Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #5

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People are posting that to accidentally fall over the edge would not necessarily mean you would go into the water due to rough terrain/trees, slope...

getting more suspicious.

It's true, there are so many trees, plants, rocks etc along the river over there that it would be so hard to fall and actually end up in the river. If it did happen, you'd definitely leave a path of broken branches and flattened plants. Not to mention the fact that they keep saying that these guys are found without marks on their bodies. I just can't see that happening with all of those rocks and trees in the way.
 

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So what we have is: no one thinks he "fell" into water, not even LE
saw headlights while talking on cell phone
footprint in opposite direction of water
last words " help, oh my god" or something to that effect

Don't you just get that feeling in your gut?

I wonder if or where cell phone will be found, if he will be dressed somehow differently (shirt inside out..) , trauma to body, tox screen.....clothing or shoes missing.

It seems like "they" leave a little clue or calling card in these cases, nothing major ...just a "ha ha, it's me, and you can't catch me"
 

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So what we have is: no one thinks he "fell" into water, not even LE
saw headlights while talking on cell phone
footprint in opposite direction of water
last words " help, oh my god" or something to that effect

Don't you just get that feeling in your gut?

I wonder if or where cell phone will be found, if he will be dressed somehow differently (shirt inside out..) , trauma to body, tox screen.....clothing or shoes missing.

It seems like "they" leave a little clue or calling card in these cases, nothing major ...just a "ha ha, it's me, and you can't catch me"

It's just annoying how the story is always the same. With this one at least it was like okay...if he shows up in the river it's obvious that something is going on. There were too many things that made it seem like he didn't fall into the river.

It's a gross feeling. I grew up in that area and know it well.
 

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prayers for the Zamlen family.
This has got to stop. I wish they would do the autopsy quick. Has anyone gone down by the river to see if there is any smiley face graffiti? I was on St Clair Ave, but didn't get a chance to go down there. I really want to.
 

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prayers for the Zamlen family.
This has got to stop. I wish they would do the autopsy quick. Has anyone gone down by the river to see if there is any smiley face graffiti? I was on St Clair Ave, but didn't get a chance to go down there. I really want to.

Someone said they have found a smiley face in an "o" in the work "yelloh" in that area. It was in the comments here http://sfkillers.com/?p=572&cpage=3#comments

Here is the picture of it.
 

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possible suspects that I have read from many internet forums-

Pedophile Preists

Trane HVAC technicians

Satanists

Muslim cab drivers

Dealers of Death Gang

Latin Kings

Native Americans

Police officers

Juggalos

does anyone think that any of these groups could be doing this?
 

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possible suspects that I have read from many internet forums-

Pedophile Preists

Trane HVAC technicians

Satanists

Muslim cab drivers

Dealers of Death Gang

Latin Kings

Native Americans

Police officers

Juggalos

does anyone think that any of these groups could be doing this?

Yes.I think this is big enough that a few of those categories could apply to the smiley face murders. I can see why there might be a strong connection to the Chicago area .I don't see any evidence the latin kings are involved except that some graffiti is similar to what a latin gang would leave.Anyone could make a latin gang symbol.Manson wanted to create a race war,maybe some killers were hoping for the same by creating suspicion.I am the one with the Trane Theory BTW,but I think it is bigger than one or two air conditioning technicians killing people.My video is on youtube with a link to my blog.I will not be coming back here because of the accusations made here .I have found you can have a more civil discussion elsewhere without some attention *advertiser censored* always making accusations(Blink34)I guess you have to expect this when you put out theories.Someone will always want to attack the messenger.Oh well Flame away.It will not stop me.I really do not want to argue with any one.It is bad enough law enforcement will not look at the cases as a whole.Fighting will get us no where.I would rather put a theory out and be proven wrong later on than not try to sort this all out and do nothing.I hope this place because more civil for the sake of the victims.
 

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I'm sorry you are not coming back to post tenneguy, I like exploring theories.


These deaths have really bothered me.

There was a quote at one of the places where a victim was found (Ken Christiansen) that said....

"you can't see what you are not looking for" so what are we not looking for?

Are we not looking for murder when cases are ruled accidental?
 

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My experience here has been good and civil so far. I am sorry u feel that way, I think your Trane Technician is a very good theory. I have tried to follow Godlike Productions, but people there get way too off topic.
I live in the Twin City area (St Paul/Mpls) and I am worried that the suspects live around here. I hope more people put up a stink for Dan Z and insist that the police look into foul play.
 

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My experience here has been good and civil so far. I am sorry u feel that way, I think your Trane Technician is a very good theory. I have tried to follow Godlike Productions, but people there get way too off topic.
I live in the Twin City area (St Paul/Mpls) and I am worried that the suspects live around here. I hope more people put up a stink for Dan Z and insist that the police look into foul play.

It's unsettling isn't it? I grew up in South Minneapolis and lived there until just recently. This was way too close to home. My son used to go to a school right across the river from where Dan disappeared.

eta: I can't follow that glp thread anymore either. The most recent few pages make my brain hurt.
 

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Of the victims found with no trauma to the body, who had been drinking but were young and healthy---------what are we missing----drugged, but with what........

Drugged with something that would daze them, then were they paralyzed and put into the water. Some type of muscle relaxant that would not show on a tox. screen unless you were SPECIFICALLY looking for it.

Anectine/Succinylcholine? Would have to test for this specifically. Incapacitates for about 5 min. ? Thoughts?
 

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It is probably easier to just read the Trane Theory blog on wordpress.GLP comments are on it.I know what you mean about GLP.someone posted page after page of a catholic connection.i am interested in what they have to say but i would like it shorter and to the point.This case makes my head spin.it looks like it may be very complex .I think some of the killers may be former victims leaving clues.Possibly Mormons that were abducted and sold to a Catholic pedophile organization by the same person that abducted Steven Staynor.I don't think they just drown victims either.This is probably nationwide.It seems strange right after I contacted an LA detective that story came out about the serial killer there.I do not think it is a coincidence.I do not get communication back. someone might want more answers but they won't tell me anything.I explained to him why I thought there was an LA connection .I hope this is not a cover up.Families need to put out contact information so people can contact them.Something might make more sense to them than it does to me.I think a lot of people can be behind this.Priests,abductees,technicians and even the government.
 

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I think in some cases victims are druged with something that causes them to get agitated easily.It would help keep things moving along should it be difficult to lure the victim away from the bar.Then someone would say something to offend them on purpose.Someone calls a cab that may not even be a cab but the victim is drugged and drunk so all it would take really is the power of suggestion,especially if it is a young woman escorting him to the cab.
 

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BTW I think Blink 34 would fit the profile.I think this place has probably had more than a few killers on it trying to steer the conversation
 

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These cases make my head spin also. There are so many possibilities and so many patterns and coincidences, too many, to be just that.


I think whoever is behind this.........reads these sites.......just my gut feeling.


There could even be copycats because of all of the stories online. Just the physical spread and logistics of these cases make it difficult to solve and prove connections with so little evidence. Taunting clues, but very little evidence.
 

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did you ever think he just fell in and drown?at least his family can hav some kind a closure :)
 

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No not really, because of the details of the case...I don't think he just fell in and drowned.
 

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if you look at the landscape pics, it wouldn't be so easy just to fall in. From where they think he disappeared, he would have to roll down a bluff, hit trees and walk in the river. Interesting that they never found the cell phone. The friend Dan called said it sounded like he was getting further and further away from his phone until it went dead. Then the phone was off, but it worked 6 hours after he disappeared. If he fell in, the phone would have went dead right away. Many things just don't seem to fit an accidental drowning. Just like the Chris Jenkins case and many others.
The catholic theory is interesting.
I have read some threads from topix and some guy named "Detroit" named one of his acquaintances by full name as the killer. If he isn't right, he could easily get sued for slander. He also says that the guy "Gary" killed JahnBenet though. I think he could be off his rocker, but u never know. Right now any theory is plausible until we get some hard evidence.
I think the GHB date rape drug was used in some of the murders. They usually don't test for it in autopsies and will be out of the body after 72 hours.
U do have to wonder if they read all these posts though.
Maybe they saw Kristi P on the news and decided to do another one from MN just to spite her.
 

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Brown.........that was one of my questions, did they find the cell phone, I couldn't find an answer to that....it is very interesting if, as you noted, they did not.

There seems to be some religious aspect to these or spiritual, with the missing religious jewelry and the Native American symbols.

I wonder if GHB would still be in body if they died before 72 hours were up i.e. body couldn't metabolize and eliminate drug if death had already occurred.
 
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