Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #2

Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by LambChop, Mar 5, 2015.

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  1. daisydomino

    daisydomino Active Member

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    Yep!

    This is awful. :( People, leave her alone.
     


  2. MissHaley

    MissHaley Active Member

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    How did name & address get out?
     
  3. Amster

    Amster Well-Known Member

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    wow....such empathy for the family of Travis Alexander. Just move on....:facepalm:
     
  4. Boytwnmom

    Boytwnmom Verified Attorney

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    on appeal issues being the reason why no action was taken against the juror. Now, I agree that no matter what reason, it would be used as an appeal. But aren't there legitimate reasons to dismiss a non-deliberating juror or one who committed misconduct by lying or similar? I don't know much about this topic naturally but I was reading a CA paper on Juror Misconduct that went over some similar issues. I don't know if AZ has similar statutes requiring deliberations and specifically referencing how jurors can be dismissed.

    I found parts of the paper seemingly relevant to what I think may have gone on here with the juror and how the situation could have been handled. Of course, it's from the defense perspective and naturally the defense has more to gain in this matter, as in most others. They can try to get an unfavorable juror booted, a favorable one retained and/or threaten to get the verdict overturned later.

    Would it have essentially required both counsel to consent to investigate further? Did Nurmi do the appeal threat unless they left that juror alone? I'm sure he figured out it was a defense holdout. So, would the judge just refuse since the state has no recourse?

    Anyway, the paper kind of sets out what I feel likely happened and how it should have been investigated. But I guess there's no way to get that done when the juror misconduct benefits the defense. I still would love to know what really went on here. But since we don't even know how much of the trial went I guess that's a remote dream.

    http://www.sdap.org/downloads/research/criminal/jmcdu.pdfhttp://
     
  5. Ricki

    Ricki Well-Known Member

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    How would MDLR plant her and it does not get noticed? I may be naive. I just don't know how that would work. Doesn't the court send out jury notices for potential jurors. They do here.
     
  6. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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    Turns out spa-time is good for the soul. :)

    Yes, she deserved the DP and no she didn't get it, and yes the Alexanders didn't get the sentence they wanted. But it really is exquisitely perfect how it turned out.

    If anyone thinks the DP meant different conditions at Perryville, you haven't read about the rules changing and how little different her day to day existence would have been in very short order, DP or LWOP. The genuine big difference is she is GONE. She will be without any outside support, ever, except for a mother 1,000 miles away and the inevitable groupies she would have had either way, and she's been robbed of the extra dozens of years she could pretend to herself she'd be free on appeal. The Slumber party book talks about how much difference it makes to be able to hold onto that hope.

    Better yet, she's been robbed of any pretense she's a victim. The jury didn't believe she was a victim, and hated that she tried to victimize Travis in court. They dislike her so much they wanted her dead. They loved the prosecutor she hates, didn't believe ANY of the lies she manufactured, including porn on the computer. That is complete and total repudiation of HER.

    The retrial revealed WAY more about her than the first. Everything she wanted to hide is out in the open. She didn't get the DP so she can't even play poster child DP victim.

    And, the holdout juror has TAINTED the outcome, rightfully or not. Most folks will always believe that she should have received the DP and would have if......or, if....... That is a a hugely different and better outcome than last time, when some jurors DID believe she was abused, 8-4 thought she should be spared, and nobody questioned the legitimacy of the verdict.

    I'm sure she knows she lost, and her last tweets are evidence that's so. I've been popping in and out reading the threads here and get that most folks here are angry and don't agree with what I'm saying. Hugs to you....I'm totally at peace with the outcome and ready to let go of all things JA.

    PS- warning about the May 26th text. It will likely make you sad to read it. MF didn't make up her story whole cloth about Travis feeling suicidal. She twisted the truth, and she sure did lie 100% about JA being suicidal, but Travis was a deeply unhappy man in late May. JA deserved every last word he said to her on May 26, but it is also the case that he was blaming her for his own inability to kick her out of his life completely, once and for all.

    One part of Travis' legacy that I'm walking away with a powerful reminder of the necessity of setting absolute boundaries and that sometimes forgiveness needs to be earned.
     
  7. ~Lyric~

    ~Lyric~ Where is the Justice for Holly Bobo?

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    From what I can gather, her husband posted something on his fb..and you know how things snowball when one little nugget gets out.
     
  8. sammie

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    Not sure, it's all over twitter. The media had it right after the trial, one was tweeting facts about the woman's facebook page (liked The Secret, Law of Attraction, NancyGrace). Once you know the name, it's easy to find address on the internet. :facepalm:
     
  9. Mindmatters

    Mindmatters New Member

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    This will sound absolutely callous but there is a saying.... you reap what you sow.
     
  10. Sweetiemom

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    After seeing and reading about everything that went down today, it would not surprise me to see the judge give Arias LWP...I am just so disgusted with this whole mess.
     
  11. Hatfield

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    Would love to be able to ask her what could Jodi have done more to warrant the DP then?

    And if that juror answers anything like be a mass murderer or something, then she should have NOT been on that jury because this was a DP case from the very start and she knew that up front and going into it. JA could not kill anymore people while on trial.
     
  12. smeck

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    Well....someone could have followed her to her car and made a deal $$$$ with her early in the trial.
     
  13. cady

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    I believe that their beloved brother would hope that they move on with their respective lives, and enjoy them JMO I would hope that for my friends and family.
     
  14. ElleElle

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    BBM ~ Even if #17 was confused, 11 others couldn't un-confuse her? Something has happened and I have a feeling it got emotional for this juror and she ignored the facts and evidence the 11 others clearly saw.
     
  15. rose222

    rose222 Active Member

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    The guttural sobbing haunts me. They have every right. The poor family.
     
  16. Mindmatters

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    ITA What a superb post.

    Now it is time for Victims Advocates to bring about reform in the Juror selection process, to ensure specific instructions are provided in the event a jury is faced with someone who refuses to participate in the deliberation process, and to demand that Victims that are murdered have protections against patently false claims amade against them for the sake of their murder's rights.

    And may one of the reforms bear the name of Travis Alexander sometime in the future--I know I am willing to advocate for changes on behalf of TA and his family.
     
  17. Ricki

    Ricki Well-Known Member

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    I could be very wrong but I thought that took place because Dr. Drew mentioned that day, he was having juror 17 on his show that night. It was juror 17 from the guilt trial that was scheduled that evening. If this is wrong please feel free to correct me.
     
  18. Greater Than

    Greater Than Retired Moderator

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    "She felt like she was being assaulted."

    The jury room can get very heated during deliberations. That is nothing new nor surprising, especially for a capital murder case.

    But I'll tell you what, if I was on this jury and this lone juror could not provide us with a single scinero of when she would consider the DP warranted, I would probably unleash what she felt was a verbal assault too. It would anger me beyond belief that she lied about being open to it during jury selection. It's so unfair to the victim...the family...the PT,..the justice system... Ugh!
     
  19. tlckgram

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    Much as I detest MDLR, I don't think juror 17 was a plant per se. I think it was just everyone knew it would only take ONE juror to throw it and they were hoping as hard for that ONE as we were for the DP.
     
  20. MsJoni

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    Happens in some counties in NJ...Think Soprano's.
     
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