Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #12

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If your first exposure to JA was hearing her testify, I could see how you might not understand what the actual situation was. She can sound articulate and intelligent. But she actually displayed more stupidity in the commission and cover up of this crime than I could possibly imagine. There was not one smart move from the time she met TA (if her goal was to get him to marry her), through her behavior after he broke up with her, during the planning of the murder, the commission of the murder, her actions in the immediate aftermath, her ridiculous statements to Flores during interrogation, when she agreed to long interviews with the police sans lawyer, to her changing stories, to her numerous TV interviews. Any idiot knows that when you agree to be interviewed by reporters, you've just increased your chances of saying something incriminating.

She obviously thought she was one clever lady, but if you actually look at her actions, it truly makes you wonder what her IQ is. Just incredibly foolish behavior at every turn.
 
She looks haggard, Like her life. When you look at the first mugshot, Psychosis aside she looks fresh, young, alive..
Now she looks dead, old and haggard. Time and no sun is taking it's toll on her.

The biggest punishment for her is going to be no attention, and no fun. No more outings to court, No more outings at all. She will live her life under a microscope in prison forever.

And she does deserve it. I don't believe she could be rehabilitated ever or that she would never do this again.

It is much safer for the world for her to be looked up for good.
 
casesensitive said:
OK JSS could have wanted the jury to decide on the DP. But I have a problem with this exchange. Firstly TH states that the sources that he had who knew JSS, said that she wanted the DP, and was upset that JA didn't get it. I can't imagine JSS sharing her personal opinion during the trial, so maybe his sources said this after the trial. The female host states that JSS knew that the jury was 11 to 1 for the DP. This is not true. She then states that it is kind of obvious (paraphrasing) that JSS wanted JA to get the DP, because she sent the jury back to deliberate some more. WTH? Every judge on the planet should do this if there is a chance of a hung jury. It doesn't reflect any personal agenda on the judge.

TH doesn't correct her on this, but agrees, and adds that it was like JSS was saying "I don't accept the verdict that you just put out--go get the one I want". Sorry-but he just lost a lot of credibility IMO. I don't even understand what he is talking about.

I do think that JSS was more than happy to give JA LWOP. But that is the only thing that I am confident about. I am giving her credit for that, in spite of the reality that if she hadn't done it--it would have been political suicide for her reelection to the bench. JMO
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I think that inside scoop on the judge's motives and desires is sheer bushwah. It's PR to explain and whitewash the judge's puzzling and egregious behaviour, especially the massive leeway given to relentlessly and repetitively violate Travis' character, life and loved ones, and the suspension of the Constitution for the special cornflake, 281129. For some reason, someone feels the need to do damage control for the judge's sake.

And the fact is, IIRC, the judge behaves in this plodding, 'open till your brains fall out' manner on other of her cases as well.
 
I don't recall when I first became aware of the TA murder, but I believe I also came into the whole thing rather late. I have two questions for the WS veterans:

1)We know JA has some crazies who believe in her innocence. Everything I've read here seems to be from the POV that she is guilty as hell. At any time, were the crazies in force here on WS?

2)Is there any kind of timeline available for reference on the exact order of the attacks on Travis? For example, stab wound to chest, then to arms/hands, then he runs into the bedroom, then gunshot, then..., etc.?
 
I started with this thread when it was still just in "crimes in the news" (under old username that I lost lol) I don't remember any craziness here. There is still debate on the sequence of the stabbings. IMO She stabbed him in the shower, he stumbled out to the sink, she stabbed him some more(back), Travis tried to get away down the hall, she slit his throat, dragged him back to the bathroom, and shot him.
 
Neighbour2013 said:
She's been assigned to a unit....what does it mean?

PV-LUMLEY RESTRV HSG
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Wow. That's the most restrictive area - stands for Restrictive Status Housing Program. Those convicted of "Forbidden Three" acts (serious assaults on staff, serious inmate
on inmate assaults with a weapon and multiple inmates assaulting an inmate with serious injury) and anyone with a mental health score of 3 or higher are there - I think the more violent ones are kept in another area than the mental ones. All movement is in full restraints, property and privileges are limited and placements are reviewed every 30 days.
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
Just dropping by to say that I saw Jodi's booking photo. Nothing gorgeous about her now - not that there ever really was. Jodi has aged significantly since this saga began, and it won't take long for her to deteriorate even more at Perryville. Arias' "glory days" are over, and she will learn to blend in with her fellow inmates or incur their wrath. Enjoy the long, hot summer, Jodi :angel:

As frustrating as the trial was at times, I think Judge Stephens made sure that there were absolutely no - zero,zip, zilch - grounds for successful appeal. I was edified :D to learn that JSS wanted Jodi to get the DP. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Good post, except I do not think we have actually learned anything about what JSS may or may not have wanted. It has been reported that she wanted DP but we should all know by now that something being reported does not necessarily make it so.

People assume a lot of things and I can see why most are assuming JSS wanted DP for Killer Arias. It's easy to buy that thought in a case where most thinking people believed DP to be appropriate. JMO.
 
LinTX said:
Wow. That's the most restrictive area - stands for Restrictive Status Housing Program. Those convicted of "Forbidden Three" acts (serious assaults on staff, serious inmate
on inmate assaults with a weapon and multiple inmates assaulting an inmate with serious injury) and anyone with a mental health score of 3 or higher are there - I think the more violent ones are kept in another area than the mental ones. All movement is in full restraints, property and privileges are limited and placements are reviewed every 30 days.
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That answers the question of why the killer was to be more or less isolated for only the first 30 days. I recall that report coming out of PV just before she was transported and was concerned that it was such a short period of time. But it seems that it's 30 days, then reviewed and could be another 30 days, then another review...and so on. So, it looks like the killer has to earn her way out of her initial restrictive housing and even though it is possible she could do this in 30 days, it seems highly unlikely given what we know about her personality.
 
krkrjx said:
That answers the question of why the killer was to be more or less isolated for only the first 30 days. I recall that report coming out of PV just before she was transported and was concerned that it was such a short period of time. But it seems that it's 30 days, then reviewed and could be another 30 days, then another review...and so on. So, it looks like the killer has to earn her way out of her initial restrictive housing and even though it is possible she could do this in 30 days, it seems highly unlikely given what we know about her personality.
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I think this is just her move to her "permanent" home. The first time is in intake, correct?
 
krkrjx said:
That answers the question of why the killer was to be more or less isolated for only the first 30 days. I recall that report coming out of PV just before she was transported and was concerned that it was such a short period of time. But it seems that it's 30 days, then reviewed and could be another 30 days, then another review...and so on. So, it looks like the killer has to earn her way out of her initial restrictive housing and even though it is possible she could do this in 30 days, it seems highly unlikely given what we know about her personality.
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IfIMay said:
I think this is just her move to her "permanent" home. The first time is in intake, correct?
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All inmates, even MAX and DR have the 30 day step incentive program, but this is different. She's not only in yard 30 - MAX custody - she's in a special restricted housing area inside that unit. She was placed there *after* her intake evaluation, IOW. There are only 2 inmates there as of yesterday. Unless this is a mistake, she may have had some kind of breakdown to reach the 3+ mental eval? The 30 day for RSHP I mentioned earlier would be a 30 day review just to see if she remains in restricted housing. From there she would start as others with M1 life sentences do, and go into the step incentive program, MAX, to earn privileges, etc.
 
There are many comments that express this idea, so I'm not quoting any of them, but the simple fact of the matter is that JSS was a complete joke throughout both trials. I think even Nurmi couldn't believe all the grasping at straws he was allowed to get away with, and once he and JA saw what worked, they kept trying for more, and were granted it EVERY. SINGLE. FREAKING. TIME. Even down to the last moment when they asked for over 30 days until sentencing.

And as that new book shows (can't remember the title but it breaks down the direct testimony), so much of it was irrelevant and never talked about the actual crime for days. She was allowed to ramble. This trial took several years, when other, similarly complicated trials were over in a few weeks start to finish. The jurors showed up late, waited for 15 minutes, then told to go home until next week. Then back for a day and a half, then told 2 weeks from today. None of this would have been unusual or unreasonable if JSS had required them to move along, or to stop with the delays. The attys are used to this and this judge did not control her court. Sidebar after sidebar after sidebar, objectionmweapproach??

Even to the very end of the LAST day, where Juan asked to go AFTER the killer, but he still had to go first, and thereby gave the killer one last knife twist to counter Juan's closing remarks.

I'm glad she gave the right sentence, but she effed up royally up till that time.
 
Marissa Devault is in

ASPC-PV SPEC. MANAGE

So their not together

MD has had 3 infractions already, she is in a work program in Porter building


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Troy Hayden said he believes the murderer will be housed in the same room that Milke was in, the blue room


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space71 said:
There are many comments that express this idea, so I'm not quoting any of them, but the simple fact of the matter is that JSS was a complete joke throughout both trials. I think even Nurmi couldn't believe all the grasping at straws he was allowed to get away with, and once he and JA saw what worked, they kept trying for more, and were granted it EVERY. SINGLE. FREAKING. TIME. Even down to the last moment when they asked for over 30 days until sentencing.

And as that new book shows (can't remember the title but it breaks down the direct testimony), so much of it was irrelevant and never talked about the actual crime for days. She was allowed to ramble. This trial took several years, when other, similarly complicated trials were over in a few weeks start to finish. The jurors showed up late, waited for 15 minutes, then told to go home until next week. Then back for a day and a half, then told 2 weeks from today. None of this would have been unusual or unreasonable if JSS had required them to move along, or to stop with the delays. The attys are used to this and this judge did not control her court. Sidebar after sidebar after sidebar, objectionmweapproach??

Even to the very end of the LAST day, where Juan asked to go AFTER the killer, but he still had to go first, and thereby gave the killer one last knife twist to counter Juan's closing remarks.

I'm glad she gave the right sentence, but she effed up royally up till that time.
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I completely agree and due to the the tipology of this crime, the murderer's behaviour - lies, arrogance, defiant atitude, etc - it was of very bad taste that the judge didn't address a hard speech on her after the sentencing. I too wonder why was she allowed the constant drawing and the annoyant picking of pencils and the way she could abstract from what was going on while all the other attendants were and also why wasn't she dressed in prison atire... anyway, it is a fact that she will be breathing, eating, socialising, living... but it will be a misereble life.

ROT IN PRISON AWFUL EVIL WOMAN111 So much you wanted, so little you got until you die lolol
 
Meemaw12 said:
Troy Hayden said he believes the murderer will be housed in the same room that Milke was in, the blue room


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So even though she didn't get the DP, she now resides in a cell that housed someone who did receive the DP? I like it!
 
Hez said:
So even though she didn't get the DP, she now resides in a cell that housed someone who did receive the DP? I like it!
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In an interview Milke said it got so hot in the summer that she'd sleep on the floor because it was cooler
 
Hez said:
So even though she didn't get the DP, she now resides in a cell that housed someone who did receive the DP? I like it!
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Me too

I think all DP and M1 are housed in the same unit, only diff is the murderer can work her way out of that unit ie Devault has been moved to another unit working making .10 cents per hr.

I was surprised how fast Devault was moved I thought it would take longer.


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