Dating back 37,000 years, oldest cave art discovered at Abri Castanet: yep, it's porn

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  1. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    Possibly NSFW if you're working around cave dwellers.

    Oldest porn in history? Earliest ever limestone carvings dating back 37,000
    years believed to depict female private parts (if you have a vivid imagination
    ) (Daily Mail)
    from livescience.com:
    much more, with pictures, at links above and below

    Female Genitalia Carvings Are Europe's Oldest Rock Art
     
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  3. Melly53

    Melly53 New Member

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    Not quite sure how they came to believe that it was a picture of a woman's vulva. Is that what it really is or was that conclusion influence by someone's mind in the present day?
     
  4. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    It's based on precedent:
    http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/v...ings-is-revealed-after-37-000-years-1-2294488
     
  5. Nova

    Nova Active Member

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    I'm generalizing wildly here, but a lot of ancient peoples believed in the concept of sympathetic magic, i.e., a mystical connection between a word or an image and the thing it represents.

    If you want to make sure migrating buffalo return to your hunting territory, draw pictures of buffalos on the cave wall to summon them.

    If you want your wife/family/clan to be fertile, draw pictures of pregnant females or female genitalia. (I'm not sure when humans figured out the role of males in reproduction, but I suspect they knew where babies come from at an early time. I think there's a later shift toward representations of phalluses.)

    We continue such practices today when we invoke God at the beginning of a church service by chanting his name or when New Agers use creative visualization to picture things they want to acquire.

    So, no, I don't think it's a case that anthropologists have dirty minds or that ancient peoples were addicted to porn. Rather cave dwellers were manipulating the world around them by using the magic of representation.
     
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    Quiche New Member

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    Of course women detailia was depicted, lol (my very own werd!), why not? Just look at how often the male counterpart was scribbled, carved, and molded...it's all over the place, it's practically graffiti. :crazy:
     
  7. Kat

    Kat Kind words do not cost much

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    I had in my mind two teenage cavemen snickering when they drew that. Sorry.
     
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    These vulva drawings are relatively common in the Dordogne region, but this is the earliest. The earliest known "Venus" figurine with the genitalia clearly defined is from the same time period. Fertility and reproduction would have been very important to Paleolithic humans.

    Venus of Hohle Fels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This was in a period when the natural assets of women were highly respected and valued.
     
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    Trident Well-Known Member

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    Although I AM a firm believer in sympathetic magic I tend to believe some anthropoligists might have dirty minds, or are misled by their own fantasies. Methinks a LOT of "interpretations" are based on that, while many other are based on the limitations of their own minds and/or knowledge, which has been encased in concrete for whatever reasons. Fear of bucking the establishment? Fear of realizing "primitive" man may not have been as primitive as the establishment wants them to be? Fear of the unknown, and more fear to admit it?

    Ah, don't get me started.
     
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    ScubaTwinn New Member

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    Please don't apologize! You gave me the laugh I needed this morning.
    :floorlaugh:
     
  11. Hopeful One

    Hopeful One Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who

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    Fascinating!! I don't see female genitalia either but I guess that's why I'm sitting here and not on some anthropological dig or something.
     
  12. Nova

    Nova Active Member

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    I'm sorry, but without specific examples, I don't know what you are saying. Anthropologists are human beings, so I assume that as a group, they have the full range of human traits.

    But the concept of the "primitive" has been out of fashion in the field for decades, so I don't understand why you accuse anthropologists of condescending to the cultures they study.
     

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