Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[docyabut]

Its odd that John Ramsey went to the bank to get that money that morning and the suspects didn't call ? I guess they killed her because she was screaming so much and they couldn't return her alive to get the money.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Its odd that John Ramsey went to the bank to get that money that morning and the suspects didn't call ? I guess they killed her because she was screaming so much and they couldn't return her alive to get the money.

John Ramsey didn't go to the bank. His friend John Fearnie had contacts with a bank and helped put the money together. John got some calls, but he remained in the house all morning.

 

[eishish]

Their oldest daughter Beth was born in the Philippines. This is written in her online obituary.

The 3 being linked to philipines, will ck her accident details, the whole gist of letter is threats appearing to revolve behind past associates. The $ amount, etc. Interestingly most can be explained away, that note, no. It is the oddest thing. Certainly more sick behavior, but that note is as angry as you can get...

 

[Indy_ar]

Yes, normally the GJ only hears the the prosecution's side, but in the Ramsey case Lou Smit was allowed to present his IDI theory and the GJ disregarded it....

FBI profiler John Douglas was also allowed to testify and again the GJ disregarded his IDI theory.

John and Patsy Ramsey were each indicted in 1999 on two counts of child abuse resulting in death. One count accused them of letting JonBenet be placed in a situation where she might be harmed or killed; the other accused them of helping an unnamed person escape prosecution on suspicion of murder and child abuse resulting in death.

As mentioned above, Lou Smith was part of the prosecutor team, he did not work for the Ramsey's

 

[cenazoic]

I`m guessing Lucinda Pasch was a PHILIPPINE

You’re totally making up this Phillippines thing out of whole cloth.

Pasch

Clipping found in Evening World-Herald published in Omaha, Nebraska on 7/29/1966. Pasch

www.newspapers.com

When Elizabeth was born, JR was stationed in the Philippines, as were many tens of thousands of other US sailors. There is nothing in the slightest notable or suspicious about this. She lived their for less than 6 months before moving back to the US.

 

[Jink3]

Who ever wrote that ransom letter hated JR and wanted his money ;(

Thats what the Ramsey's wanted you to think.

 

[docyabut]

The law got to find thats killer `s DNA even though he`s from another country ,

like this one

DNA evidence helps identify woman’s killer 36 years after her death​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/08/us/tracy-whitney-cold-case-dna-evidence/index.html

 

[Mandala]

If there’s viable DNA that doesn’t match any family then why hasn’t the case progressed with the modern techniques such as genealogy?

IMO the indictment says a lot, without saying anything directly incriminating.

 

[docyabut]

Why was the Male`s DNA found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and on a weapon? the same DNA?

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Have they ever done tests where they take children around the same age and similar lifestyle and test the clothing that they were wearing that day for touch DNA? I mean I know it's easily transferrable but how common is it to have 6 unknown samples and the amount (however amount there was) that was found? Also, how common is it to find touch DNA from a factory worker from a different country on clothing like underwear? I think having some comparison would help people understand whether that's important evidence or not. I think people hear that there was DNA that wasn't the families and immediately think there had to be an intruder but it doesn't work that way.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Have they ever done tests where they take children around the same age and similar lifestyle and test the clothing that they were wearing that day for touch DNA? I mean I know it's easily transferrable but how common is it to have 6 unknown samples and the amount (however amount there was) that was found? Also, how common is it to find touch DNA from a factory worker from a different country on clothing like underwear? I think having some comparison would help people understand whether that's important evidence or not. I think people hear that there was DNA that wasn't the families and immediately think there had to be an intruder but it doesn't work that way.

I know they tested a bunch of new garments to see if they had trace DNA in amounts comparable to UM1. None came close - at best it was a tenth of the volume of UM1.

 

[docyabut]

According to the autopsy, JonBenét was found wearing a long-sleeved, white collarless shirt decorated with sequins, as well as white long underwear. Her underwear was “urine stained,” and “in the inner aspect of the crotch,” there were “several red areas of staining,” according to the autopsy.

 

[docyabut]

What is the new evidence in Jonbenet?
Twenty-eight years later, what evidence could prove an intruder did it?

The key piece of DNA evidence is foreign male, unidentified DNA found in JonBenét's underpants, mixed with her blood. A lot of DNA sampling at the crime scene was very compromised, and so a lot of suspects have been ruled out who shouldn't have been The key piece of DNA evidence is foreign male, unidentified DNA found in JonBenét’s underpants, mixed with her blood. A lot of DNA sampling at the crime scene was very compromised, and so a lot of suspects have been ruled out who shouldn't have been. There is now technology that can separate the two profiles [hers and the male’s]. A number of cold cases have been solved with genealogical DNA testing, 23andme type of family DNA.

'Cold Case: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey' Director: 'I Believe It Can Be Solved'

A new Netflix docuseries argues the case was bungled, but new DNA techniques could find the killer

www.aarp.org

 

[docyabut]

 

[docyabut]

Touch DNA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is DNA in saliva or blood?
DNA is contained in blood, semen, skin cells, tissue, organs, muscle, brain cells, bone, teeth, hair, saliva, mucus, perspiration, fingernails, urine, feces, etc

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Regardless of whether the police think it was a family member or an intruder, they should test the DNA. If the DNA comes back to a plausible suspect who was in Boulder at the time than they may have their killer. If it's determined to be DNA of people that could not have committed the murder, whether because of their age or strong alibi, then they have more reason to believe a family member did it.

 

[Soulmagent]

Regardless of whether the police think it was a family member or an intruder, they should test the DNA. If the DNA comes back to a plausible suspect who was in Boulder at the time than they may have their killer. If it's determined to be DNA of people that could not have committed the murder, whether because of their age or strong alibi, then they have more reason to believe a family member did it.

They have zero reason to believe anything different than family. If this family didn't have money and status ,this crime would have been solved. Which is the complete reverse of the normal pattern. IMO

 

[Styngyn]

They have zero reason to believe anything different than family. If this family didn't have money and status ,this crime would have been solved. Which is the complete reverse of the normal pattern. IMO

Political protection, coverups, & Savvy PR saved them at the end of the day

 

[Indy_ar]

Touch DNA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is DNA in saliva or blood?
DNA is contained in blood, semen, skin cells, tissue, organs, muscle, brain cells, bone, teeth, hair, saliva, mucus, perspiration, fingernails, urine, feces, etc

I normally used Wikipedia mainly to see the references. I found two articles there that explain the term. The real name is LCN DNA Analysis per NFSTC - archived article here https://web.archive.org/web/20110103134356/http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject09/pdi_s09_m01_03_b.htm. The touch DNA term was actually first used in the Ramsey's case per Scientific American - What is touch DNA?
The tests should be done in clean rooms due to the sensitivity of the test but per NFSTC, since the test is accurate, it is easy to identify if other individuals were contributors to the test. In the Ramsey's case, all known persons that could have access to the materials and all individuals known to have been present were tested and had no contributions to the DNA tested so it is likely from an unknown source. Furthermore, the genetic material on the underwear was mixed with the blood.

 

[Reporter-C.Lin]

Maybe "points to", but crime solving needs something that categorically rules out any other possibility beyond a reasonable doubt, which I don't believe is possible, as the police didn't seal off the property and seriously investigate for evidence of an intruder.

And if the evidence is strong against the Ramsey's, why have they never been charged?

Until someone is charged and the evidence presented in court, and someone is convicted, every crime is unsolved. So at this point it is all just speculation. The word 'proof, just means 'my personal opinion'.

JMO

Grand jury decided to charge Patsy and John Ramsey for JonBonnet Ramsey's death. The prosecutor back then opted to not follow what the grand jury decided. If you're asking what proof? Well, the grand jury saw all the evidence. So, here's the validity of suspecting Pasty and John that you're asking for.

From ABC News: "Over the course of more than a year, the juror said he and the other grand jurors grappled with testimony from dozens of witnesses and even took a field trip to the Ramsey home, where they went down into the basement to see the crime scene with their own eyes."
"But, in an astonishing turn of events, the prosecutor nullified the findings of his own grand jury."

Grand Juror Who Saw Original Evidence in JonBenet Ramsey Case Speaks Out

He believes there was enough evidence to indict the Ramseys of a crime.

abcnews.go.com

I can say beyond any reasonable doubts that Patsy wrote the ransom note. From where the ransom note was left (at a small staircase to the back of the house that Patsy used the most) to the content (the exact amount of John's bonus), the paper and the pen used for the note (were from the house), all ruled out outsiders. What kind of international criminal organization came to the house to kidnap and didn't bring their own prepared note? And why hand-write the note? What kind of pedophile didn't just take the girl and leave but decided to stay in the basement and then go back upstairs to use the paper and pen there to write a lengthy note, supposedly already knew no one would come downstairs before 5 AM? There was also a practice note written on the same notepad. Just the note itself rules out intruders or outsiders. The grand jury certainly agreed back then.