Dominican Republic - American tourists found dead in resorts, same cause of death, 2018/2019

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  1. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    what?!!
     


  2. cherrymeg

    cherrymeg Well-Known Member

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    You've ruined rice for me lol. Omg could you imagine if drunken strangers were handing out candy to kids in the US/UK because the school was a stop for tourists. Hopefully the DR protects there kids from getting kidnapped or exploited. If you hadn't gotten sick would you have had fun or felt that your vacation was well spent?

    https://nypost.com/2019/04/09/missing-ny-tourist-couple-was-warned-about-being-mugged/
    This article I thought was interesting. It talks about driving from a hotel or resort to the airport was a long drive for the couple. It made it seem like tourists have to worry about being robbed on the road. If you want to build up tourism making it safe would be a good start. It seems like these hotels take your money and don't live up to their end of the deal. If they are promising all inclusive fun, guests shouldn't dread the drive to the airport or feel lucky to come home alive.
     
  3. Momof4RN

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    The moderators have asked us to stay on topic in this thread and have set certain on topic criteria. That’s why the Canadian deaths have not been discussed further on this thread even tho the death surrounding Danielle is at best suspicious. I agree she deserves her own thread if one doesn’t already exist.
     
  4. asyousay

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    Even if I had not got sick I would not of gone back. I didn’t enjoy the lack of hygiene, I felt ripped off because of our trip. I felt like if we had had a bigger issue we would of gotten zero help. I didn’t enjoy that we had gunman at the end of our resort ( guarding the resort apparently ) and we could follow the coast line for miles but we had to sign out so that if something happened to us they knew we was missing. I am glad I experienced it but it wasn’t what I was expecting and i definitely would not go back there. I can definitely see why people would get sick in such a location after experiencing it myself. Even in a 5* resort you still have people working there that wouldn’t have the western idea of hygiene and all that entails. With such poverty on the island as well you are obviously open to corruption as well I feel like on our trip.

    IMO
     
  5. Hell0000nurse

    Hell0000nurse Well-Known Member

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    Oh all the toxicology “machines” are broken in the DR? That’s convenient.
     
  6. cherrymeg

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    Sorry if I was off topic. Maybe there needs to be a more broad thread in a different category. Sharing information about potentially dangerous vacation spots or hotels is helpful. The people that have died mysteriously in hotel rooms is beyond weird. There is a lack of concern for the safety of tourists in general though.
     
  7. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    I smell bs.
     
  8. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    exactly. You roll the dice and take a chance. Sounds corrupt.
     
  9. x_files

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    That's how I'm seeing it. At first, I thought the hotel workers were stealing booze and filling it up with contaminated alcohol, so it's accidentally killing guests. But, it may go much further. Absolute corruption.
     
  10. Bugurl747

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    I just read this article and am completely dumbfounded. I understand everyone's circumstance is different but how could the family allow the Dominican Republic to cremate her without getting her back of to America to run some tox screens and get a second opinion from a ME?!

    There is something major going on over there....they could have likely got funding to bring her home with the current viral platform and get those additional tests run o_O What a shame.

    MOO
     
  11. Bugurl747

    Bugurl747 Well-Known Member

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    It is absolute BS! The Dominican Republic is likely going to lose millions with this scandal and they are choosing to be shady and corrupt which only makes them look worse.

    Who in their right mind would go there after this? :eek:

    MOO
     
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    Cover up and corruption at its finest. MOO
     
  13. x_files

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    you'd be surprised tourists will still go, but those reading the news won't and take their tourist money elsewhere.
     
  14. Bugurl747

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    I am relieved to hear the FBI is involved. We need answers and for the truth to come to light. This is really scary, why isn't there a travel ban to the area until this is resolved? It would protect us and make the DR feel the heat.

    Those local workers know what is going on. How many have died? How many birth defects or miscarriages from the possible chemicals being used? I'm curious about the number of cancer cases as well.

    I wonder what health care really looks like over there. No surprise that "Public health regulation is very weak. The existing health care standards are 10 or 20 years old, and health professionals are certified by union-like professional associations."

    Health Care - Dominican Republic
     
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    PEOPLE confirms that both the FBI and the CDC are investigating these strange deaths, but the agencies are not yet releasing further details.

    According to Univision, Robin Bernstein, the ambassador of the United States to the Dominican Republic, said last week the recent high-profile incidents were isolated cases. “We have 2.7 million Americans who come to the country and the statistics is that this is a very … unique event,” Bernstein said. “They come to visit the beautiful beaches and enjoy the great culture. Unfortunately sometimes those things happen to people.

    Another American Dies in the Dominican Republic: Leyla Cox, 53, Found Dead in Hotel Room

    I am in awe of the public relations regarding this situation. YIKES!
     
  16. Herat

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    Here is my prior post about Forensic Toxicology

    For what it's worth? ( Daily Mail article)

    The family of Leyla Cox ( the last victim ) was told the toxicology machines in the DR were broken, so there was no toxicology done.

    Staten Island woman, 53, is SEVENTH American to die under mysterious circumstances in Dominican | Daily Mail Online

    It costs money to run a valid toxicology laboratory, not just in equipment but also in terms of technologists and supervising PhDs. I would think DR might just not have any quality Forensic Toxicology scientists and have to refer specimens to other countries. Which costs $$$.

    My guess is that DR is not going to pay money to routinely do toxicology on the death of tourists. The broken machines is just a weak excuse.

    A major hospital should have some basic toxicology testing: Blood alcohol, CO2 levels, maybe urine drug screens. Ethylene glycol poisoning can be suspected from other blood chemistries. I found a reference laboratory in DR which is accredited by the College of American Pathologists, which is a highly-regarded program of inspection of laboratories. I don't know if they do Forensic Toxicology, but I would assume they have the capacity to identify ethanol, methanol, isopropanol, ethlylene glycol and some other toxins /drugs in blood and urine of hospitalized patients, as these tests are not very difficult or expensive to run. And if they don't do the testing, they can send it internationally to another laboratory, such as in Mexico or US. So, this leads me to believe the DR Medical Examiners do have some options for toxicology.

    Referencia Laboratorio Clinico
    Sede Central
    Avenida Luperon #3 Esq Mirador Sur
    Santo Domingo, DN -
    Dominican Republic


    And the terms "cardiac arrest", "pulmonary edema" "cerebral edema" are in most cases going to be accepted without challenge in the case of older tourists who have some known medical condition. They probably don't even do histologic examination of the organs.

    I hope the FBI does issue information about the quality of DR Forensic Death examinations. I suspect it is very poor.

    Edited to add: There are no CAP-accredited Forensic Toxicolgy Laboratories in DR listed in their website. They can be accredited by other agencies, so that doesn't exclude the possibility there is one, but I doubt it
     
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  17. Herat

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    1. There may also be a policy for commercial airlines when returning remains that they must be embalmed or cremated, for infection control purposes. This might not be specific to the DR, but the policy for international carriers into the US. I can see the logic behind this and DR officials are likely bound by this. This may not be the case for military or other LE purposes when a case is taken by the US LE (like FBI).

    2. All medical services for USAnians are going to be cash-only as most all major US insurances, Medicare, and Medicaid will not pay DR hospitals. Medicare & Medicaid, specifically do not cover healthcare outside the US. Other policies may reimburse you, but only after you have paid up front. That's common in less prosperous c0untries - you pay for everything up front- the room, the doctors, the nurses, the gloves, the IV's, the drugs, even food. You pay cash $$

    There are specific medical evacuation insurance programs (like MedJet) that will fly you in a private plane, or commercial plane if it is safer, back to any hospital in the US. After traveling extensively and seeing someone get gravely injured, I have a MedJet policy and keep it up !
     
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  18. neesaki

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    Maybe you quoted the wrong post, as I wasn't commenting on what liquor they drink, but rather if any employees have gotten ill perhaps even died from insecticides or whatever chemicals are causing this problem. IMO they very likely wouldn’t feel free to speak out, and the resorts probably would keep it hush hush, as will the government. Again, JMO
     
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  19. Herat

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    I think there are a couple of different issues about illnesses occuring in US visitors to the DR.

    1. Acute or very rapid sudden death

    2. Gastrointestinal -type diseases in a party ruining the trip for everyone

    3. Respiratory distress, neurologic symptoms, rashes, etc in people with possibly exposure to pesticides.

    I was commenting about #1, but I think your concerns are more about #3, which I can understand.
     
  20. neesaki

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    I had no idea about the rice issue, good information to have, TU.
     

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