Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #48

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  1. spaz1959

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    So, I don't think it's in the LE reports, about MT going to the NY Probate Court to try to look up records on HF's trust, (came up in the civil case), but that could be incriminating on the conspiracy charge, particularly if she went there before the bloody scene transpired in NC. It also could be evidence against her if she went there afterwards. MOO
     
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    So, I don't think it's in the LE reports, about MT going to the NY Probate Court to try to look up records on HF's trust, (came up in the civil case), but that could be incriminating on the conspiracy charge, particularly if she went there before the bloody scene transpired in NC. It also could be evidence against her if she went there afterwards. MOO
    NP and MC go back years--from when they were blogging together on "Crime & Federalism". They were of the "Liberal" persuasion then.
     
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    So, I don't think it's in the LE reports, about MT going to the NY Probate Court to try to look up records on HF's trust, (came up in the civil case), but that could be incriminating on the conspiracy charge, particularly if she went there before the bloody scene transpired in NC. It also could be evidence against her if she went there afterwards. MOO
    NP and MC go back years--from when they were blogging together on "Crime & Federalism". They were of the "Liberal" persuasion then.
    Author doesn't say LE recovered FedEx box with doctored license plates.
     
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    Tink56 MOO...IMO

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    The author's wrong information so riles me, that it's difficult to read the article objectively. Perhaps he'd consider submitting his next draft to WS to get confirmation of some of the basic facts.

    Here's a few...and one I found most upsetting:

    "Fotis objected, telling the court that “Michelle and [her daughter] have been wonderful to the children. There’s absolutely no evidence they have done anything wrong or spoken badly about Jennifer or anybody else.”
    Noticed this one and it rankled, as Fotis said MT had been NICE to the children. One's "nice" to strangers and casual friends, not children who might become one's step-children. MT was a bit of an emotional, self-serving vacuum...the fun side-kick...not a caring or nurturing mother figure.

    By the fall of 2017, Jennifer was living with her kids in the big house at 69 Welles Lane in New Canaan, built on what had once been a middle-class street of schoolteachers.
    Just above this in the article, the author makes it sound like JFd just wanted a new life, which contrasts to the harrowing escape she planned with the movers. It omits the absurd plan FD had for custody and the terror JFd felt as he chased her down the street trying to get her to sign the ridiculous document and then insisting she tape it together as he had torn it apart in a rage.
    The author omits the fact that JFd was living on Chichester in NC before she moved to Welles Lane. He leaves out the trauma of this move as she literally had to sneak out of Farmington. Overall, the author is much too focused on JFd's presumed wealth, not on the cost of the terror and abuse she suffered to create the move. (I can't imagine the logistics of moving 5 children and their lives to a new address....)

    Then they’d forget what it means to be Greek. Which is one reason he wanted partial custody. He did not want his kids to forget who they were and where they came from.
    Please....Initially FD wanted full custody during the summer and every weekend. The craziest part to me...FD forgot his kids were Americans, born here, raised here...who should have been free to explore all the wonderful passions kids in the US of A might experience and enjoy. The joy of doing things with their classmates was beyond Fd. They came from America, not Greece. Fd was living in an altered reality, IMO.

    We don’t know whether these funds, which must have hung over Fotis like golden coins in a video game, motivated his actions, but we do know that if he did indeed kill his wife, he was not all that concerned with the well-being of his children. We can also presume that Fotis wanted custody for traditional reasons. Because he loved his kids and wanted to be with them. Because he hated his wife and did not want her to be happy. Because he wanted to win.
    It's hard to know where to begin with this one. The bottom line, besides winning, is Fd thought of his children, especially the two oldest, as his alter-egos. They were the promise of future of HIS family's name...his name...they were the next, great Dulos skiers. He brought a trainer from Greece when they were 6-8 years old to insure their skills. He was obsessed with this...he forced their training....I doubt Fotis really understood love during his lifetime. Now, that's a little sad.

    Jennifer was worried about her husband’s temper, a concern that’s hard to dismiss. And this: Jennifer had been hurt and must have wanted to hurt Fotis in return. She, too, wanted to win.
    Whoa....In all I've read, JFd's only goal in ending the relationship was the safety of her children and herself. She wasn't into winning. She wanted a safe environment for the children when with Fd. She wanted an end to his anger and fear he would ultimately run off with the kids. I counted the motions in the last year of the divorce. Fd out-numbered JFd's almost 2 to 1. He was relentless in trying to get his way. JFd knew MT as she had worked in the office in Farmington while JFd was there. JF knew MT, and she wasn't comfortable that she was nurturing or caring of the children. MT presented a fun, party-girl persona who was concerned about her own daughter and Fd...the Fd children would have been a distant third, IMO, for her being nice, but not loving or caring. JFd didn't want to win...she wanted to trust that the court could protect the kids and her. She wanted an equitable financial relationship. Too much to ask????

    The entire article is so stilted on the facts as we know them....I could go on, but time limits this. Read the article with a factual eye...IMO..MOO
     
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    afitzy STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES!

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    Interesting that Yannis and Masiello have failed to enter pleadings with the Court.

    IDK answer to whether this would mean that their claims are disallowed or could be disallowed by the Court and if so, would this improve the position of GF who I believe was at the bottom of the stack of creditors at Sturbridge? If I recall, the trade creditors (all except 1 I think) didn't enter pleas as well. So, this would leave Danbury Savings Bank, 1 trade creditor and GF claim on the property if the other claims are disallowed.

    I do wonder if we will get an answer to the question of Fd asking his 'friends' to place these claims on Sturbridge to keep GF from collecting? I do also wonder if Atty Markowitz documented these 'friend loans'? It seems though as if Fd left nothing to chance here to keep GF from getting a penny as the 1st mortgage from Danbury Savings Bank appears underwater at this point.

    What a mess.

    MOO
     
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    afitzy STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES!

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    @Tink56, I give you SO SO SO SO SO much credit for having the patience to pull out these paragraphs from the article instalment. You have much more patience then I did with this writer and what appears IMO to be a very definite predisposition in his approach to this story and Fotis Dulos which I find quite disappointing. The interesting twist in his POV and which I believe seems to be shading virtually everything he is writing about the victim is her wealth, her upbringing and the fact that she was raised in the Jewish faith. Color me crazy but the filter that this writer is using simply serves to shade his ability to write this story in any way remotely 'fair or balanced'. It sadly seems that the writer continues to push the narrative that JFd deserved everything that happened to her because of how she had the courage to leave 4Jx and start a new life in New Canaan. JFd didn't deserve what happened to her and so to suggest otherwise IMO is simply sick and irresponsible reporting. Sad to see these article instalments being written IMO through the filter of a perspective similar filled with misogyny, anti-semitism and sexism to what we have seen from Pattisville and the Greek Family. Curious isn't it?????

    I think where I gave up on the latest installment was the somewhat snide reference to Atty Weinstein saying that Fd never paid child support for his children (this is a fact borne out in Civil Case) and then going on to say that Fd did have to pay for atty fees, other professionals etc. and that these expenses were resulting in him bleeding cash. The reality is that Fd had $$$ and chose to not use it to support his children. How he used his money otherwise IMO is irrelevant to the fact that he chose to NOT BE A RESPONSIBLE PARENT for over 2 years.

    Mmmm.

    IMO NO CHILD SUPPORT IS NO CHILD SUPPORT. ZIP, NADA and ZILCH!

    The other point which I found mind blowing was the not too subtle shade thrown at JFd for continuing to fight in Court for full custody and the writers choice to brand this action as JFd 'wanting to win'! So, we are supposed to believe that fighting for what you believe in is somehow wrong (but only if you are female I guess in the eyes of the writer).

    Mmmm.

    I would be hard pressed to find anyone who might think that JFd didn't have valid reasons for continuing to fight hard for custody of the 5 children given the track record of Fd and the ongoing situation with MT. But, for the writer to IMO essentially dismiss the record of what JFd endured and her fears for the children when with their father and the influence and presence of MT, I have to admit to seeing nothing but bias in these descriptions.

    Why was it OK for Fd to "fight to win" but not for the victim JFd to give as good as she got? The ongoing portrayal of JFd as somehow being a bully with more wealth etc. and using this against Fd is simply IMO irresponsible reporting and to say IMO also absolutely incorrect. The Farber wealth didn't save JFd from getting murdered and the CT Courts and all the motions filed did nothing to keep the victim safe either. I don't know why the writer seems fixated on wealth here as IMO there is no denying it existed but it seems also pretty clear that it did little to save JFd life, even if it allowed her to escape Fd which is more than most women in Fairfield County are able to afford IMO sadly. But to somehow fault JFd for being born into privilege is simply a bridge too far here in this reporting IMO. Domestic violence touches people of all levels of wealth and social class and doesn't discriminate either IMO! I wish the writer had done more research on the cycle of violence and spoken to some academics or activists in the field as it might have resulted in more accurate reporting on the events and certainly about the behaviour of Fd and MT IMO.

    The reality is that Fd filed more motions in Family Court vs JFd so, to portray Fd as the 'bullied victim' or as the less financially advantaged participant is absolutely IMO "FAKE NEWS". Even when Fd was representing himself (during the period he was claiming poverty), the motions in Family Court kept on coming and for every JFd motion filed in this period Fd never stopped fighting.

    I am always curious how people can believe wealth automatically guarantees a 'win' in litigation scenarios. Sure wealth can have an impact when the costs to litigate anything are astonomical. But, to me with this case the bigger and more important story is how Fd with allegedly less money (how much less is unclear as he hid virtually everything IMO) managed to file more motions and continue to battle in court for 2 years. To me, this is evidence that in the situation of this case that the JFd/Farber wealth didn't have as much of an impact on Fd and his ability to hold his own in Family Court as the writer of these articles suggests is the case.

    I do think the tipping point regarding the impact of the wealth differential between the parties was coming and that the financial reckoning day was fast approaching where Fd would lose his mask and he was essentially a cornered dangerous animal in Family Court around the time of the JFd murder. I don't think there can be much doubt as to why the murder happened when it did (relative to upcoming court appearances in Family Court) and the planned visitation over the long weekend.

    MOO
     
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    Yes, sorry I didn't mean to lump all defense attorneys with NP. I thought MT's previous attorney, AB, was very professional and wise. I haven't followed this case that long, but it seemed to me that he kept MT's case low and his conduct didn't hurt her as much as NP hurt FD's case. I agree that everyone deserves a good defense.

    MOO
     
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    @Tink56 & @afitzy - you should send your posts to the writer of the article - and set HIM straight! Loved both boths! :)
     
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    Normy attracks a certain clientele.
     
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    I just read through all those pages of SW again and IMO there is NO WAY MT is Not guilty of conspiracy and is quite possible she was in Jennifer’s house and garage participating in the horrible torture/murder.It is implied several times more than one person was there.
    Also, can’t stop thinking about all the family members present at the Greek Easter celebration MT and FD hosted. The hosts probably communicated their anger to everyone and perhaps ideas and planning for the murder was discussed with some of those guests. Also think it strange that MT listed the chipped and damaged plates used at this celebration as items she wanted returned from the house.
    I bet MT was really mad that her daughter was “snubbed” because JD’s children didn’t attend.
     
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    Here's a quote from an article the HC ran about administrator Hug looking into FD's papers--and Atty Smith's comments (malpractice suits? against whom?)

    "Hug said a broken window has been fixed, the alarm is now working again and the locks have been changed so the house is secure. Hug said he also talked with the state’s attorney who had been prosecuting Dulos and received permission to look through documents and papers in the home.


    Smith said that they want to ensure that Dulos’ interests in his own estate are preserved — specifically so that they can pursue possible wrongful deaths claims and possibly malpractice lawsuits."


    Hartford Courant – Hartford Courant - Hartford Courant

    I wonder why the state's atty or LE didn't continue to secure the house as a crime scene, preventing the Greek relatives from occupying it after FD's death--and whether
    some pertinent records may have vanished before Hug got there.
     
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    A HUGE-- I totally agree...Anna C was also present in the home and had been prior to Fd's suicide attempt. Between the Greek relatives and AC, I'm sure a great deal might have disappeared....sigh.
     
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    I remember In DA’s Hartford Courant articles his misstating, as this article does, that Jennifer moved directly into the Welles house when in fact she lived in another house in NC first. May give insight into sources for this article.
     
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    That will probably never be brought up again.
    I hope we do find out more but I doubt anything more will be done. The way things keep being "forgiven" in this case are normal. They cant communicate now unless MT calls Ms Cleo and I dont think the courts will recognize that as a form of contact.
     
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    Question:
    What chemical or product would not penetrate or dissolve clothing or material? See where I am going with this...
     
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    Hmmm, runways at Danbury Airport lit up like the Las Vegas strip?? JD and LA wondering if Grace Farms “really did close early that day” when 6 pm is their normal closing time?? These articles just get better and better, ahem, gag, etc.

    And now there’s a Part V coming next week?

    I think I’m going to take it upon myself to start filling in the pieces that the author is leaving out. Bold is the original text, plain text are the pieces that I added that he forgot to put in (let’s call this the “editor’s cut”):

    Though an attorney representing Jennifer’s mother later claimed Fotis “never paid a dime in child support in more than two years,” he was, according to a police audit, racking up massive fees stemming from the divorce—he had to pay lawyers, a court-appointed guardian, and a psychiatrist. In short, Fotis Dulos was bleeding cash.
    Jennifer and her kids would seem to have been leading an idyllic life in New Canaan, which, with its picture-perfect main street, is America as it was dreamed in the 1950s.

    While Jennifer labored away like an altruistic 21st century June Cleaver providing everything for the kids that Fotis had failed on- namely, unconditional love, care, and a sense of intrinsic self worth not premised on outward performance- Fotis, that chiseled Greek God of a certain age, was living a philanderer’s paradise in the house that Jennifer’s family had funded. His unpaid bills to court appointed supervisors and lawyers and the like paled in comparison to the cash he was laying out to wine and dine Michi and her daughter, who had displaced his own child on the cover of the Fore brochure just a year before. During the divorce, Fotis and Michi spent lavishly on travel, taking “work related” water skiing trips to Florida, junkets to Spain and Greece, weekends who knows where, all the while cooking the books of Fore (if there were any books at all, a matter debated in the later civil trial) in order to funnel vast sums of money borrowed from gullible local banks into their grandiose party and travel lifestyle.
    In the meantime, miles downstate in New Canaan, it was Jennifer that was keeping the kids’ lives on track, with love and care and involvement in their school and their sports teams, making sure their basic needs were met all the while worrying about the looming sinister threat from Fotis, who pummeled her with motion after motion, two for every one of hers, in family court.
    Sure, the kids had vacations too, spending time with their grandmother (to whom they were ferried safe passage the afternoon of the murder) in Florida, but nothing like the wild and raucous party scene that Fotis and Michi relished and cultivated in what had been the Dulos kids’ home at 4JC, now decorated with “artistic” paintings of Michi, and large gold framed mirrors on the bedroom walls. A home that had been paid for with the Farber’s familial intentions that were now being so violently betrayed by Fotis, as he partied the nights and showered the mornings away with Michi, sharing with her his fantasies about a day when Jennifer would “disappear.” It was no wonder Jennifer asked the judge that Michi not be present during the visitations.
    Was it this desperate stew of unpaid bills, steamy sex, and failure to cover up the toxic parent that he was in divorce court the trigger that led him to snap and act on those fantasies? Or was Michi the one who set it up, perhaps issuing an ultimatum to him during one of their heated arguments over his failures, fights that she would later tell law enforcement took place between them “all the time”? From the arrest warrants, we know that Michi was blindsided and upset by the fact that Fotis hadn't told her that he had been at Jennifer’s house on May 22nd. Was there more that he had hidden from her, perhaps pushing her hardened jealousy to the breaking point?
    Or was it, in the end, all about the kids, not in the way it would be for a normal father, but instead for the dollar signs that Fotis saw on their foreheads every time he reached down to kiss them?
    After all, Jennifer’s late father, Hilliard Farber, had set up trust funds for his Dulos grandchildren of $2 million each. If Fotis lost custody, he’d lose access to that money, which, as a guardian, he could tap into for cost-of-living expenses. When a man becomes desperate for cash, he will look for it everywhere, even in his children’s future.
    We don’t know whether these funds, which must have hung over Fotis like golden coins in a video game, motivated his actions, but we do know that if he did indeed kill his wife, he was not all that concerned with the well-being of his children. We can also presume that Fotis wanted custody for traditional reasons. Because he loved his kids and wanted to be with them. Because he hated his wife and did not want her to be happy. Because he wanted to win.
    But presuming that would also mean presuming that Fotis was a normal person, with normal feelings and emotions and ability to love and nourish, and not a money hungry, hollow narcissist killer following in the footsteps of countless wife-murderers before him, from Chris Watts to Scott Peterson to Richard Crafts just down I84 at Lake Zoar.

    Tune in next week for another installment!
     
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    After laying out all the timelines in a single table (vehicles, cellphones, other known activity through RELIABLE witness statements (i.e. neither KM nor MT), I've come to suspect that MT was not in New Canaan that day. I think FD and KM were. KM may even have been in New Canaan since the night before, driving there after he gained control of FD's Suburban.

    And, I think MT was in possession of BOTH KM's and FD's cellphones at 4JC in the morning (FD's having been left there after he turned off his alarm on 5/24 at 4:21AM and bicycled to 80 MS Rd and KM's having been handed over to FD when KM rendezvoused with FD the night before to gain possession of the Suburban.) KM's cellphone was likely disconnected from the network for most of the time MT held it, except for the timeframe 7:29AM to 8:22AM, when they all wanted it to appear KM was at the Fore Group office.

    I also suspect that MT and FD may have traded cellphones (sometime after 1:36 but before 2:13) in advance of the roughly hour and a half (2:24 to 3:55) that the Jeep traveled away from the Farmington area - traveling first to 190 Old Farms Rd, Avon and then to 193 Birch St, Bristol (assumed from SW's relating to cell tower dumps). The cellphone trade was likely done to give the impression through cellphone records that MT was making that trip, rather than FD.

    It's notable that it appears the Jeep's northbound-toward-Avon trip was started twice - the Jeep left 80 MS Rd once and then it returned and left again immediately AFTER FD's cellphone had exchanged text messages with PG asking when he would be returning to the office. So, it is likely that after the Jeep departed northbound the first time, one of the two parties - FD or MT - realized they needed to know PG's plans as they feared PG might return to the Farmington area before the driver of the Jeep did, so the Jeep briefly returned, texts were exchanged with PG, and the two figured out exactly how much time the Jeep driver had for this Farmington-to-Avon-to Bristol-to-Farmington trip, as well as what to do if PG returned before the Jeep driver did.

    After thoroughly reviewing the timelines, IMO, the body was transferred in New Canaan from JFD's Suburban to the Thule rack atop FD's Suburban, then FD's Suburban was driven to 80 MS Rd, where the body was removed from the Thule rack and from all its wrappings (clothing, taped up bags, and zip ties), both the body and rack were thoroughly cleaned up, and then the body was put back into the Thule rack, which was then placed atop or inside the Jeep.

    After the text to learn PG's plans, it is discernible from the LE SW's for cellphone tower dumps that the Jeep is suspected to have traveled first to the storage place in Avon and then to a mysterious place near 193 Birch St in Bristol, where - presumably - either the body was removed from the Thule rack OR the Thule rack with body inside was replaced with a replacement Thule rack for the trip back to Farmington.

    It is worth noting that the unaccounted for time in New Canaan (39 minutes) roughly approximates the 41 minutes the Jeep driver would have available for a body transfer in the hour and a half (2:24 to 3:55) that it was gone from 80 MS Rd, since the trip from Farmington to Avon to Bristol to Farmington would take about 50 minutes. So, both times the body was likely transferred, it took the same amount of time.
     
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