Dr. Phil Interviews Burke Ramsey (9/12 & 9/13 2016)

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  1. horatio

    horatio New Member

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    Burke reacted very oddly when Dr. Phil asked him if the note looked like his mother's handwriting. He didn't didn't really vehemently deny it. He picked one phrase, at the beginning of the document when the writing is most disguised, "Listen Carefully", and said it stood out as not appearing to be her writing. Strange.

    Simplest theory: BR woke JBR late to go downstairs and play with some toys. They ate pineapple together. He plays with train set, she annoys him, he jabs her with it. She threatens to tell on him, he hits her with flashlight. He thinks she's dead, tells parents. They think she's dead, panic, fear for son, stage ridiculous cover-up. Once police bought the kidnapping, they couldn't/didn't turn back.
     


  2. lsv7

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    After watching the first episode, I watched the second one with that in mind. I have PTSD with a lot of avoidance. A lot about the interview makes sense when watched looking for signs of PTSD. It wouldn't be weird at all for Burke to have not read the ransom note or looked online to see what people were saying about the case. I also think that his constant smirk could be linked to coping by avoiding feeling any emotions. I know someone with PTSD and Asperger's Syndrome that struggles with presenting as "normal" when in a therapeutic setting. If Burke is on the spectrum and has PTSD, I can see him not knowing what emotional response people would be expecting and choosing one that made him seem suspicious.

    The really interesting thing that I took away from watching the interview with that in mind, is that Dr. Phil's questions are not at all phrased to get through Burke's psychological defenses, if those assumptions that I made are true. Along with being easier to answer, questions that require a narrow answer don't help as much with memory recall. If there are things that he has suppressed, the interview was structured in a way that made it less likely for them to break through. It really makes me think that there were a lot of restrictions put on Dr. Phil before they agreed to the interview.
     
  3. PrincessBMD

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    Maybe he did witness something. Maybe that's why he stayed in bed, pretending to be asleep, when people came in his room. Maybe he stayed in his room because he was scared. Maybe he still is.

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  4. PositiveLight

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    Ok after sleeping some, I have a few observations/questions to throw out there.
    I agree with what someone said earlier regarding PR plan. This was definitely Plan C.
    I don't think it was a crime of hate whether BR did it or PR. I think if BR did it, even if they were bratty brother and sister or he was jealous or they did sexually inappropriate things, I still feel if he did it, it was an accident. If PR did it, it happened out of exhaustion, frustration, and happened quickly.
    I DO think BR is creepy and potentially the killer or witness. I think the real reason he was hidden away was because he would've made it obvious something was off with him. Reporters would have been on it like flies to poop. They shielded him to shield the family pride. He has issues whether it is a spectrum issue or just deviant behavior, that needed professional help.
    I think this whole BR interview thing started off as DP thinking it was a good ratings booster and something that would seal his role in the industry.
    After getting all of the videos of him as a 9 yr old, DP saw this as a WOAH moment. Maybe before he thought he might be innocent, but after seeing the videos and meeting him, DP knew he was looking at the killer or witness.
    He knew it was a story that the viewers could draw the truth out of the whole story. He knew what he was looking at.
    All he had to do was ask the questions and BR would seal it for him.
    That smile. You can tell DP is kind of creeped out and in awe of it at the same time. Like "does he know he is giving himself away??? Am I seeing what I think I am seeing????"
    I will never get behind the IDI theory simply because of the Ransom note. It was obviously her handwriting. They never ruled her out. They had 2 1/2 pages to look at, not just a few sentences. The more she wrote the deeper she dug her hole.
    Besides creepy pedos falsely fessing up to it for 15 min of fame, none of the potential suspects in my opinion, fit the crime.
    More evidence, much more, point to it being an inside job. I don't believe anyone framed JR out of jealousy. If they did, they did a horrible job. I think the only person who tried to frame JR..... was PR.
    The glass on top of the suitcase shows that the suitcase was under the window when it was broken. It was not out of place, it was placed there as a staging effect and the window was open then broken. JR stated several times he broke that window months before. Why say this then say that the suitcase was out of place?
    No one tried to put her in the suitcase (an intruder) in my opinion. Maybe Patsy TRIED to put her in it to move her body, then realized the difficulty, and staged the scene to look like an intruder. Glass on top of the suitcase.
    It all points to someone thinking of how they would stage a scene if they were writing a broadway play. But the small details give it away. The things she didn't clearly think of as dead giveaways.
    Trying to make it look like an IDI is actually what made them look more guilty.
    Had they not wrote the RN, the over kill, the lies about small unimportant details, people might have bought the intruder theory.
    What makes me sad is there will never be justice for JonBenet. Even if BR admits it, nothing will happen. Heartbreaking.
     
  5. s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

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    [video=youtube;rc568hF3B4Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc568hF3B4Q[/video]

    At 15:59 DP, starts talking about BR. By the end of the topic (MOO) you get which way DP's pendulum swings. Again it's just my opinion.
     
  6. horatio

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    Burke didn't venture outside his room that morning to ask "What's going on?" Didn't ask any questions about where/how was JBR? This is SO odd. During the interview he doesn't say he was upset. He says he could see OTHERS were upset and he was trying to stop people from being sad. Hmm...
     
  7. horatio

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    It seems pretty clear that he thinks Burke/the family did it, or were at the very least, involved in the cover-up. This case got screwed right from the start, but it's not like it's a big 'whodunit' mystery like Jack The Ripper.


     
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    On The View DP says the boot print by her body is cleared up. Is that in Part 3? If not I missed it.
     
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    I agree. Dr. Phil framed a very good question. The bottom line on this for me is Dr. Phil's question and Burke's response tells me Burke heard something.
     
  10. x_files

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    Totally plausible and realistic scenario. Or JBR touched his new toy were fighting over the new train track.
    The stranger doesn't set right with me. The lack of footprints in the snow, unless they entered through the front door and also left the same way (still no footprints).
     
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    Not me, not mine, but Burke seems to have issues a normal kid does not.
     
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    I don't know what will be covered in part 3 next week (and I'm bummed I will have to miss that one).
    Here is what I've heard about the boot print. Apparently the boot was a very popular one. I believe it was said John Andrew had a pair (and obviously is someone who would have been in the home previously). And that several of the law enforcement people in the home that day had those boots as well. This is what I remember from Kolar's book. Not sure what Dr Phil will say.


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    I thought maybe I'd heard it wrong. I thought the interviewer asked him what kind of snacks JonBenet liked without qualifying "before bed" and BR answered very automatically "We aren't allowed to have snacks before bed time". I could have heard it wrong, and sorry if this has been answered. Trying like heck to catch up here!
     
  14. PositiveLight

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    Agreed.
    I don't think for one minute PR EVER thought they would suspect such "good christian people". I think she thought this was a well acted play until the investigators let her in on the fact no one was fooled.
    I think she was insulted that no one bought her acting/ staging.
    I think PR wanted her body to be found for selfish reasons.
    JMOO
     
  15. dizzychick

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    Money Money Money and now I wonder if JR's fortune has dwindeled enough to consider interview's now. They both were paid a handsome sum no doubt, why else would they do it ?
     
  16. discovery

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    Burke interview left me clueless. On one hand his body language and attitude could be due to how he copes with it all, on the other it could be a mask. I would crack by now if I had committed murder. So confusing!
     
  17. x_files

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    the cover-up.
     
  18. dizzychick

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    I noticed he had the same weird grin as he was walking away from the funeral very quirky
     
  19. lana_winters

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    ugh I had someones comment quoted, but i lost it when I replied.

    This it to the poster who said she had an inappropriate response to the news of her grandfathers death.

    yes but the difference is now as an adult - you see how your actions as a child during that sad time were inappropriate. BR seems to still behave that way at 30 years old, that is what is unsettling.
     
  20. x_files

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    No my grandfather wasn't murdered but died in surgery.

    My friend however died in d under suspicious circumstances and it was never solved. I never got over it. I still refer to him in present tense and cannot stop myself from crying when I talk about him.
     
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