Evidence -- Body, Blood, Clothes, etc.

Discussion in 'Annie Le' started by STEADFAST, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. STEADFAST

    STEADFAST New Member

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    We can discuss what we find out about the evidence at the scene (s) here.

    What kind of clothes were in the ceiling?
    Are they RC's?
    What condition was Annie's body in?
    Where was blood found?
    Whose blood is it?
    Is RC's DNA under Annie's fingernails.
    Well, anyway, stuff like that.
     
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  3. Wise Old Owl

    Wise Old Owl Retired WS Staff & Founding member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    It was just released that she was strangled. Ok - next blaring question - where did the blood come from? We do know they found "bloody clothes" in the ceiling - so where did the blood come from? Do we know that yet?
     
  4. Celt1997

    Celt1997 New Member

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    Perhaps the rumors of some form of dismemberment are true?
     
  5. orangeeater

    orangeeater New Member

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    not sure where to put this (put it in r clark thread too)

    1) Does video camera show R Clark wearing different clothes before and after fire alarm?
    2) Do cell phone records show clark having left work (for the day) after the alarm? if so, how does he explain it? if not, where did he go in the building? ( I would assume he did not re-enter because he didnt retrieve his clothes)
    3) are there phone records that show him calling le beforehand?
     
  6. Wise Old Owl

    Wise Old Owl Retired WS Staff & Founding member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    :eek: oh no. I haven't heard that rumor - though I haven't been following this case that closely. Oh my. She was such a "little thing" anyway. Maybe he beat her up as well. Just make me sick to my stomach.

    RIP Annie.
     
  7. ChasingMoxie

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    Just bringing this over from the discussion thread, seems like it could end up being pretty significant:

     
  8. STEADFAST

    STEADFAST New Member

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    Looks like she scratched RC up pretty badly. It could be his blood. I believe LE has stated that the blood on the clothes in the ceiling was not Annie's blood. I'll look for a quotation and link.
     
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    It was a rumor I saw being discussed in another thread, although I do not know where it originated from.
     
  10. gxm

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    I was under the impression that the bloody clothes are the killer's and that Annie scratched him on the chest as she fought for her life which, to my mind, completely jibes with death by strangulation. I've mentioned before that I'm so glad she put up such a good fight. Did you see the biceps on RC? Petite Annie was way overmatched but it would be wonderful if she managed to leave evidence behind to catch her killer.

    ETA link with references to scratches on RC's chest and the blood on the clothes belonging to the killer:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...d_student_annie_le_not_random_say_police.html
     
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    Amster Active Member

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  12. Emma Peel

    Emma Peel Keep your bowler hat on in times of trouble, & bew

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    The fact that they have a conclusive COD as strangulation encourages me.

    We can hope for presence of DNA-body evidence, in particular evidence of the killer's DNA on body.
     
  13. nursebeeme

    nursebeeme Registered User

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    http://www.middletownpress.com/articles/2009/09/16/news/doc4ab1406d22fcf985520966.txt
     
  14. Hadiehl

    Hadiehl New Member

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    I posted this on the gen. discussion thread before I realized there were individual topic thread...probably why lurkers shouldn't post!

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    Is there any further detail available in regards to the clothes that were found, or if RC was seen on video arriving at the building in one outfit, and leaving in a different one? I'm curious to know how common it would be for an animal tech to keep a change of clothes at the lab? My layman assumption is that the tech's clothing would be protected by a lab coat -- is that the 'bloody clothing' that was found?

    If the clothing in question was something more akin to pants and/or a shirt, I wonder how new, clean clothing was obtained. For instance, do the techs have lockers where clean clothes can be stored in case they're ever needed? Or is having a change of clothes at work more of a rarity, perhaps suggesting premeditation? My other thought was that maybe someone brought him a change of clothes upon request. Then again, we probably don't have enough information to even discuss this aspect....

    Heather
     
  15. Kat

    Kat Kind words do not cost much

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    A "source" (Your guess is as good as mine as to who that might be) says this about some evidence:


    http://www.courant.com/news/connect...ale-student-murdered-cause-of,0,4101796.story
    7:51 p.m. EDT, September 15, 2009
     
  16. nursebeeme

    nursebeeme Registered User

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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j3Z7m0uROG-_CM8GzpRCqE2M9IbwD9AOKOI00
     
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    "Blood splatter were found on a laundry cart and a bead from her necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where she was killed and stuffed into a wall panel.

    ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of research mice, with which Le was working and which Clark was in charge of overseeing. "

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970
     
  18. Harmony 2

    Harmony 2 Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Thanks for posting that crucial piece of information about the text. That was the day she went missing. That was probably the summons Puffster referred to.
     
  19. TexasLil

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    This will definitely help establish premeditation if he is the one who killed her.
     
  20. MWright

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    Here is some discussion about him on video surveillance. Not known yet whether the clothes he was wearing while leaving were different than when he arrived...

    Video surveillance (circumstantial) evidence:
    Snip: "Clark left the building at the time of a fire alarm. Surveillance camera footage is said to show him looking considerably more distraught than could be explained by a simple evacuation." http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/16/2009-09-16_could_brutal_tale_be_about_mice.html
     
  21. MWright

    MWright New Member

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    Swipe card evidence on day Annie was missing, also from NY Daily News...

    "Investigators also noted swipe card records that are said to show Clark usually went through the building in an orderly fashion in accordance with the demands of his work.

    But the swipe card records from the day Le disappeared show Clark moving from room to room with no apparent logic, at points going to places unrelated to his job.

    Such a pattern might fit somebody who was frenetically searching for a place to hide a body."

    Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/16/2009-09-16_could_brutal_tale_be_about_mice.html
     

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