Ebola outbreak - general thread #1

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 3m3 minutes ago
Dallas #Ebola patient was helping and in contact with Ebola patients while in Liberia, witnesses and a community leader tell CNN.

 

[popsicle]

FOX Carolina News ‏@foxcarolinanews 4m4 minutes ago
#BREAKING DOH: Isolated patient in Honolulu does not have Ebola virus http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/26689744/state-department-of-health-officials-rule-out-possibility-isolated-patient-has-ebola-virus-details-at-hawa …

 

[SweetT]

I would agree with this if that those were the facts but they're not



Why do you think the hospital is publicly admitting as much as they have? because this guys family had to call the CDC and make them call the hospital so they know they're busted.

I think if the guy told the hospital he'd been in contact with someone who had ebola they probably would have listened and done something.. I'm not saying hospital doesn't have some fault but truth in what you've done does help..
It's partly the man's fault partly the hospitals fault partly our governments fault.. All there to create a perfect storm... I just do not want innocent people to suffer due to other people's negligence.. Fubar as usual

 

[WillenFan21]

he was exposed on the 15th he got on a plane on the 19th.

Are you suggesting he planned the international travel, got plan tickets, and got a visa in three days all while in Liberia....

There's no way he clearly already had the trip planned.

I hadn't seen that and no I wasn't. I figured he already had a visa. My thought process was that after the woman he was trying to help went to the hospital, and got told that there was no room in the ebola unit, that he thought "Oh I'm ****ed" and booked a flight to the US. Also who is to say that he didn't already have a visa and just booked the trip?

 

[sherbetjello]

FOX Carolina News ‏@foxcarolinanews 4m4 minutes ago
#BREAKING DOH: Isolated patient in Honolulu does not have Ebola virus http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/26689744/state-department-of-health-officials-rule-out-possibility-isolated-patient-has-ebola-virus-details-at-hawa …

Very good news!
Having this pop up in huge tourist stops/destinations with all the sheet changing, towels, spa's . . this would be nightmare mode.

 

[WillenFan21]

I think if the guy told the hospital he'd been in contact with someone who had ebola they probably would have listened and done something.. I'm not saying hospital doesn't have some fault but truth in what you've done does help..
It's partly the man's fault partly the hospitals fault partly our governments fault.. All there to create a perfect storm... I just do not want innocent people to suffer due to other people's negligence.. Fubar as usual

I totally agree with you. Not to mention it has been confirmed by Liberian officials that the guy lied on the health form saying he wasn't around people with Ebola.

 

[SweetT]

he was exposed on the 15th he got on a plane on the 19th.

Are you suggesting he planned the international travel, got plan tickets, and got a visa in three days all while in Liberia....

There's no way he clearly already had the trip planned.

He knew when he got on that plane that he'd been exposed to ebola and lied about it.. That's negligence and fraud.

 

[Le Singe]

Epidemiologists trace contacts by first interviewing the patient and then the family members to identify all possible names of the people the patient might have had contact with, Frieden said. Then, they will outline all the movements that could have taken place from the time the patient’s symptoms began until isolation.

A map will be made containing time, place and level of contact, shown in concentric circles to identify risk as high, medium, low.

The CDC team and other health officials will monitor all the contacts every day for 21 days. In Senegal, a single patient had more than 60 contacts and all were identified and none became ill, he said.

Frieden said that anyone with any likelihood of exposure from the Dallas case will be contacted.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/01/6165611/officials-say-only-one-ebola-case.html#storylink=cpy

Well, that's interesting. Then why did they quarantine the ambulance crew and take the ambulance out of service. Why aren't they releasing the airline and flight # that this guy flew in from? Did they take a poll of all the people flying on that airplane and ask if they were willing to fly with someone who could be infected with the Ebola virus and everyone voted yes?

you do realize you can't spread the virus until you are actually sick don't you?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

he was exposed on the 15th he got on a plane on the 19th.
Are you suggesting he planned the international travel, got plan tickets, and got a visa in three days all while in Liberia....
There's no way he clearly already had the trip planned.

I wonder at what point you have to answer those questions for the air travel. If he suspected he might get Ebola from the lady he handled, that would explain why he might lie on the questions in order to the to the USA in case he needed treatment. If he answered those question prior to treating the woman, then he didn't lie. However, imo, he had a moral obligation not to take that flight after he handled the woman.

This guy may be an American citizen. His mother lives in NC and so does his sister. I saw his FB page and I think he went to school here.

 

[SallyLu]

Press conference when it goes live.

http://www.keyetv.com/news/features/live-events/?wap=0/

Thank you. I hope they address the bits I keep reading in the news about us not to be concerned with the vomit.

Oh, and one final thing. For all those that keep bandying (spelling?) the word "hysteria" around. It's getting old. Acting superior with your knowledge and using that blanket word to all that don't share your views is infantile. We are sharing what we know and are discussing it. Plain and bloomin' simple!

 

[Le Singe]

This whole thing (EBOLA) is a big bunch of crap. I cannot believe this has been going on for years in this region of the world and no travel restrictions have been put in place. It's like the government does not want to take care of us. Cough, Cough......like they really would to begin with. I am going to quit life and become Amish

i'm not going to waste my time beyond saying there are massive factual errors in that statement.

 

[SweetT]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 3m3 minutes ago
Dallas #Ebola patient was helping and in contact with Ebola patients while in Liberia, witnesses and a community leader tell CNN.

So he purposely lied.. Now I'm not saying I wouldn't have tried to get out of a bad place myself if I were in the same situation.. But lying and exposing countless innocent others is not the way to do it.. That's saying your life is more important than x amount of others.. That's selfish and sick.

 

[1&2&3]

If my memory is correct, with Dr, Brantly, he was given blood from one of his patients who had survived Ebola. Wonder if blood from one of the two Americans have been obtained for Mr. Duncan?

 

[popsicle]

He was screened 3 times !!!!

 

[Le Singe]

If he wanted to travel to US for treatment, why didn't he announce that he'd had contact with a dead Ebola patient earlier? Like on arrival to the US. Why did he just go home after the first ER visit? For me, it's not adding up that he travelled to US for treatment.

correct in addition to the fact that the trip was clearly planed before he was exposed.

 

[SweetT]

I doubt it.. Seems they are saving the serum stuff for other doctors etc from what I understood.. They only have so much blood.

 

[Herding Cats]

I'm torn.

While on one hand I'm very mad at Duncan for bringing Ebola to my country, on the other hand I'm pragmatic enough to say it's here now, so what shall we do?

I'm not as confident as others are the cdc will be able to contain this disease. If you look at cultural differences alone, we americans are pretty independent minded . We would not take being locked down in a city, as they have done in some West African nations, as a quarantine zone. No, we wouldn't take that at all .

We're too used to being able to get in our car, drive wherever we want, shop were we want eat wherever we want... We are not used to the authoritarian measures that are apparently fairly common in west africa.

Some people on this thread ask " do we not think that we can handle a quarantine/ stop the infection like they did in nigeria"... My answer is no I don't think we can.

For us, this is a "new" disease. Nigeria has dealt with this disease for decades, and most west african nations are used to the stringent methods needed to contain Ebola. We are not. It's a very different political, economic, and cultural environment here... And I honestly don't believe we are prepared to deal with this.

We will see in the coming weeks how flexible we truly are. I can only hope that we are as flexible as we claim.

Best
Hc

 

[SStarr33]

you do realize you can spread the virus until you are actually sick don't you?

People Carrying Ebola, in Some Cases, May Be Free of Symptoms

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/27/w...la-in-some-cases-may-be-free-of-symptoms.html

 

[Le Singe]

My hysteria (and many that I see on this forum) is based on the fact that this man (to our belief) travelled to this country intentionally and omitted to state he had been in contact with people who had died with Ebola. His nephew who is giving interviews is based in the Carolinas. I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) is that he called the CDC.

didn't you just say he bought the ticket on september 2nd without any other information proves he clearly didn't plan his trip knowing he had ebola he didn't become symptomatic till the 24 more than 21 days after the 2nd.

 

[Lyra500]

I'm torn.

While on one hand I'm very mad at Duncan for bringing Ebola to my country, on the other hand I'm pragmatic enough to say it's here now, so what shall we do?

I'm not as confident as others are the cdc will be able to contain this disease. If you look at cultural differences alone, we americans are pretty independent minded . We would not take being locked down in a city, as they have done in some West African nations, as a quarantine zone. No, we wouldn't take that at all .

We're too used to being able to get in our car, drive wherever we want, shop were we want eat wherever we want... We are not used to the authoritarian measures that are apparently fairly common in west africa.

Some people on this thread ask " do we not think that we can handle a quarantine/ stop the infection like they did in nigeria"... My answer is no I don't think we can.

For us, this is a "new" disease. Nigeria has dealt with this disease for decades, and most west african nations are used to the stringent methods needed to contain Ebola. We are not. It's a very different political, economic, and cultural environment here... And I honestly don't believe we are prepared to deal with this.

We will see in the coming weeks how flexible we truly are. I can only hope that we are as flexible as we claim.

Best
Hc

No it has not!

This is the FIRST EVER outbreak of Ebola outside Central Africa or Sudan. They have never had an outbreak of Ebola in West Africa before this one started in Guinea way back in Dec 2013.

My understanding is that when the American citizen Patrick Sawyer went to Lagos from Liberia, he was the first person to be diagnosed in Nigeria, ever.