Deborah's mother died when Deborah was 15 - what impact would this have?

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It may affect different teens differently but in their adult life, starting their own families it's an important part of the usual support system which is missing. Maternal grandmothers are quite often very important people in the children's lives and a comfortable source of experienced advice and help, volunteer babysitting etc. for the young mother. Being deprived of that support might make it more stressful to learn how to parent.


I remember reading about a historical/genealogical study which found that in the 19th century long-lived maternal grandmothers had a positive effect on the reproductive success of their daughters, more children survived in adulthood. Life was very different back then but I think grandmas are still important. Of course there may be other relatives and friends who can offer the same kind of support and not all grandmothers are capable of helping their adult children.
 
I do not think anyone would KNOW how anyone would be affected by the death of their Mother in the teen years. But this I do know, part of the grieving process includes anger and resentment, some really blame the deceased for leaving them. Kinda narcissistic don't you think? Especially, if that is something you can never overcome.
Also resentment at being left the eldest? some food for thought there.
Unlike Angleena and KittyTwist ( and their heartfelt posts) some folks just aren't "normal" no ability to bounce back, or they constantly desire the drama, the pity?
 
My mother died in 1981, I was 15 years old.

I have tried over and over to post something to share some insight with everyone as to what that was like. Each time I do, I am overwhelmed by emotions and unable to clear my thoughts enough to write them down.

It's not something that you can explain to someone. A survivor of the titanic can tell you what happened because everything that happened was a physical event. Grief is an internal emotional event and very hard to explain how each individual relates to it. There is a Phenomena that happens to teenage girls that lose their mothers, it's not a normal emotional event because teenagers have immature emotions that are all over the place to begin with, then you add the loss of the primary nurturer and something very strange happens to a young girl that must learn to become her own mother. I have seen it happen to boys who have lost their mother when they were teens too (my husband's mother committed suicide when he was 16).

There is a book that addresses the subject of women who lost their mothers when they were teenagers, it's called "Motherless Daughters". The book was written because it's a very different kind of grief that affects your entire life.

I will try to add some insight to some of the thoughts that have been posted.

---Losing a mother can cause someone to be more dependent on men.
The answer is yes it can but it depends on the situation. My sister is 4 years older than me and very dependent on men. She is currently in an abusive relationship that she refuses to leave because she is afraid she cannot make it on her own without a man. She was closer to my mother than I was. After my mom died, my father became a drunk and basically left me an orphan. At 16 I quit school, got my GED, went to work full time and got my own apartment (I was legally emancipated at the age of 16). I know I can make it without a man.

--parenting
My daughter and I are very close...in fact she lives in the basement apartment of my house. Experiencing her teenage years was a unique experience for me...it was like experiencing it for the first time myself. I can still remember her first broken heart, I cuddled her and told her that he was just a dumb guy that was to blind to see how wonderful she was. Part of that comes from it being true but part of it comes from wishing I had a mother that would have said something like that to me when my heart was broken. I think a lot of my parenting skills came more from what I wished I would have had from my mother rather than from what I had actually experienced.

--grieving
I can certainly understand why Deborah would state that they are grieving. If she hasn't completely healed from her mother's death, any significant loss will open up those scars and you experience those original feelings from your mother's death all over again...on top of the new feelings of loss. I was 30 years old before I had finally completely healed. Most of the emotions I feel on the subject of my mother's death now are overwhelming feelings of gratitude and faith.

--I do specifically remember when I was around the age of 24, I felt like I had completely lost my own identity. I was a stay at home mom and I was mother and wife. I was no longer me and really had no idea who I was anymore. I had to start spending some time being me and I would guess that is what Deborah considers to be her adult time. For me, I chose to get a job outside the home and to also do some volunteer work in the community.

About 6 years ago I went and got my first tattoo on my back. It's a broken wreath of 3 roses and one rose bud. The roses for my grandmother, my mother and me and the rose bud for my daughter. Inside the wreath it says Laugh, Love, Live. A year later I added a mirror image of that tattoo with the words Hope, Faith, Serenity. Three years ago I got my last tattoo of a single yellow rose above my thumb in memory of my mother (she belonged to a sorority and the yellow rose was their flower, I always remembered a single yellow rose in a vase on our kitchen table). I tell you this because I swore I would never ever get a tattoo and yet, the memory of my mother and the affect her death had on my life is so powerful....that putting a permanent scar on my flesh where I could see it and own it was part of the process of healing the scars on my soul that I could only feel.

I do have to totally agree with what Abby Normal has to say when it comes to parenting.

You were able to explain what I wanted to explain with so much more clarity. Thank you. I had a lump in my throat reading it, it's amazing after all these years how raw the emotions of everything are.

I was going to say exactly what you said about men and dependency. Like you, I was emancipated and living on my own by 16. I'm fiercely independent. My father also gave way to alcohol.

What I bolded on "parenting" is also true to my experience also. My parenting skills came from what I wish I'd had. I'm very very in tune to my girls and we are very very close- I need to be their mother as much as they need a mother.

I also went through that lost phase as a SAHM. I was about 24-26 at the height of it. Around 28 I started to really figure it all out, and "come into my own" as a mother.

Just in case this idea of being "lost" come off as me saying she was mentally unstable, I want to clarify that it was not a sad or depressing thing, I was just overly invested in my children. I didn't have a babysitter for years after becoming a parent, and I don't live by any family. Everything in my life was about my kids, and creating the family I wish I'd had. By lost, I mean that i sorta forgot that "me-the-woman" also had a role to play in my life and in order to find normal balance, I had to make a point to invest in myself as well.

I went back to school as a way to dedicate time to myself though. I've never been much of a drinker, and can't imagine it being fulfilling at all.
 
Debra, at the age of 15, couldn't possibly be the chief caretaker of her two younger brothers as she is still a child herself and could not finanicially support herself or her siblings.

I would think there had to be a father, grandparents, aunts and uncles to step in to care for all the children.

Teenagers are affected by death in many ways, as well as teens affected by parents splitting up and getting a divorce and never seeing a parent.

Teenagers at the age of 15 become parents and manage, in a majority of cases, to raise their children with help from the family.

I don't feel because Debra lost her mother at the age of 15 would shed any light on Lisa's disappearance.

BBM....I agree. My parents got divorced when I was 7 and my dad was murdered when I was 12. I think I turned out just fine and I definitely wouldn't do any harm to my kids because of what happened when I was young.
 
Deborah's mother died when Deborah was 15 - what impact would this have?

It might make her a LOT more protective over her younger brother.
 
I just talked to my husband a little about this this morning.

For him and I, our lives also had a hidden fear for a long time. Afraid to love someone for fear they would leave. A fear to have something good because it would eventually end. That fear was the basis for a lot of the bad decisions. We both admit that we would enter into relationships with people who were emotionally unavailable for whatever reasons....which assured they would eventually leave or we would have to leave. I suppose it gave us some sense of control in our lives.

When my child was born, the only baby sitter she had was a good friend I had known for several years and even lived with at one point and I only had her babysit because I was a single mother and working or going to college. Other than that, I only left my daughter with family members. I generally just did not go anywhere that I couldn't take my daughter.

My sister developed a huge fear with her daughter. It was a strange fear because she didn't have that same fear with her older son when he was born. She held her daughter when she slept, she pretty much held her all the time. I asked her why she didn't put her in her bed and she said, "I'm afraid if I let her go she will go away".

There are two ways to look at it depending on where Deborah is at in dealing with her mother's death. She could have set herself up to lose that which she loved or she could be innocent and experiencing the biggest fear of her life and reliving the loss of her mother at the same time.....and having the reaffirmation that if you love someone, they will leave no matter if she is guilty or innocent.

Or her mother's death could have nothing to do with anything at all.
 
I don't feel that it had any effect on Lisa's disappearance, except maybe the cause of the mother's drinking...

From personal experience: my husband's sister died young of cancer. She left 4 kids age range 15- 21. The youngest, who was 15, came to live with us for 6 months. I was a mother figure to her, and she has older sisters and other women in her life. She has straightened her life out, got her GED and now is employed at a major hospital as an Ultrasound tech. She's responsible and pays her bills. She also has 4 kids, and is a very good mother to them.
 
Some random thoughts on how her mother's death might have influenced Deborah's future behaviors and/or motherhood:

*Besides caring for her two younger brothers, DB probably felt like she was expected to assume the other duties of the wife/mother in the household - cleaning house, cooking, doing laundry, etc. This would be lot of responsibility for a high school student, so I'd like to know just how much she was expected to do or if her dad hired someone to take care of the house, cook, etc.?

*With a lot of responsibility thrust upon her to care for her younger brothers and/or household chores, Deborah might have not had time for the usual activities of a typical high school student. DB might feel that she was deprived of her teen years, hence the reason for insisting on "adult time" when she is caring for three young children in the Irwin household.

*Since Deborah was put in the position of caring for her two younger brothers, she may have enjoyed the "only daughter" status in the family if her dad doted on her especially after the loss of his wife. Perhaps DB feels a special maternal bond with her son and JI's son because they are the reincarnation of her "younger brothers" and the relationship that she had with them as a teenager. Baby Lisa might have not been as welcome into the family unit as some might think. jmo

This is a very interesting theory.
 
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