Evidence revealed during the course of the Wrongful Death action

Discussion in 'Rebecca Zahau Nalepa' started by *Lash*, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl ...

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    I'd like to see the "investigative file" which contains the inarguable proof that Adam Shacknai took an ambien.

    I'd also like to see a unicorn.

    These two wishes share a common impediment to fulfilment.
     
  2. screecher

    screecher "Dina is going to kill me!"

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    ^ the 'investigative file' must be pretty thin. IMO, there wasn't much of an investigation.
     
  3. EVLizzel

    EVLizzel New Member

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    I can't pretend to know what happened to MS or RZ, and do feel that both deaths are now stained with suspicion, but that part of Ann Rule's writing left me with a bad taste because of how biased it seemed.

    I also wanted to say that I don't think MS's family has to necessarily think that RZ actively hurt MS in order to responsible for his death. They could easily blame for by just believing her to be negligent in his care. How many times do you read articles of children dying in accidents and commenters immediately
    crying 'Where were the parents? The babysitter? The teacher?' and sometimes they have a good point, but also sometimes bad things just happen.
     
  4. LuckyLucy2

    LuckyLucy2 Former Member

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    And I'd like to see any evidence at all that Adam was anywhere other that the guesthouse that night - Ambian taking or not. But I am more likely to see a unicorn…a rainbow colored one.
     
  5. LuckyLucy2

    LuckyLucy2 Former Member

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    The Zahaus have it. Why did they never release the information to their followers? IMO, because too much evidence existed that disproves their civil case and IMO, there is information about RZ that they do not want anyone to know.
     
  6. LuckyLucy2

    LuckyLucy2 Former Member

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    And sometimes bad things just happen…like people taking their own life with no warning to family members. Happens all the time.
     
  7. Ausgirl

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    What has this got to do with the point I was making, re Ann Rule's veracity? Sorry if I've somehow missed it.
     
  8. LuckyLucy2

    LuckyLucy2 Former Member

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    Your quote was about the investigative files, not Ann Rules book. You want to see inarguable proof that Adam Shacknai took an ambien, and I'm not sure why. Whether he took an ambien or not proves nothing about Rebecca's death. I want to see proof. Physical evidence. And Adam was never there, never went in the main house at all, so they have no evidence to prove he was ever upstairs with Rebecca. None.
     
  9. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl ...

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    .... nope.
     
  10. inthedark14

    inthedark14 Active Member

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    If AS never went into the main house at all...where did he get the knife he said he used to cut the rope? How did he manage to not leave any DNA on that knife or on the rope, not only where he cut it (he would have been holding it pretty tight one would think to cut it) but also where he said he loosened the bindings on RZ's hands? How did he manage to not leave any DNA on RZ or the bindings tying her body?

    ALWAYS MOO
     
  11. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    As well AR wrote the Housemaid video was seized from the mansion, yet the search warrant listing the items seized from the mansion DOES NOT include this video. Fact or fiction? Imo, you can't cherry pick. I personally choose not to use the material in the book as fact. Even if any of the material supports my personal opinion Rebecca was murdered.

    Search warrant 41227 - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_41227.pdf
     
  12. EVLizzel

    EVLizzel New Member

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    A thought that occurs to me is that IF someone did murder RZ, stage her murder as a suicide, that all the japanese video/bondage stuff might point to a person that boxed all asian people as one, someone who didn't realize or care what her ethnicity really was.

    Was there any evidence of googling japanese bondage/porn prior to around the time of her death?

    Was it ever determined what kind of porn AS watched that morning/was into? How about JS?

    It just makes me think of how fetishized Asian women often are by white men.
     
  13. Zinn

    Zinn New Member

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    In my opinion, it was not staged as a suicide. Nothing about the scene says suicide to me. The fact that AS interpreted it as such (or claimed to) seems suspicious to me. I might be willing to believe that perhaps from afar he believed that was the case, but it's very hard for me to believe he would not think otherwise once he got close enough to see the bindings, gag and condition of Rebecca's body. It's hard for me to imagine any adult encountering a victim in such condition and interpreting the likely cause as suicide, unless perhaps they are in extreme shock.

    IIRC, NR stated in her interview that she was skeptical of the cause of Max's death and wondered if 911 was intentionally misled. That seems like an interesting coincidence to me. Regardless, I just can't imagine seeing a victim in that condition and concluding they had committed suicide. I will admit I've never been in such a position myself, so I feel I should leave room for the possibility of shock playing a role, but that would not reasonably extend to the scene being described as staged to depict a suicide.

    All of the above is just my opinion.
     
  14. LuckyLucy2

    LuckyLucy2 Former Member

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    I think most people would think suicide before murder when seeing a person hanging. It is one of the top ways to commit suicide, not murder. And it turned out that Adam was correct.
     
  15. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    This thread is to discuss the evidence ONLY. It is NOT a general discussion thread. Please stay on topic here.

    I've moved a few posts to the other thread.

    Salem
     
  16. Ausgirl

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    I find it interesting that there are both black rubber -and- black leather gloves present. Black rubber gloves just left lying around. At the scene of a suspicious death... I have wondered whether this was deliberate, and meant to point to a rape/murder. Like the knives. The plastic bag. The gag. The third-person message on the door. All things commonly found at the scene of a violent death.

    I have also wondered whether the "suicide" ruling was just like Xmas for whoever did this to Rebecca.
     
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  17. EVLizzel

    EVLizzel New Member

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    I have a question that the writing on the wall brings up.

    Is there any evidence to suggest that Jonah was expected to come home at any point that night or extremely early the next morning?

    I think I remember reading that she was going to bring him clean clothes the next day, but the writing on the wall, IF she didn't write it herself, makes it seem like he was expected to discover her.
     
  18. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Regarding the definitive source of the information that Adam Shacknai took Ambien the evening of June 12, 2011 we have a more recent source (within the last 30 days or so) for this information than Ann Rule's book.

    Adam and his attorneys make reference to Adam "likely" taking Ambien, in his response to the Second Amended Complaint:

    (BBM)

    https://www.pacer.gov/ , Case # 3:13-cv-01624-w-nls; Document 47, filed 10/ 29/ 14; page 3 of 9

    I'm not sure why the term "likely" was inserted, unless that's just lawyer speak. Adam would definitely know if he took one or not.

    And regarding item 13 above, Adam is the only one of the three defendants that specifically refers to Max's death as an accident. May be significant, may not, FWIW.
     
  19. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Nina has some interesting comments in her response to the Second Amended Complaint. Nina indicates that Jonah knew Max was not going to survive on the evening of June 12, 2011, and told this to Rebecca in the "lost" voicemail at 2150 hours. It's unlikely that one parent would be told this grave information, and the other parent not told this. Therefore, I conclude that if Jonah knew Max would not survive, then Dina knew this at the same time. They were co-custodial parents, both involved and present in the area. No reason to believe Jonah was told, but Dina wasn't. (However, Dina has an "out" on her interview comments that she just thought he'd need a tutor and sit out a soccer season-- she may be able to report that she was told Max wouldn't live, but didn't accept it or believe it, due to her grief.) Nina's comments parrot Sheriff Gore's press conference announcing their results.

    https://www.pacer.gov/ Case 3:13-cv-01624-w-nls Document 46 Filed 10/29/14 Page 5-6 of 12
     
  20. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    So, I thought it might be illuminating to compare what each of the three defendants has to say about Max's death, as pretty much everyone who knows anything about this case believes that Max's death resulted in Rebecca's death.

    Nina's comments in her response the the Second Amended Complaint (linked above):

    Adam's comments in his response to the Second Amended Complaint (linked above):

    Dina's comments about Max's death in her response to the Second Amended Complaint:
    https://www.pacer.gov/ Case 3:13-cv-01624-w-nls Document 49 Filed 10/30/14 Page 4 of 12

    Interesting that of the 3 defendants, Nina is the one who blames/ accuses Rebecca:

    "...who had suffered life threatening injuries while under Rebecca
    Zahau's supervision and care
    and who was then hospitalized, had taken a turn for the
    worse and was not expected to survive."
     

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