Would it be possible for Travis' s family to hire a lawyer to sue lifetime network and the producers of the movie seeing as how their airing of the movie before the sentence was pronounced appears to have influenced the outcome?
Defendants Rights vs Victim's Rights- Does it bother anyone else that if jury misconduct is found in a case that is against the defendant, the verdict can be thrown out & retried. But, if it's against the State, they have no recourse? I believe in defendants rights but things have gone way too far, especially if the defendant is guilty! Victims have gotten lost & now it's become a game of 'winning'. Gone too far.
Another injustice in the quest for justice for Travis Alexander is not surprising. The injustice now is that a juror with an agenda may have lied either directly or by omission to get seated on this jury. This particular flavor of injustice has happened in the US court system more often than I am comfortable with but so far no one has come up with a foolproof method for avoiding it.
Regarding the actual sentence of natural life in prison which I expect to be imposed on Killer Arias--that is not an injustice in my view. I know people like Jodi (ok, maybe not anyone close to her level of psychopathy, but you get the gist) and believe me, life behind bars is not a cake walk for such individuals. Yes, she will grin in that stupid-faced way she has and she will tweet, or have it done on her behalf, that she is all settled in and getting along well as she waits for vindication via the appeals that either have been or will be filed that demand she be set free.
Don't believe her. She lies to the nth degree, as we all know; that she will lie about her content existence behind the walls of a maximum security prison is to be expected. Don't believe the tweets, regardless of who tweets them, as they will be sent for the sole purpose of getting everyone riled up. I, for one, will not fall for it.
I am relieved that Jodi will be locked up for life and am pleased that it comes via hung jury. Had it been a verdict of death, this killer would be in the public's face for decades to come and no doubt a pita do-gooder or two would have stepped in to get her sentence commuted at some point. Who needs it! Not me. Not the family and friends of the murdered man. Not the citizens of Arizona.
Had there been a verdict of life in prison, the killer would still be going away for life but the jury making that decision would have vindicated the defense team in their vilification of murder victim Travis Alexander. I am pleased that this vindication has not and never will come to pass.
Looking at this mess of a trial as a whole and especially at the disgusting behavior the jurors are reporting about one of their own, I am on an even keel with the non-verdict here. It sends the killer away without fanfare, it vindicates the murder victim, and it shouts loud and clear that even though Arias avoided the death penalty the jury had her number all along! I am good with that.
I have heard/read that her background is family court and this was first dp case...if that is true it does explain some of the excess caution used to avoid appeals...she took it so far it became impossible to run a court and be fair to anyone really...clearly she was not a good choice for a high profile case. I also think some of the things that happened such as jurors not being able to deliberate as long as they want seem to be the result of a court system that is strapped for cash and space.
I doubt it BUT I like the way you think...I am hoping some creative consequences come from this debacle to assure it can NEVER happen again. My personal crusade has to do with the way the ONLY victim in this case was trashed over and over in court with some degree of "success". This should never be allowed, esp on all of our taxpayer $$$. I keep hammering the money part because I know that's what gets politician's attention. I've been tweeting about this nonstop and hoping it falls on someone's ears who can actually make a difference. It's happened before in my life and can happen again. At this stage it feels like the best I can offer--that mouthpiece--so none of this was in vain.
Its possible the DAs office is getting warrants to go into her facebook, phone records, and anything else deemed neccessary to prove jury tampering. Time will tell. I hope they do interviews. Give her rope and she will hang herself.http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/02807.htm
FWIW, members of a jury can be charged with jury tampering as can lawyers, judges, anyone who is connected to a court case. If you are officially part of the prosecution or defence, you can only deal with members of the jury through the normal workings of the court.
Which brings to mind JM's questioning of Geffner regarding his apparent focus on one particular juror. Maybe, if it was #17, JM had an inkling something was going on.
I do remember that the movie was shown several times while the trial was ongoing. She should not have brought it up in the jury room as it was not presented as evidence. This juror obviously did not obey the judge's admonition that was given daily. She asks if they have watched or heard anything, and this lady (J 17) once again lied. The whole def team was liars, so goes this juror. The common link.I do not think the network is responsible here. The movie was a work of fiction for one thing but that aside she, as a juror, was not supposed to be watching a movie or anything else on TV or internet regarding this case or anyone involved in it. They can't even follow the news on the subject. That is not allowed when you are on a jury.
it is also so very obvious that she spoke about the deliberations and trial with husband...otherwise he would not have been so cool and calm talking about his "respect" for her.
In our case, the murderers were sentenced to 1. Death 2. Life WITH parole for the conspiracy charge (there was no LWOP in AZ in 1990) and also 3. Restitution. It wasn't much, but we had to present funeral expenses, lost wages etc. Not that we've ever seen a dime (but of course our taxes have gone to their millions of dollars in legal assistance over the years). I'm wondering if Arias will be sentenced to that as well...only because she can actually have a chance to make money in prison. AZLawyer? Is this a thing of the past?
So nice to see you here! Thanks!
I've watched a lot of trials.....and, never, ever have I seen a judge allow such horrible trashing of a victim. Never. Most judges shut that down right away! Is it an Arizona thing?
I also think, like Florida, in a DP case, with the jury, majority rules. That takes care of the dastardly, pathetic stealth juror.
Peace to you....so nice to see you found your soulmate. True love story! :heartbeat:
Not sure exactly what is kosher to post here right now but just wanted to share that I wrote a long letter on my blog yesterday to the jurors in this last phase. It's getting a lot of play (over 6000 hits so far) and more importantly, it's having the impact I intended without violating any confidences. I'm being contacted on it. I won't link it but if you go to my blog in my signature line here, it is the first post. I hope it helps. It's my honest response to this non-verdict. I'm feeling better about things today and hope the rest of you are as well.
Love and blessings to all involved.