Dina Shacknai: "Parental Disclosure Act" Proposal

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  1. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201308/split-decision/

    BBM. The language in this article about the progress of this proposal for a bill is somewhat misleading, IMO.

    It appears that the reason the bill "did not make it to committee" is that the "bill" is not yet really a bill. There is no record (that I can find) of this "bill" being submitted "in the hopper" (or "jacketed" is the term, in some states) to receive an official number. Therefore, it did not receive a first or second reading in the AZ House or Senate, and therefore could not be referred to any committee.

    Essentially, it is still in the very early/ preliminary "talking about it", thinking about it, writing it, and getting signatures phase. IMO, this proposal has a very long way to go legislatively before even being referred to committee for possible hearings.

    And one has to wonder what effect the fact that Dina Shacknai has been named in a $10 million wrongful death civil lawsuit will have on the progress of the proposed bill next session.

    Also, it's interesting to remember that the author of this, Craig Outhier is the husband of a former co-worker of Dina Shacknai (Lisa Elder Outhier), and the author of the "Boy Interrupted" article about Dina's response to Max's death.


    Info on the sponsor identified in the article, AZ State Senator Nancy Barto (R)

    http://www.azleg.gov/MembersPage.asp?Member_ID=7&Legislature=50&Session_ID=102

    http://nancybarto.com/wordpress/?page_id=21

    **The next link is NOT the Parental Disclosure proposal-- an example of recent legislation authored by AZ State Senator Barto.

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/bill-requires-parents-to-get-exs-ok-to-move-199768771.html

    Link to video produced by Maxie's House for the Parental Disclosure proposal.

    [video=youtube;og7LXLkMhpw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7LXLkMhpw[/video]

    AZ Bill process

    www.azleg.gov/alisPDFs/BillToLaw.pdf
     
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  3. time

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    Thank you for this thread! Was it you who had an excellent post about this bill and/or the goal of it in another thread? I don't know how to find that post, but if I find it or anyone else, I'd love to see it put here.
     
  4. cynic

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    Discussion about the bill started with a post by *Lash*
    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dina's KTAR Interview

    Then it was moved to the “Maxie’s House” thread with several replies on page three.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193822&page=3
     
  5. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Bringing this old post from *Lash* over from the Maxie's House thread.

    03-12-2013, 02:56 PM
    *Lash*
     
  6. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Bringing my old post over. (The discussion was in response to the video released by Maxie's House on Youtube, "Parental Disclosure Act". (Link in first post in this thread.)

    Old 03-13-2013, 11:00 AM
    K_Z

     
  7. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    03-13-2013, 03:21 PM
    *Lash*
     
  8. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    07-19-2013, 07:04 pm
    k_z

    K_Z's comments:
    (I don't know why copy and paste dropped all the capital letters in the quoted areas, but I haven't the inclination to fix them now!)
     
  9. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    I have to throw in these comments, as they are directly related to Dina's quest for the "Parental Disclosure Act".

    If the "Parental Disclosure Act" had been a law or statute at the time Dina and Jonah were dating and married, Jonah's first ex wife Kimberly would have been "entitled" to background checks on Dina. Dina has used several names in the past-- would she have voluntarily provided "one form" of identification to Jonah's ex wife Kimberly, so Kimberly could have run background checks on her before they were married?

    Dina had fairly regular contact with Kimberly and Jonah's 2 minor children. Using Dina's ideas about what should be done with information discovered in ongoing "background checks", should Kimberly have taken Jonah to court to prevent Dina from having any contact with their minor children? After all, there were several instances of violent behavior on the part of Dina where police were called and reports filed. (Links below.)

    Does Dina believe she should have been under court order to not have any contact with these minor children due to her unstable, impulsive, violent behavior? After all, she acted out with her own minor child present in the home, and at one point actually flung herself on the hood of a moving car. Are we all just supposed to drink her koolaid, listen to her false narrative, and pretend none of that ever happened?

    Having this documented history of domestic violence, IMO, renders Dina uniquely unqualified to advocate for safety of children in "blended families". How, exactly, does Dina believe that she is an authentic "voice" to advocate for children of divorce?? She is delusional, IMO, and surrounded by enablers.

    It boggles the mind that ANY legislator would risk their reputation and career in politics to become associated with a person promoting a law that promotes "stalking" of the friends and associates of their ex-spouse. Particularly when the person promoting the "ex- wife's stalking law" actually DID stalk the new GF of her ex husband-- and then is named in a wrongful death lawsuit for responsibility for the death of that GF in a particularly gruesome manner. So.... a shoplifting charge versus multiple instances of domestic violence--which would the courts decide is the better situation for a child?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Shacknai-violent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html

    http://www.kpho.com/story/15104053/shacknais-ex-wife-blames-family-dog-in-domestic-violence-reports

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/arizona_millionaire_shacknai_responds_Q0qC3BQdUurdhMIPrmBn2O

    http://www.10news.com/news/shacknais-respond-to-reports-detailing-past-marital-troubles

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...hacknai-domestic-fights-parents-max-shacknai/

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/18/death-of-shacknai-boy-sparks-investigation/

    http://www.cbs8.com/story/15103319/reports-allege-history-of-domestic-violence-in-shacknai-home
     
  10. time

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    Thank you cynic, Lash, and KZ for the links and reposting.

    And, KZ, I completely agree:

    This is exactly the kind of behavior that IS notable and of concern in a blended family. Let Dina go ahead and open this can of worms for herself. Plus, I don't think having an affair with a married man is good for his children. And, I have never heard of someone going by an alias so the ex wife doesn't realize you are the same person who was doing this. That's pretty low and cowardly.
     
  11. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    I'm guessing from Dina's ccomments in the Phoenix Magazine article that AZ Senator Barto has given Dina clear permission to use her name in press releases or articles about the Parental Disclosure proposal.

    Because it would not be good for Dina OR the proposed bill if Senator Barto hasn't explicitly given permission for her name to be used publicly in conjunction with discussion of this proposal.

    Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from State Senator Barto about her thoughts on the proposal for the Parental Disclosure bill? I, for one, would be very interested to hear what Senator Barto has to say about the progress of this proposed bill, and which other AZ legislators are supporting the language for the bill.

    In my experience working with legislators in my state, they typically would not appreciate being identified publicly as a sponsor for a proposed bill, especially a controversial proposal, unless they had made a clear and public commitment to that proposed bill themselves. It is "blindsiding" a legislator to name drop them "too early" as a sponsor for a bill, if the details for that bill aren't already worked out, with the legislator clearly on board. And that usually means there have been MANY meetings with the legislator and their staff. It is wise never to misconstrue a legislator's receptivity until it is abundantly clear the legislator intends to publicly support "your" issue. And if a legislator sponsors, or intends to sponsor legislation (especially controversial proposals), they will usually make an announcement themselves from their office. (And that is after they have had hallway consults with other legislators to gauge support from their legislative peers.)

    Is there a collaborative committee that is working on the language in the proposed bill? Legislators almost never write bill language themselves; it is typically a collaborative process with many, many experienced stakeholders participating.

    What other social service and public safety groups are supporting this proposed bill? Other than Dina and Maxie's House, who is lobbying in support of this proposal?

    If I were on the BOD for Maxie's House, I would ask Senator Barto to stand with our group and do a press conference about the Parental Disclosure proposal for a bill. Session is over now, so legislators often have more time for media appearances.

    I think public discussion of this bill proposal would be a very good thing for Arizonans, and may help Senator Barto make decisions about the language and introduction process for the proposed bill. An engaged electorate is a good thing, and if this is good for AZ, Senator Barto will want her name clearly associated with it. That's helpful to legislators at re-election time, right?
     
  12. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    Thank you for all the info KZ! I agree the article is misleading as Maxie's law is not a bill at this time, has not been assigned a number and is simply at the proposal stage. Not even complete.

    Senator Nancy Barto has introduced and helped pass several bills concerning the protection of children and as stated is a leader for AZ families. She is a member of the Public Safety and Human Services committee. I found a bill she sponsored, SB1072. The bill is interesting as it is dealing with the rights of parents and parent time in regards to relocation. After reading this bill, I can see the likelihood Sen. Barto would sponsor the Parental Disclosure Act. Of course we don't know how Dina being named a defendant in the civil suit may affect further movement of this proposal. If there is an out of court settlement, I believe Dina's alleged involvement in the suit would be forgiven, just as Dina's own DV that occurred while children were in the home has been overlooked.

    SB1072 - Rights of each parent; parenting time; relocation of child; exception; enforcement; access to prescription medication and records

    http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/sb1072p.pdf
     
  13. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Correct, Lash-- Senator Barto has supported a number of proposals and bills that have to do with families and children.

    I'm hopeful we will see the BOD of Maxie's House give a press conference together with Senator Barto. But if that doesn't happen, perhaps an enterprising reporter/s could query her office staff about what her position is on the Parental Disclosure proposal. It would be especially helpful to see an interview with Senator Barto where she is asked questions about the provisions Dina has discussed in her Phoenix Magazine article, and what Senator Barto is aware of about Dina's documented domestic violence history, and her present situation.

    I'd also be interested in hearing what Senator Barto has to say about the fact that the child Max, for whom Maxie's House is named, was never the victim of any sort of abuse that can be substantiated, and that Maxie's House has linked his very sad and tragic accidental fall to the horrific violent crimes of sex abuse, kidnapping, and murder for children who were TRUE violent crime victims, like Megan Kanka. That is exploitation, IMO. And IMO, that is absolutely despicable.

    The "parental disclosure" proposal is a solution for only one thing-- satisfying the ongoing vindictive vendetta of Dina Shacknai against her ex-husband's dead and murdered GF, Rebecca Zahau, IMO. This is not something, IMO, that any prudent legislator should support.

    Max was a victim of a terrible accident-- that alone is bad enough. He was not a victim of any kind of crime. It's very sad to me that Dina missed a golden opportunity to structure a nonprofit that could actually make a difference-- one that is aimed at household safety for children, particularly stairwell safety, or even working to ensure railings in historic buildings should be modified for children's safety.

    But instead, IMO, she exploits his accidental death in creating a false narrative about Rebecca, and then bases her nonprofit in the child's name on this false narrative. IMO, that is exploitation for her own vindictive purposes. It does not honor the memory of who Max really way or how he really died, IMO.
     
  14. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Here is a link to Senator Barto's personal website, which lists a section on how all of her 2013 bills did. Here is what happened to SB 1072:

    http://nancybarto.com/wordpress/?page_id=21

    Senator Barto is up for re-election in 2014.

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Nancy_K._Barto

    This source says her committee assignments in the 2013 session were Elections, Health and Human Services, and Judiciary.
     
  15. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Arizona has some of the strictest lobbyist rules in the country. In any of the 50 states, whenever “your” group has decided to pursue a direct relationship with a legislator for the purposes of influencing any type of bill—proposed or “live” in session, it is necessary to do some homework and research about how to participate in the process so that your organization is clearly within the law. (Going about influencing things the "wrong" way is a surefire method to have your ideas or issues killed early in the legislative process.)

    Basically, in AZ, anyone who contacts a legislator for the purpose of influencing any type of legislation, or proposed legislation, must be a registered lobbyist in Arizona. AZ has over 7,500 registered lobbyists.

    Anyone who is not strictly and only a private citizen representing only themselves is required to be registered with the Secretary of State of Arizona, and file quarterly expenditure reports (among other lobbyist responsibilities outlined by law). Anyone representing any organization, public, private, or nonprofit, must be registered.

    No one on the Maxie’s House Board of Directors is listed in the Arizona SOS Lobbyist database, which is easily searchable. Specifically, Dina Shacknai, in her role as Executive Director of the non-profit, Maxie’s House, and who is speaking very publicly about her relationship with AZ State Senator Nancy Barto for the purpose of promoting proposed legislation “Parental Disclosure”, is not listed in the lobbyist database. And no one else is listed as representing Maxie's House.

    I wonder why no one from Maxie’s House is registered as a lobbyist for that organization? Have they hired a professional lobbyist?

    There are legal consequences (misdemeanors) for not registering. Surely, with 2 attorneys on the BOD, someone should be all over this, right?

    Now that Dina has “name dropped” AZ State Senator Nancy Barto in a public interview as the sponsor for the legislation Maxie’s House is promoting, Maxie’s House is required to have a principal lobbyist identified and registered. I recommend that they better get right on that little project, right? :)

    Here's a link with more information, for any interested.

    http://www.azsos.gov/election/Lobbyist/

    Edited to add: David Bodney (BOD for MH) is listed as an INACTIVE lobbyist for the Children's Action Alliance, terminated 1-15-2009. Not current, and not associated with Maxie's House

    http://www.azsos.gov/scripts/Lobbyist_Search.dll/ZoomLOB?LOB_ID=3206368
     
  16. screecher

    screecher "Dina is going to kill me!"

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    Going with Dina Romano's past actions...not knowing what and how to get to where she wants or just doing it her way (Maxs H.O.U.S.E., various interviews, giving her speech where she declared herself a scientist) I'm not surprised she and her team are not jumping through all the hoops that need to be jumped through. In fact, it's what I expect.

    If and when she takes the proper steps to reach her goal for any of her projects, I'll probably fall out of my chair.

    It's a good thing she has you K_Z, otherwise she'd be up the creek with no paddle!
     
  17. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    Now that is funny, I don't care who you are...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
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    If Dina had been given info on Rebecca's past what else would she found besides a shop-lifting arrest?

    She'd have found that Becky didn't having a drinking problem & that she didn't do drugs. She'd have found that Becky had never committed a violent crime. She'd have found that Becky had never committed a crime against a child. She'd also have found that Becky had no record of anyone claiming she committed domestic abuse against a partner of family member (something Dina herself can't say).
     
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    I agree, I don't think DZ was ever able to find anything else on Rebecca, neither have I, here or abroad (where DZ no doubt searched too) or she would have already used it to bash Rebecca.

    And, IMHO even if she had, Maxie's death clearly resulted from his Parent's negligence in allowing him to play with the scooter upstairs - apparently even against Rebecca's better judgement if I was to believe the rumours about what RZ told her family about the scooter and playing in the house after the accident. Not sure where I read it, but it might've been here in the forum 'archive'.
     
  20. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    I think you mean what XZ told the detectives about Maxie riding his scooter. Some of this was included in Dr. Bove's report.

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    Bove report - page 6
    http://media.utsandiego.com/news/documents/2012/08/06/Dr.Bove_Report.pdf
     
  21. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    BBM, and snipped for focus.

    *Lash*, in good conscience, I refuse to refer to Dina's proposed legislation using Max's name, because I believe very strongly that Max's memory is being tremendously exploited and dishonored by Dina's efforts to attach his name to this. Jonah hasn't offered his support publicly to these efforts, or stood with Dina in any way to support the foundations of her nonprofit, or Dina's ideas for legislation.

    While I don't always agree with things Jonah Shacknai has done, I do support the premise of the nonprofit he started in Max's name, Max in Motion. That is something I think Max would have approved of, and something that truly honors and respects the little boy who loved soccer so much.

    I will be referring to Dina's project as the "Proposed Parental Disclosure" idea, or perhaps "Dina's bitter ex-wives' stalking bill". It's all about Dina, not Max. Her "ideas" for legislation are based much more on her hate for Rebecca, than her love for Max, (or any other children), IMO.
     

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