Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

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  1. MemPat

    MemPat Without Art the Earth is just Eh!

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    Thank you for the incredible time and energy you've invested in seeking justice for Jennifer, Afitzy.

    I've yet to see anyone else so committed to a case with hours upon hours spent researching and sorting the facts from the frivolous speculation.

    Commenters come and go, speaking at length without having read even the basics of the case but you give it your all.

    Many of us have taken long breaks when the news pickings were slim but you've kept your nose to the grindstone and I expect you'll be here 'til the end.

    Again, a big thank you from me and I'm sure hundreds of others!

    Justice for Jennifer!
     


  2. acutename

    acutename Well-Known Member

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    there are some pre-FD, or at least pre- moving-into J4X, pictures in which she looks much happier and healthier IMO:
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    art show in miami in 2017

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    in the recent court and booking pictures, she looks haggard and horrible, IMO. her face looks more relaxed however, since FD died, IMO.
     
  3. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    You wouldn't have the arrest affidavit - would you?? TIA if you post it! :)
     
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  4. acutename

    acutename Well-Known Member

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    wondered if he had GPS/tracking.
    looks as if these cars are not the newest, but it would have been
    available, not guaranteed. does anyone know if it appeared in the SWs? I do not recall.
     
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  5. Chicago54

    Chicago54 Well-Known Member

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    As I catch upon the thread and read all everyone is saying regarding MT, I keep going back to a post I made in Sept to @Chessman . @Ruminations and I had a friendly little exchange about it, but as the months, AWs and SWs have rolled by, it becomes even more significant to me.

    I think we will all be shocked by MTs involvement.

    and here’s my post , which I still strongly stand behind:

    Both MT AND FD were ONLY charged with evidence tampering. I am not aware of any evidence which directly supports your assertion that MT was not an accomplice in the murder.


    I’ve long been an advocate of using a “follow the money” type approach in solving this crime. I feel the Why? of the murder is worthy of some deeper discussion that might get us thinking outside the box and stir up some creative new suggestions to fill in the still missing Wheres, Whats, Whens, and Hows.


    So, Why was JD murdered?

    IMO, in a general sense, the answer lies in what was the gain.

    Obviously the hotly contested 2+yr divorce is the glaring red flag. Getting rid of JD ends the divorce litigation. (And maybe, just maybe, ends the money battle with GF if the grief stricken, grandchild protecting, grandma withdraws.) Perhaps to FD, in the simplest view, kind of a best case scenario, ending the divorce, with mother gone, results in custody of the children, access to their trust funds, and full ownership of all of his and JDs assets. The money looks better to FD and his atty fees end too! Looks perfect, right? IIRC, as FD said in his latest interview , his life was “beautiful”, except for the divorce. He wanted it over. But here’s the stickler, can any sense be made out of potentially gaining a murder charge to get out of a divorce???


    Yes, I know, it happens all the time-and in this past year, probably more horrifically than ever imagined, but the rage and spontaneity seen in those crimes is missing in this case.

    The use of the Tacoma and the plates clearly point a premeditated murder, not one caused by a sudden explosion of anger. The limited public information available shows some of FDs movements during the last week of JDs life: smoozing KM’s STBX, dining &/or playing basketball w his kids, and hosting a dinner party. And supposedly at the same time planning JDs murder. The equation is simply not adding up. What’s missing? Where is the rage or anger needed to override the rational of not trading a divorce action for a murder charge?


    For arguments sake, perhaps we are missing information that does show some rage. Were JD and FD arguing in person, on phone, via text or email? No-have not heard or seen one shrewd of evidence supporting any of these.

    Did FD as JD to meet to talk and the meeting turned violent? No- then he wouldn’t have needed the Tacoma or plates.

    Was the other person seemingly involved with the murder, as supported by evidence, harboring any anger or rage?

    Maybe. IMO a little attention needs to be directed on MT to find the missing piece of the equation.


    MT:admittedly at the car wash, claiming ignorance of what she is doing but running to her attorney afterwards.

    MT: the pillow-talk-mate of the frustrated sad FD who wants nothing more than to continue his “beautiful” life and be divorced.

    MT: the single mom whose child support would end in 5-6yrs. (Follow the money)

    MT: the adulteress who moved her child out of state, away from her family and home, to supposedly move into a temporary house provided by her rich sugar daddy.

    MT: the international mover and shaker who had put all her eggs in FDs and FOREs basket, who was watching her job and income disappear as FORE collapsed.

    MT: after finally gaining access to the castle, watching as her paramour’s STBX MIL paid for their mortgage.

    MT: hooked to a guy who was wrapped in litigation and couldn’t sell a house to save his life.

    MT: who was denied access to her lover’s children by the court, about to face another holiday weekend of turmoil. She had to be mad as a wet hen after the judge finally gave FD Memorial Day weekend. Where was MT supposed to go for the weekend??


    Now there’s a little rage.

    Maybe a closer look at MT will help answer “how FD pulled off the murder” and why.”

    Sep 11, 2019
     
  6. Chicago54

    Chicago54 Well-Known Member

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    EXACTLY !
    “(MT)had plenty of time to tell the authorities, but she didn’t. Better to be a woman who helped her man clean up the aftermath, than a co-conspirator in a murder, yes? So instead of taking on the limited role of the former, she is now the latter. Why would she allow this? Because she IS the latter.“
     
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  7. BellaVita

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    Nah, FD didn't want to keep her in the shadows. MT was a big F!@$ U to Jennifer. He didn't throw everything away for MT. He was rearing up and ready to throw before he even met her. IMO, there is no way she WAS the power. No doubt she was shady with FORE money and so was FD. They both had something on the other and neither could spill the beans without incriminating their own self.

    I agree that she wanted to move into the house and I am sure FD wanted her there. Because, you know, see me Jennifer? Are you looking? You have been easily replaced and now another woman is in the bed and her kid is here too. You ask why FD would want that. That is Malignant N for you. They are never satisfied and do not even know when they have already won. FD won when he married JD. FD won when he got HF to loan him money. FD won when he was able to travel 10 days a month. FD won when JD left 4JC. FD won by having secret money stashed away. He was WIN-NING all the way up to the divorce action and didn't even know it. It is at that point where he should have allowed quick divorce and skipped the country. Maybe without even getting a divorce. It is like when you go to a casino. Quit while you're ahead.

    As far as the visitation, I agree that she wanted to be there and FD wanted her there too. Because, nobody tells FD what to do. He stupidly thought he could hide her presence and when it was discovered, he wasn't going to back down. Neither FD nor MT are near close to normal. FD was certainly able to stop her being present during visitation. He just didn't want to.
     
  8. Jmoose

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    I remember this post...it was a good one!
     
  9. BellaVita

    BellaVita Well-Known Member

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    In total agreement with all you wrote. No way is anybody going to force FD to do anything. IMO.
     
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    Would WS please provide a Love Button? Absolutely everything you said is spot on, wouldn't change a word. Would have loved to have read that in CT papers!
     
  11. RoosterRock

    RoosterRock Well-Known Member

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    Excellent post! There are some very good possible new leads/questions? Hoping LE has someone reading WS just in case we stumble upon a possible new clue or direction for them to pursue. If there is any possible burial of body or parts, now with now snow and mild temps is a good time to search again......

    Did KM actually drive to Waveny and both he and MT left their phones at the supposed meeting, and used burner phones. Did a staff member answer his phone from Greece? Or the answering machine picked up? Can LE tell the difference between an answering machine at an office and an actual person picking up the phone??
    Under this scenario MT could have been at murder site or nearby as a lookout. Was that the reason for the plates being disposed. Was another car down there? Although she could have hidden down there. I am wondering if she did not actually drive her daughter to school that day. She was very vague on remembering that. I remember my drop off's if they are recent.
    Although, she could have driven down there after drop off to assist with clean up but that is a long stretch given traffic down there being unpredictable. She either went when FD did or not all - IMO.

    Perhaps KM took the body as has been discussed and disposed of it up in his familiar boating area on the sound? or elsewhere? A pre-dug grave site LE has not found. We know he was involved in creating one a the gun club that was discovered. There could be another or 2????

    Was it another associate of FD? It has been suggested his Greek pal was involved, or a paid associate of illegal activities took the body.

    Perhaps partial dismember was done at murder site? That attributed to more blood - hands, head.... easier to dispose??

    It has been discussed that the children's school did not permit devices they were left in cars or at home.

    I do find it interesting as well that the 13 yr old daughter of MT was not allowed near the kids either?
    Also FD seemed enthralled with MT and her daughter. That all seems strange.
    Did they enlist the help of the daughter to coerce the kids to lie to the court?? Did they get her to do other things??? Strange......
     
  12. RoosterRock

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    Wow, the CT judges need more trining and tools to stop and say enough. The fact that FD violated court orders and JD was fearful IMO is enough to warrant an end to any more filings, he should have been done. Judge should have stepped in and said this is what is going to happen for the next year, with custody of kids, and granted divorce.
    FD stalled on finances so he should have penalized in court decision with support payments - we know he was looking to get alimony orany money he could from JD......
    Just a sad state of affairs. JD had to continually prove FD was not fit to be near her and children and they just didn't listen OMG.

    What a way to live........

    CT COURT SYSTEM HAS TO MAKE CHANGES AFTER THIS CASE, THE NATION IS WATHCING AND IS HORRIFIED.
     
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    What she has a dead twin? What age did he die?
    Must have been a typo who would name their twins Michelle and Michael???
    What Psychiatric stay in NY? These are important to understand how she could have participated in all this with no remorse.
    She doesn't look sad at all.
    If the love of my life died, and my job and home are at gone, and loss of child custody is a possibility, I would be so distraught.
    If I was connected to a murder of a mother of 5 kids, I would be climbing the walls, couldn't live i my skin.......borderline suicidal myself.
    MT's whole world has fallen apart.....she in not showing an emotional loss. Is she drugged?
    Questions galore - all IMO - no facts just questions.....????
    EBM - Typos
     
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  14. acutename

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    BM

    wonder where his boat was last May. Docked somewhere or trailored? Do not imagine him putting a body in his Mercedes, Saab or BMW unless he was very drunk, IMO. (Are these cars leased or owned?) would like to know if there was still a boat and if it was anywhere in particular. Boats, BTW, easier to wash than cars, IMO. (Do not, BTW, expect that the Courts would be kind to KM if much involvement was shown; knowledge of the law would be imputed to him and he would be harshly judged IMO.)
     
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    Yes, pre-murder plot pics, predictably show way less stress.
     
  16. Jmoose

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    Yeah-poor him!
     
  17. Tink56

    Tink56 MOO...IMO

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    Couldn't agree with you more @sleuth66! And, when you juxtapose the above interpretation with the reality posted from the article shared by @sds71:

    Jennifer Dulos told the judge her husband presented her on May 30, 2017 with a custody schedule that indicated he wanted the children throughout the summer, including weekends “except that I could have one weekend a month” and two full weeks, according to the transcript.
    “I said this is too much, I don’t think I can agree to all this and we moved into the living room and he became enraged with me, that I wasn’t just going to agree to all of this,” she testified.
    Fotis Dulos threatened to take the children “and disappear” while yelling about six inches from her face, she testified. Jennifer Dulos ran out of the house and down the street with him chasing her, and saying “he didn’t care what the neighbors heard,” she testified.
    When they returned home, Fotis Dulos fished the pieces of the agreement that he had ripped up out of the garbage and told her to tape them together, Jennifer Dulos testified. It was in that moment, Jennifer Dulos testified, that she knew she had to escape and hire an attorney. The couple’s longtime nanny, Lauren Almeida, testified during the hearing that she overheard the incident.


    This was Fd's idea of an amicable divorce...Go figger! So much for flowery, artistic magazine writing...IMO...MOO!
     
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  18. Ruminations

    Ruminations Eating ice cream.

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    I went back and read that thread. It was crazy busy Sept 10 and 11.

    It was a good post then and is a good post now.

    This is my ultimate thought. Troconis appears highly convict able of conspiracy for murder. She was in ahead of the killing act, planning alibis, etc.

    I don't buy that she was a only a "bit player," as her lawyer admitted. And I don't buy that she was the more motivated driving force of the murder. I am somewhere in between. She was a perpetrator with no legal and no moral defense, IMO. In fact, I should use the present tense, assuming her complicity continues. But she was groomed for abuse by Dulos, if not outright abused. And she certainly did not call the shots, IMO.

    While conspiring to murder, I suspect she expected the murder to solve the problems Dulos had- the alleged only exception to his beautiful life. And Dulos' problem was her problem. I suspect she felt Dulos could focus more on their soulless goals as a couple withJennifer gone. I suspect she believed Jennifer was causing Dulos' "fighting all the time," behavior towards her. I suspect she believed that the divorce was a huge expense when there was so much other glittery (but ultimately soulless) stuff to do with the cash. I think it is likely that Fotis showed her glimpses of his abusive side and she blamed Jennifer for his abusive behavior to her. (I see glimpses of abuse in the crotch grab pic. I think Dulos flattered her with her coolness, sexiness, and non-Jenniferness so much that she missed the sexual possessiveness.)

    Regarding that picture, the real message recipient and primary abuse victim was Jennifer in my opinion. I believe BellaVita called MT an "FU" to Jennifer, and I agree. Yet the pic showed control over Troconis, too, even if she was the smiling publisher, IMO.

    I am not excusing MT, calling her a good person, claiming she is not legally guilty, or claiming she is not morally guilty.

    So, perhaps what I am saying is ultimately irrelevant. (No more so than asserting the opposite.)

    I do not buy that MT was the driving force or even equal co-driving force in the murder with Fotis.
     
  19. Chicago54

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    I’m still stuck on equal.
    The fact that after she spent the afternoon at MS and went along for the garbage dump, and had more then enough time to let that gel with the news that Jennifer was missing, she still had her teenage daughter stay in the home with FD, says she was up to her eyeballs to me.
    Now that FD is gone, hopefully the evidence or KM will shed more light on her role.

    I’m interested in what you’re saying about the “crotch grab” pic Have you seen one where it is FD grabbing her, which accounts for your read of possessiveness? I have seen the one of her gf grabbing her posted by another make BFF skiing buddy. He also posted and is picture in the one where she is smiling away while giving someone the finger. I believe those are from a July 2016.
    I agree with your point that MT was meant to push Jd. Ugly ugly abuse.
     
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    Tink56 MOO...IMO

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    Absolutely agree with on this insightful evaluation of the danger of MT. From your post @afitzy:
    But, this doesn't mean she is weak or that she isn't dangerous. Nope. IMO is a predator. She is a predator of other peoples husbands and boyfriends and possessions and she is motivated solely by what feels good and what makes her feel safe which IMO is money and the more of it the better. In the world of MT IMO, GREED IS GOOD!

    Dial back to the recent hearing in which MT thought everything was going to be different. She whips her headphones aside, shaking her head, "NO, NO"....indicating she must be allowed to have free rein of her time for her business. She doesn't acknowledge the judge's objections or seem cognizant of them. She's in her own world of me. Fd is dead and she sees herself as free of any problems, IMO. Why should she be inconvenienced in her opinion....moving on...it's all over but the shouting. The woman is clueless and sees no boundaries. As you stated she isn't weak...she only cares about MT and MT's wants.

    Whereas JFd was horrified by her husband's revenge fantasies, MT encouraged and embellished them, IMO. She would support his anger and fantasize with him about ways to end their problem with JFd. Personally, I see MT as helping to shape Fd's plan to end their problem and make JFd "disappear." She badgered Fd for closure on the JFd relationship. She went to NY to check on the trust funds set up for children. (Heck, she could send them to boarding school, if necessary.) Fd and MT argued because she was tired of waiting. She wanted JFd gone...and Fd to herself in her mansion with room for all her relatives. She was only concerned with her needs...not the needs of JFd...not the needs of 5 children...She was angry and wanted HER NEEDS met.
     
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