couple years at least of hanging with the rich and eligible and recently divorced, suddenly FD was losing it all- you know, all that bad stuff that had driven him away in the first place? His wife, kids, the CT life, his business? And, he “had to pay all kinds of fees”-lawyers, psychiatrists, social workers. Dang, he just wanted an amicable divorce is all. And GF was suing him over money she and HF had lent him to buy a house. “Here was a man known to erupt that was being pressured from every side.” Tsk tsk. No wonder your daughter disappeared.
Eagerly await Part IV. In the meantime, here’s how the article is framed:
Murder in Fairfield County
Fotis Dulos hoped his divorce from Jennifer could be handled amicably. Instead, it was one of the most litigious in Connecticut’s history
Fotis was nearly 50 when he met Troconis, a dangerous age for a certain kind of man. To paraphrase T. S. Eliot, he had seen the moment of his greatness flicker, had seen the eternal Footman hold his coat and snicker. Was it his wife in Connecticut, the five kids, the house, the business and debt, the employees, cars, and trucks that sent him back to this familiar fishing hole, this green sea of resort life, where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools?
In short, Fotis was losing on every front. He was losing his wife, his kids, his business. He had to pay all kinds of fees—lawyers, social workers, psychiatrists. The debt, which accumulated day after day, was pushing him toward insolvency. Gloria Farber, who with her now deceased husband, Hilliard, had loaned Fotis millions over the years, was suing for the repayment of one particular loan, $1.5 million the Farbers had fronted their son-in-law so he could buy a house, which he renovated and put back on the market. Even after it was sold, Fotis only repaid a fraction of the loan (he claimed these were gifts). By the spring of 2019 he owed more than $4 million to banks and mortgage companies.
Here was a man, known to erupt when pressed and pressured, being pressed and pressured from every side.
Just bringing this post forward, I agree. Years ago I was contacted by our local university law class to participate in a "experiment" if you will on how much we observe as a witness.
We were shown brief clips of crimes, evidence, possible criminals, then asked to recall what we observed. None of us could identify all the key notes of evidence. Even being told what we should look for, none of us got 100% right. To me that was a very telling lesson, even though you look at something, you don't see it.
That's why circumstantial evidence is at least as strong if not stronger than eyewitness testimony/direct evidence. The traffic cameras, the dna and fingerprint evidence, and the cell phone data don't lie.
This evidence records events in real time to be evaluated by real jurors. False memory is not a result of circumstantial evidence. The case against Fd, MT, and KM is strong because of the incredible work by the CSP and all the other LE agencies involved. Rational, unbiased jurors will get this right, IMO...MOO
I would be very surprised if someone with JD’s wealth would still be using an iPhone 7 since it is such an old model. This would be much more likely to be one of the kids phones, especially in New Canaan where most people have the latest model of everything
LOL- My kids are right-I am a blind boomer with fat thumbs. It's too late to edit.
I meant "bit player" not "but player"
This is what I am trying to understand.
How can she be a vapid emotionless shell with no apparent understanding that 5 kids lost their mother and father, think that it's okay that "the body at some point was in there," as long as "I was not cleaning Jennifer," be the driving force?
I know she trash talks, but that does not make a person all that.
please don't interpret this question as diverting from her responsibility. I already think there is enough info out there to convince me she conspired in murder by CT standards. What I don't see is she motivated FD more than vice versa.
Is the death of MT's twin confirmed by an obit, death record, etc? The only mention I can find a "Michael Troconis" is on a Troconis family tree, but I always took that to be a typo for Michelle.
I'm also wondering about MT's NY psychiatric stay. Is there any more information about that floating around somewhere? I'm coming up empty.
I know what you mean, that since she was already involved in murder she had had something to cover up by the time she was blotting blood out if the Tacoma. As if her butt were more important than Jennifer and her family. I still don't see it because she is not acting in her own butt saving best interest. She would have been far better off to jump out and pin the murder on Fotis, especially once she got the breaking news that LE on a dumpsta tour on Albany Avenue. If her actions were all calculating and manipulating to get what's best for her, why not throw Fotis' donkey under the bus the minute it's clear the murder will be solved?