CT CT - Ledyard, WhtFem UP8909, 18-30, JNHS 1917 Class Ring, May'74

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  1. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Do you know anything about Darlene's family that lived in WV? IIRC, (and it's been years since I did research) she was born in Germany (and moved to the US with her mother who had remarried a gentleman who lovingly adopted Darlene). *My memory ain't what it used to be so don't take any of this as fact*
     
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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    On second thought I likely have my cases mixed-up so discount my previous post. It's too late for me to edit. Sorry!
     
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  3. AutumnEveHodge

    AutumnEveHodge Member

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    I submitted to the case owner on NamUs. Hopefully they will reply.
     
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  4. AutumnEveHodge

    AutumnEveHodge Member

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    If she had the ring on her neck like on the picture I doupt she left it
     
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  5. AutumnEveHodge

    AutumnEveHodge Member

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    Great grand father of Darlene Polizzi and the grand mother of Darlene Polizzi. I think it's J. L. N. on the ring for her grandma
    Hopefully the case owner gets back to me. Also on the phone bill the call from Newark NJ. That's where she's from. The report said possible family in TX. Her sister was there for a time I found on heritage. Com.
     

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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Excellent info! :D

    This might be the most interesting thing I've read on this thread in YEARS!
     
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  7. Tabirey

    Tabirey Music Addict

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    I think you're correct about the engraving. NamUs says the initials are ILN. Looking at typical engraving fonts, the first initial is either J or F.
    I've inserted a side by side of the ring and typical engraving font for comparison.
     

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  8. AutumnEveHodge

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    I know Carmichael robbed a bank on NJ now I'm going down that rabbit hole to see if I can, find a connection. Darlene disappeared in 1967. No trace just poof. She was married. Possibly her parents arranged it they used to do that back then. Especially if the girl was rebellious.. So here I go.... Send help if I'm not back in a few hours I may be lost in vintage digital data
     
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    So I found a few more rings made like the UID'S. after lots of digging.. Tadaaa! H. W. Peters out of Boston Massachusetts. He didn't have a patten make until 1923 that's why it was unmarked. I took some screen shots see what you think. He made rings for alot of larger schools in the area. I'm looking at a few that were open in 1917. To go with my theory I found Barringer high school in Newark NJ. Some of the other rings have the letter of the town. Here are the screen shots.
     

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    And something else. The adapted a all year school policy to finish 8 years of school in 6.. So a high school graduate or Junior High or Grammer or Finishing school would be 2 years younger then the average student schooler everywhere else or even today. So a 8th grader would be 12, a senior would be 16 or close to that. Opens a few more doors on ring owner.
     
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  11. PropaneYeeter

    PropaneYeeter If only sorrow could build a staircase.

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    Nice job!! Looks promising. I can't imagine the amount of digging you had to do to find this.
     
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    It was alot. I have so many notes and screen shots.. I just hope something gets some where. I can't find alot of I for on HW Peter's.. Just scraps of info.. In one ad I found it said the had catalogs but I can't find anything else about them.
     
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    The class ring..a vital clue..was it a keepsake...or stolen? If there are any schools from New Jersey....that have existed since 1917...send a round robbin....about the ring....after all the year may changes...but dont school rings never change?
     
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  14. Skigirl

    Skigirl Verified expert in neuroscience

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    Wow, this is really great work!
     
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    Skigirl Verified expert in neuroscience

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    Ut oh... here I go after you into the rabbit hole.

    Reaching waaaaaaaaaaaay back in my memory, yes, Carmichael did rob a bank near where this UID was living not very long before they both showed up in CT. I wrote out a whole timeline a long time ago that should be floating around on the thread someplace. I also had traced one of the phone numbers to a publisher and wondered why she would be calling -- maybe looking for a job? Maybe a family member who worked there?

    I've been tracking this case for so long that it's not infrequent for me to feel like I've make exciting new discoveries only to find out that they are discoveries I clearly knew about eight years ago. I had totally discounted Darlene because of the strong suspicion about the serial killer and the timing, but the info about her grandmother's initials and the ring in the photo (which I don't remember ever seeing before), has brought me around. Now that we have some people to search, I'm going to take a closer look at the publisher's number and whether someone in Darlene's family might have had a connection there.
     
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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Always good to see you posting your thoughts @Skigirl! And, I feel the same... it is the ring/initials that gave me new hope.

    I can't remember a NJ robbery but there were so many robberies I've likely forgotten.

    I wondered about trying to find a connection with some of the robbery crew members and "The Hangar Restaurant" or "Tommy's Diner".

    Finally, I recently realized one of the addresses Carmichael gave police (after an arrest in another state) was actually the address of a bowling alley. Bowlers and bowling alleys seem to keep resurfacing in the case. I wonder if Darlene and or family frequented these places as well. Another rabbit hole, I suppose.
     
  17. AutumnEveHodge

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    Thanks! I need to get, back in on this case and try to dig a bit more. I still havnt heard back but neither one are kit excluded from each other. I may send another email.
     
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    Could someone post Lorraine Stahl's exclusion list?
     
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  19. PropaneYeeter

    PropaneYeeter If only sorrow could build a staircase.

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    From NamUs:
    Deborah Lee Spickler (MP5426)
    Cathy Marie Moulton (MP3977)
    Denise Marie Sheehy (MP5533)
    Rosemary K. Calandriello (MP5909)
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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