DE DE - Odessa, WhtFem 701UFDE, 20-35, Rt 9 & Vance Neck Rd, Nov'93

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  1. kpdx

    kpdx Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of E

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    Unidentified White Female

    * The victim was discovered on November 25, 1993 in Odessa, New Castle County, Delaware
    * Estimated Date of Death: Over 3 months prior
    * Skeletal Remains

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 20-35 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'1-5'2"
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark brown hair.
    * Dentals: Available. The victims tooth # 13 is a diminutive tooth, 2/3 the normal crown dimension. Tooth #20 is rotated to the linual side. Teeth 23, 24, 25, 26 are slightly crowded. No staining or deposits indicative of tobacco use. Good dental health.

    Case History
    The victim was found 3 miles northeast of Odessa, DE in an overgrown field on state property known as the William J. Baxter memorial Park, west of Delaware Route 9 and south of Vance Neck Road.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Hal Brown
    Delaware Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
    302-577-3421
    Email
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    93-1195

    NCIC Number:
    U-695879247
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    NamUs
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/701ufde.html

    Here are some possibles right off the bat:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/340dfnj.html

    like the hair, height, teeth, and circumstances.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/602dfpa.html

    like the hair and circumstances. distance maybe a little far (3+ hours)
     
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  3. Julessleuther

    Julessleuther New Member

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    Right you are Jules...I'll remove, but then you have to remove the quote.
     
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    Julessleuther New Member

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    All done
     
  6. tfrohning

    tfrohning Rest in Peace

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    My hometown is Townsend De. My kids went to kindergarden in Odessa
    I don't remember this... but I am going to sleuth could be just age.
    if you go out of Odessa on Rt.13 their a bridge call St. Georges going about 10 to 15 miles into New Castle their a strip along the hwy for runs down hotels and druggie and prostitutes hang outs.
    RT 9 used to be all backroads in 93' with lot wetlands out that way.
     
  7. tamar

    tamar New Member

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    The victim was discovered on November 25, 1993 in Odessa, New Castle County, Delaware
    Estimated Date of Death: Over 3 months prior
    Skeletal Remains

    Estimated age: 20-35 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'1-5'2"
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark brown hair.
    Dentals: Available. The victims tooth # 13 is a diminutive tooth, 2/3 the normal crown dimension. Tooth #20 is rotated to the linual side. Teeth 23, 24, 25, 26 are slightly crowded. No staining or deposits indicative of tobacco use. Good dental health.

    Case History
    The victim was found 3 miles northeast of Odessa, DE in an overgrown field on state property known as the William J. Baxter Memorial Park, west of Delaware Route 9 and south of Vance Neck Road.

    oops. forgot to add links: The Doe Network Case File 701UFDE

    Charley Project: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gosselin_arisoneide.html
     

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  8. tamar

    tamar New Member

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    Arisoneide Oliveira Gosselin

    Notice tooth #13 on Gosselin (at least I think that's the right tooth)


    Missing since May 28, 1992 from Turlock, Stanislaus County, California.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    * Date Of Birth: November 25, 1960
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 31 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'1-5'2; 90-100 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Born in Brazil. Brown hair; brown eyes. She is fluent in Portuguese, and speaks English with a slight accent. She looked much younger than her age.
    * Birthmarks, Scars: Gosselin has a 12-inch scar on her abdomen.
    * Dentals: Available.
    * AKA: Neide.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Gosselin was last seen in Turlock, California on May 28, 1992. Gosselin vanished after dropping off her 10-year-old daughter at the home of a playmate. Gosselin failed to pick up her daughter at the designated time. She was last seen by a friend who saw her driving her car near her home at about 14.00 the same day.
    After Gosselin failed to pick up her daughter, the parents of the playmate went to the Gosselin residence. The friends looked through the window and could see Gosselin's wallet on the kitchen table. Gosselin's car was parked in the garage and the front door was unlocked. At around 23.00, there was still no sign of her and the parents of the girl's friend called police.

    Gosselin left her wallet, all her IDs, all her credit cards, and her checks at home. She didn't take any clothing, any suitcase, anything that would indicate she was leaving.

    Gosselin had been having medical problems stemming from an automobile accident in 1988. In addition, she and her husband of 10 years had been having marital problems. The two had separated, but the husband had moved back into the couple's home after a reconciliation. He told police he last saw his wife at 4:30, May 28 when he left for work.

    Gosselin is described as very consistent and family-oriented.
    Foul play is suspected.
     

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  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    For the upper teeth they are indexed right to left (1-16), and the lowers, left to right (17-32). So the gap in Aristoneide's side-view photo would be either a gap between #5 and #6, or a missing tooth #4 or #5 (or a gap and a missing tooth).

    Fortunately, Hal Brown provided actual photos of the skull in NamUs. And lo-and-behold, #4 is missing antemortem (in addition to a missing wisdom tooth #1). It looks like the #5 that is missing, but the NamUs chart indicates the missing tooth as #4. The #5 is tilted back into the space left by the missing #4, thereby leaving a gap between #5 and #6.

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    I'm not sure how she would have gotten from California to Delaware, but the timeline is good, the height is spot-on, and she sure looks like the recon.

    I'd say call it in. Hal Brown is a nice guy, so I'm sure you will get a respectful ear.


    BTW, here are the links to Arisoneide's Charley page, and the UID's NamUs and DoeNet pages.

    Arisoneide Oliveira Gosselin http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gosselin_arisoneide.html
    NamUs UP Case 2212 https://identifyus.org/cases/2212
    DoeNetwork Case 701UFDE http://doenetwork.org/cases/701ufde.html

    BTW, this was the only recon that I have ever tried doing based only on a skull.

    The only thing I took from the other recon was the hairstyle.
     
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    tamar New Member

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    Carl, I was wondering about how you did the reconstruction, because I knew you didn't really base it on the original. I was hoping you had seen postmortem photos, but then I realized the remains were skeletal. Excellent work! Please keep it up. Your reconstructions bring a glimmer of life & hope.

    Thank you.

    With deep respect,

    Tamar
     
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    tamar New Member

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    p.s. I noticed that there are several photos of the skull on NamUS... would you be willing to do an overlay of the skull on Gosselin's photos?? Even her profile shot could be used, I think.
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I was looking at the recon that was available in DoeNet, and when I saw the skulls in NamUs, I tried to overlay them over the recon. The skull didn't align at all to the official recon.

    I had been wondering to myself whether I would be to do a recon based only on a skull. I knew from the other reconstruction what her hair looked like, so I gave it a shot. Of course, I don't have charts of standard tissue depths like the experts use, but I showed it to Hal Brown, along with this image demonstrating the alignment of her facial features to the skull.

    [​IMG][​IMG]

    He liked it, and went ahead and put it up on NamUs, and sent it to DoeNet and asked them to put it side-by-side with the other recon.

    A Gosselin Odessa Skull Overlay - YouTube

    ETA: Arisoneide's head is turned a degree or two to her left (making her right cheek appear very slightly larger than the left cheek), so the lateral alignment is a slight bit off.
     
  13. tamar

    tamar New Member

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    Carl,

    Thank you. Gosselin looks even more like a match now.

    Keep doing those skull recons. Your work is very realistic and somehow less disturbing than many of the other recon styles I've seen.

    I sent an email to Hal Brown, but have not heard back, so I don't know if I should consider this officially submitted yet. Sometimes I never hear back and then I wonder if my email went directly to a junk file.

    I haven't contacted the LE in Turlock tho... I have submitted possible matches in the past to them and never heard back, so I don't know if it's worth trying.
     
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    I just heard back from Hal Brown. He is requesting dental records from Turlock Sheriff Dept. and said he'll contact me when he finds out anything conclusive.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Another point of corroboration can be found in the NamUs images section in the newspaper clipping about the forensic artist that did the original recon.

    It says that the unidentified woman had "may once have given birth to a child". This detail is not indicated in DoeNet or anywhere else in NamUs.

    Arisoneide had one daughter at the time of her disappearance.
     
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    Turlock Detective Bertram wrote me today to say that dental records have been compared and are not a match.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    In an e-mail pertaining to a different case, Hal Brown mentioned this case and said the following regarding Arisoneide Oliveira Gosselin

    He also said the following in a subsequent e-mail.

     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Since this skull has all of the teeth which were present at the time of death, I decided that I should show them in the reconstruction.

    I revised this recon, and did a lot more work to give her a more lifelike appearance.

    [​IMG]
     
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    What do you think of Glenda Fields as a possibility?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2500dftn.html

    Unfortunately, there is not much to go on but the teeth are what jumped out at me. It's very unusual to see a gap at the top of the teeth and come together and it appears the Glenda has a similar gap to the UID. The timeline also would be accurate as it mentions that the UID had been there a time period greater than three months.
     
  20. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Could be. Too bad there isn't much more info on her, such as height.

    Here's her Charley page with a little bit of extra info in "Details of Disappearance", but not much more.
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fields_glenda.html
     
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    I know- I couldn't find anything about height either which discourages me about them finding any information (dental or dna) for Glenda that could be used to match her up to the UID. What does LE do in situations like this? Do they attempt to locate a family member of the missing to receive a DNA sample? As sad as it is, my guess is that if they don't strongly believe that the missing person may be the UID then they won't waste the time, money and effort to gather this information. Do you think this is generally true?
     

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