Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

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  1. Harmony 2

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  3. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    The namecalling ends. Now. It's clear in our rules that namecalling of players in cases, or each other, is a rules violation. If I see any more namecalling in this thread, the poster gets to be on the outside looking in.

    Zero tolerance from this point forward. :saber:
     
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    iluvmua Active Member

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    Does this family seriously think this is a great place to take her? Have they even checked it out?

    This is no place to take someone much less someone hooked up to a breathing machine.

    I doubt the place even has air conditioning.
     
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    Do you mean the surgeries for the children receiving the organs? If so, the organs could go anywhere in the US, whoever is on top of the list.
     
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    I randomly clicked on about 7 states, and the definitions were all extremely similar and, in some cases, identical.
     
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    It was mentioned on the previous thread that there was no legal reason the hospital couldn't do the trach and gastric tube surgery so I thought I would post this again....apparently with the first extension the court ruled that the hospital is not to do these, and that ruling was upheld yesterday.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...cmath-hospital-fights-court-remove-brain-dead

    "On Tuesday, Jahi family attorney Christopher Dolan filed a second brief with the appeals court, asking the judge to reverse earlier orders forbidding the hospital from giving Jahi a tracheotomy for breathing and inserting a gastric tube for feeding. However, a judge denied that request a short time later.

    Hospital officials have refused to perform any medical procedure on Jahi since she was declared brain dead, saying it is unethical to do so. The hospital also will not allow an outside doctor to perform the procedures at Children's Hospital, according to spokesman Sam Singer."
     
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    From the prior thread: "I know people who have kept their brain-damaged child in their home with 24-hour-nursing care so it really isn't as impossible as the hospital is insisting."

    Having home care for a relative is not the same as a business accepting patients for care for reimbursement.

    There are standards that have to be met to be licensed. Healthcare businesses that accept patients for care must meet CMS (Medicare) regulations, which are usually inspected by state health facilities licensing boards.

    You cannot equate home care with a 24/7 licensed facility.

    I will be happy to research the license for the New York facility if you can provide a name.
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  14. Karmady

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    That's correct.

    From the link

    Irreversible cessation of all functions of the brain including the cortex and the brain stem. This definition of whole brain death has been endorsed by the American Medical Association and the American Bar Association, and is law in 46 states. Thirty-six of these states have adopted some version of the Uniform Determination of Death Act, which includes whole brain death as a legal determination of death. Criteria for diagnosis rest on three principal abnormalities: (1) severe coma of known cause; (2) absent brainstem reflexes; and (3) sustained apnea. If brain death criteria are satisfied, the patient is legally dead and no further treatment or permission to treat is necessary.

    http://www.ascensionhealth.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117&Itemid=172
     
  15. forthelost

    forthelost I hear the angels call my name and I am Winterborn

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    I don't think the family has to return any money donated. I've got a fundraiser on the site myself and no one keeps track of where the money goes. You have to just trust the person.
     
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    No, I meant the surgery to remove the organs from the donor.
     
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    <modsnip> I also don't know where you get the idea that the New York facility expects to reimbursed for Jahi's care or that they intended to create a 24/7 facility. They didn't say that in their letter and the news media haven't reported that fact.
     
  18. vlpate

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    LINK".....under few circumstances do we allow operative surgery with muscle relaxation and without analgesia or anaesthesia, leading to a psychological compulsion to provide anaesthesia. Second, the hypertension and tachycardia that accompanies the donation operation can be distressing for operating theatre personnel to witness and for this reason alone one should always administer anaesthesia or agents to control these reflexes."

    BEM

    From a corpse, true....from a brain dead patient on a ventilator within a window of opportunity, absolutely possible, the way I understand everything I've read. Tricky verbiage, IMO


    It serves to keep the attendings and observers from freaking out...or that's what I gathered from the articles I've read...one is cited above.

    Organ donation, however, is a moot point for Jahi. I think you might be worried that she can feel pain now...she can't. The movements described in the article you cited happen for an entirely different reason. She can't feel anything...her brain is not firing off impulse signals.
     
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    NEW YORK, October 1, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – At least one in five patients declared “brain dead” and approved as “organ donors” by one organ donation organisation, are in fact still alive and are being killed by the removal of vital organs, a lawsuit filed last week in Manhattan alleges. The suit outlines the ghoulish worst-case scenario, one that was widely dismissed as scaremongering in the early days of the development of organ transplant technology, but which is getting a second hearing amidst growing concerns that coercion and abuse are becoming increasingly common in the highly lucrative transplant business.


    The New York Organ Donor Network, McMahon says, even hires “coaches” to help obtain consent “notes”. These coaches, the suit contends, are nothing more than sales and marketing experts who teach transplant coordinators to use high-pressure psychological tactics to play on the emotions of vulnerable family members. The suit alleges that employees who failed to make their quotas were fired.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/one-in-five-brain-dead-patients-still-alive-claims-lawsuit


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  20. Kimster

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    Everyone is safe.

    However............

    I'm adding two issues that need to be addressed.

    No more personalizing. Time outs for this from now on. If someone is bugging you for some reason, use the alert feature and/or put the member on your ignore list. The modsnips are many and our mods are not editors. They are moderators.

    Use links to back up your facts! If you are not a verified professional in the field of the topic you are discussing, you must link!

    None of this is new. If you don't understand what is going on, please contact me privately so I can help you.

     
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    I'm going to give the reins back to Harmony2 now. Be nice to her! I mean it! :nono:
     
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