Discussion in 'Dr. Teresa Sievers' started by Wyle_E_Coyote, Sep 7, 2015.
Was MS involved? If so, what motivated him?
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We have all given reasons why MS may have wanted out.. Tired of being a kept man, being belittled, being Mr Mom, stifled, resentful etc etc. How about turning this around?
Why would TS want out? She was tired of his lazy behind pretending to do office work. She was sick of needing a nanny and a chef when he was home all day. She got tired of supporting him and having the majority of the decision making duties while trying to market herself. He was sullen and unappreciative... the marriage had become loveless.. MOO
She takes a lover. ( guess who)? CWW, while doing routine computer tune ups, discovers emails between TS and said lover. Cww is loyal . He tips off his best friend..MS
and a murder plot was hatched.
All just speculation and my opinion only.
CWW's role in FL, if this was
1. a burglary
a. with insider involvement (MS?)
b. without insider involvement
2. a hit
a. ordered (by MS?)
b. self initiated
To me he was the backup guy in either case including, the guy with a gun. What are your thoughts?
I think it was a hit; albeit, one very poor job. I think soon we may all know how deep this goes, and I trust Sheriff's Scott's methods to find the venomous roots of this horrific tragedy. This is just mo. I believe Sheriff Scott is employing the media and us to flush out more facts.
I think it was a break-in not a robbery. If they took anything, that was secondary to why they broke in, imo. Would they even want anything from that home that could be traced as belonging to the Sievers? (jewelry, for example).
I have believed from day one this was a murder for hire.. as soon as I heard it on the news. Both CWW and JR were seen in Walmart. Were they both at the murder scene? Does it matter? Aiding and abetting, conspiracy.. something would come into this.. but the charges are second degree murder for both and that says to me they were both equally culpable even if both werent at the scene... and that is the best you are going to get until they come back to Florida and the powers that be THERE work any additional magic to up the charges. I believe the 2 perps were acting on orders from someone else. If we believe the verified friend, TS was a mess when found. Why make it look so gruesome? Because that was on the order form. JMO
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While researching for something else, I ran across this in the media thread that I had not read. Appropriately titled:
Why not first-degree murder for suspects in Dr. Teresa Sievers case
6:53 PM, Sep 1, 2015, Updated 11:04 PM, Sep 1, 2015
I had been leaning towards a theory that Dr. Sievers interrupted a crime in progress due to the 2nd degree status of their charges. That view was based on a 1st degree needing pre-meditation. But after reading this article and learning about Florida's judicial process, I think it's LE strategy to lock 'em up now with what we have, and then take the time to convene a grand jury for 1st degree charges. I'm going to get an education in the Florida legal process, I'm sure.
I think he had the jumpsuit on. Otherwise, why would JR keep it?
Does anyone think Florida will ask for the death penalty? It could produce a plea bargain.
I am going with a conspired hit between MS and CWW. Money is one factor, but not all. Life was good, the practice was prosperous, kids at play. Something happened, that interfered with life as it was for MS.
Whatever happened or was going to happen (divorce on either side?) had enough weight to start the chain of events resulting in Dr Sievers' brutal murder.
While money talks, the award has to outweigh the risk for it to be a good deal. So, yes, JR and CWW were paid (or going to be paid) and then what? How would CWW keep JR from talking and how would MS keep CWW from talking? JR was hired by CWW for a hit. That may not have been the first time. Having knowledge insures both parties.What's the insurance between CWW and MS? There is not need for an insurance. This whole thing was set up to succeed, not to fail.
Are we possibly looking at a bro-ffair (term coined by another poster)? Is that, what Dr Sievers had discovered?
I think the motive is plain as a bell: The murderer wanted money, money ALL to himself - in other words, the murderer wanted to be 'top cheese', 'head of the $pyramid$'.
In my opinion, the murderer/ring leader never loved Teresa: The 'relationship' was not 'I/thou' (see Eric Fromm, Martin Buber) but 'I/thing-it'.
The 2 special reasons for my opinion are as follows:
1. I happen to know that there are a few companies that will quickly plug a licensed physician into a place of need - the issue is 'How much $$ will it take?'. I strongly feel that the murderer/KingPin in this thought he could get Teresa replaced within just a few days - when it turned out to be extremely costly & not so simple, the murderer/Mastermind did some very foolish actions for awhile via FBk and other online postings.
2. I am in MN and I happen to know, over, oh 8 yrs. or so now, a H-W couple here who very much remind me of the Mastermind/Murderer and Murderer/IWillDoYourWill,Buddy. This H-W couple have taken quite outrageous actions in order to be 'King&Queen' of their various pyramid-based money making schemes.
Divorce wouldnt pay as well as murder. Someone was greedy and wanted it all. The practice, kids. Money. Life insurance. Who had the most to gain with her out of the way? Unless there is another woman, TS was probably the one that would want out.jmo
Money, power that comes from having money to oneself, and perhaps an affair with someone. Divorce would be messy, take time, and result in less money. Throw in there the possibility that something illegal was going on without Dr. Teresa's knowledge as another added possible motive.
ETA: I think most likely the motive is money and the desire to be free of an unwanted marriage.
My theory is that Dr. Sievers wanted out of the marriage. Why do we continue with relationships that no longer serve us? Sound familiar?
MS is a grandiose type of individual, IMO. In reading his FB, he was always bragging about where they were going and what they were doing. I honestly do not think MS had an identity other than with being married to a successful doctor and all the perks that came with it. In other words, he had no identity as a person without Dr. Sievers. His marriage to her was what gave him all of the success he experienced. He could not have lived the way he did or taken the expensive trips on an LPN's salary. Without her, he was just no one in his mind without her practice and her money.
Money? Yes, that was his motive, IMO. He did not want to give up his lifestyle OR his standing in the community. I think he had become disillusioned with being just Mr. Mom and Mr. Office Manager. I also have to wonder if this new cable venture did not include him and he was jealous. I wonder if he was indignant thinking, "After all, I am MR. SIEVERS, how dare they not include me in this cable venture!".
My honest opinion is that he knew he was about to lose Dr. Sievers and he thought he could replace her in the new venture. I further believe he really thought he could keep the practice going and be more or less the boss of the practice.
IMO, he knew of the will and struck before Dr. Sievers could think of changing the will. Of course my bottom line is that I think MS has a tremendous part in this murder. (can I say that?)
First, thank to the mods for creating this forum.
I think I already posted my theory, but since there is a theory page....!
IMO, I'm thinking MS was a casino employee with aspirations for wealth and success, but no promising plan to get their quickly. TS was a woman who created her own success. She could "afford" to be swooned by a guy who could be her "right hand man" and not her provider. He got to ride on her coattails. She got someone to support her at home and at the office.
MS was successful only by association. Maybe he felt that he deserved some of the hero worship, from her, and from the world. But the TV shows and magazine covers, the patients, they only cared about her. Maybe he was tired of riding her coattails and wanted to wear the coat. Maybe there were other women who bought into the successful image MS portrayed and made him feel special. Maybe he started having affairs.
At the same time, maybe TS was discovering more and more about MS that made her uncomfortable--really, husband, your best friend is an ex-con meth head who is retired in his early forties to a trailer? Hmmm. So, husband, you told me that you wanted to go to law school, but that never happened. I thought you said you were ambitious w hen we met. Instead I pay for a chef and a nanny and....what exactly is your role again?
Maybe TS considered divorcing MS and told him so. (Maybe sometimes loudly.) But maybe she realized that would rock the kids' world and would also be a financial debacle. She would not only have to pay him monthly, but also now pay for childcare. Maybe she couldn't afford to divorce him. So she decided to stay and make the best of it. It wasn't THAT bad, after all.
Maybe MS promises the woman he's having an affair with that he'll leave his marriage. But, frustratingly, he realizes, he can't. Without TS, he would lose EVERYTHING: the practice, her money, her social cred, her professional cred, the house and pool, and maybe half the time he has with the kids. He would be back to square one, a guy who used to work in a casino, likely in an apt or townhouse, with little money, or more probably, big money problems. A loser in his mind.
Or, WOULD he have to lose everything? Not if something happened to TS. Like, if she interrupted a robbery in their home and got murdered. He could get MORE money than ever with insurance payments and donations from those who loved her through public fundraising. He could continue the practice and live happily ever after and build a life with his affair lady from the proceeds of the murder. Plus, he could even bring attention to the practice through TS's death.
But he'd have to do it himself, and then he could get caught--isn't the husband always the first person LE looks at? Hmmph.
But, then, CWW jokes about his dopey friend JR who fancies himself a hitman. And suddenly the crazy idea of getting rid of his wife seems to make sense. A break in gone wrong. The guy would probably do it for $10k. For a fee, CWW would make it happen and MS wouldn't even have to do anything except make sure TS is at home alone. MS could pay CWW through the practice and so there'd be no trail of the hit. And LE would never suspect a random dude from MO for the break in gone wrong.
Brilliant! Foolproof! Unless you have ever watched one episode of Dateline.
Very well thought out post, kammiemc, and somewhat along the same lines I posted just above your post!
We could have merged our theories!!!
Great post! I totally agree, and you said it so well.
Great post! I could not have stated it better.
A GRANDIOSE mind feels it can have it all and conquer all! If you take this thought into all of your above theories, you realize why it may have failed. Sometimes intelligence is in the mind of the beholder, not necessarily in the "fool proof" plan. Maybe we're giving them way too much credit...JMO