DE - Smyrna, Wht/HispFemale, 2-5, 'Baby Elle', ball field, 13 Sept 2019 - Emma Cole *arrests*

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  1. PayrollNerd

    PayrollNerd Well-Known Member

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    Emma had an appointed guardian at birth (Indiana) so what happened to that person?

    The couple was evicted in fall 2019 after Emma’s death.

    Delaware cops say remains found last year belong to girl, 3; couple charged

    The Wilmington News Journal reported Thursday that Kristie Haas was Emma’s mother, citing Indiana court records.

    Fox News found the court records involved the appointment of a guardian for Emma shortly after her birth. Kristie Haas was using the name Kristie Cole at the time.

    Police believe Emma had been dead several weeks when they found her body in a park in Smyrna with softball fields in September 2019.

    The News Journal reported that a month later Kristie Haas and her husband were evicted from a house they lived in near the fields.
     


  2. Lusitana

    Lusitana Well-Known Member

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    That is so sad.
     
  3. forthelost

    forthelost I hear the angels call my name and I am Winterborn

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    Maybe it's cystic fibrosis?
     
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  4. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    Possibly. Health literacy is not really this country's strong suit if you get my drift.
     
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  6. PayrollNerd

    PayrollNerd Well-Known Member

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    Emma's DNA verified the immune disorders per LE. I would not be surprised if LE contacted doctors and pediatricians to see if they had any patients resembling the sketch that would have had such a rare illness.
     
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    So, what does this all mean?
     
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  9. Lusitana

    Lusitana Well-Known Member

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    Yep, it sounds like Emma had a autoimmune disease, which to be honest, doesn't tell us much because it could've been so many different things with various degrees of severity. None of this means that Emma was in a terminal state. People with autoimmune diseases, for the most part, are able to live pretty long lives, many go into "remission" and don't have any symptoms for years once they start treatment. So, I don't really have any reason to believe that Emma was in a terminal state, if she didn't get any treatment though, whatever she had might have caused her death. The other option would be if she did receive treatment and stopped at some point, maybe had some complications and passed away. Treatment for any autoimmune disease is probably extremely expensive in the US.
    Do we know what their charges are already? Because, if she was abused in any way, they will obviously reflect that. I'm feeling inclined to a death cause by lack of medical attention, maybe. I just can't imagine anyone disposing of a little girl's body that passed away on those circumstances. Maybe she was dead for a long time until they noticed. Such a sad, confusing case.
     
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  10. ChatteringBirds

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    They lived not far from the fields where they left her, and no one local put 2 & 2 together? That is sad, too.

    (Edited out examples of what I meant by "locals". I don't want to blame anyone in particular for not realizing it could be her without knowing why they didn't.)
     
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  11. PayrollNerd

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    Bankruptcy twice in one year for consumer debt? I didn't think that was possible but I'm not up to speed with filing bankruptcy either.

    Eviction couldn't have been long after Emma's death. I wonder if the oldest child asked questions about where Emma was or remembers anything about that time period.

    Pennsylvania couple arrested more than a year after the remains of 3-year-old girl found at Delaware softball field

    Detectives said Emma had been dead for “several weeks or possibly longer” by the time she was found.

    When Emma’s remains were discovered nearly 13 months ago, Brandon and Kristie were residing in Smyrna, just more than a mile away from the Little Lass softball complex. They were evicted from the single-story house in October 2019.

    According to court records, they twice filed for bankruptcy the same year due to “consumer debt.”
     
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  12. bombardier

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    There's no way this child never received treatment for a serious condition (may or may not be pulmonary or cystic fibrosis), right? I'm not familar with healthcare in the states, but at birth children are matched to a pediatrician or family doctor or whatever, right? Even if the parents don't have one? And check-ups are mandated? You can't really have a child whose medically "off the grid", I hope...
    If this little one had any kind of medical care, I am wondering how the system didn't notice her absence. It's been a year.
     
  13. Lusitana

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    I still don't know how old she actually was. If, when she was born, and during her first few months she didn't really have any symptoms, no doctor would check for an autoimmune disease, in my opinion. If she started showing symptoms and they took her to the doctor, there are records for sure, if she was ever diagnosed with anything I have a hard time believing that there were not extensive medical records. The thing is, autoimmune diseases are really hard to diagnose, specially in the early stages, more often than not, the symptoms come and go, sometimes people don't have any symptoms for a long period of time and then, boom there's another flare and the symptoms are back. So, if a kiddo is complaining about an headache but it eventually goes away, and a few weeks later it's the tummy that hurts but it also eventually gets better, but then the head is hurting again, I can see parents not really get super alarmed until something really bad happens. I wonder what the cause of death was.
     
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    In the case summary above (post #267), Emma's guardian case was opened 7/8/2016 which was at birth so she was probably 3 years old at the time of death. If she had an immediate guardian, I'd say there was some type of testing at birth or in the following days. Probably toxicology but there's no way to know unless LE/MSM/court records show it.
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    Best it's super easy for them to disappear.
     
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    RSBM.

    In the US there are a lot of individual freedoms in child rearing. You can have a baby at home, homeschool them from a young age, choose whether or not to vaccinate them, and essentially never take them a doctor...I would definitely consider some kids 'off the grid' and have heard stories about when these kids grow up, leave home, try to obtain things like a bank account, a college education, an apartment ect. and don't have so much as a government issued birth certificate (which is your official record of birth!)

    I grew up in a state that has religious groups who believe in "Faith healing" -in which they claim praying or performing rituals over the sick or injured person will cure them. There are religious exemptions in child abuse laws "when medical treatment for a child conflicts with the religious beliefs of parent." In some instances of faith healing, children have died or become permanently disabled when their parents refused to seek medical care for them. The parents are not held accountable, as they believe they are curing their children with prayer...

    It does raise a thought...The social media I've seen of the parents seems to suggest they are religious and have interest in homeschooling their children (sometimes also a coverup for child abuse but absolutely not always). It's unknown to me if they vaccinate, but for a child with any serious or autoimmune type illness, being vaccinated is usually very important. Steroids are used a lot in treatment of these illnesses, lowering the body's ability to fight infections. None of these medications are kind to the body and I can't imagine what it's like to see your child suffer, especially with all the medication side-effects.

    Did they perhaps go another route and try to cure this sweet child with prayer alone?

    MOO.
     
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    Some interesting comments about where Emma spent her first years!
     
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  19. Lusitana

    Lusitana Well-Known Member

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    I wonder why she was appointed a guardian so soon, was the mother using drugs during the pregnancy? And were the other kids under a guardianship too? Poor kids.
     
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    Man held in Smyrna child’s 2019 death released on bond

    Brandon Haas, 38, held for questioning in connection to his stepdaughter’s death last year, posted bond Friday morning and awaits a preliminary hearing in January, according to an online inmate database.

    Vinelink Delaware showed that Mr. Haas was released from Delaware Department of Correction custody at 1:55 a.m. after bond was posted. The website lists a Jan. 22 preliminary hearing in the Kent County Court of Common Pleas.

    Details on Mr. Haas’s arraignment and charges were not available Friday night. A clerk at Justice of the Peace Court 7 in Dover said a judge there said the records were sealed.
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    Indiana court records show that Emma’s mother is Kristie L. Cole.

    Those records also show that paternity for Emma was established in 2016 and a guardian was appointed for a period of time from September 2016 to September 2017.

    Kristie Cole filed a notice in August 2017 to relocate that was unopposed.

    Man held in Smyrna child’s 2019 death released on bond - Delaware State News
     
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