FBI considering hate crime charges against Zimmerman #1

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by JBean, May 14, 2012.

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  1. annalia

    annalia Active Member

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    I don't believe that GZ ever said that he walked up to the car, stared at him and then took off running.

    But even if it had happened that way, thinking as an adult, if a kid was being watched, then that kid stops to look at who was in the car watching him, the kid doesn't recognize the person and then takes off running, two thoughts would immediately come to my mind, the kid was stopping to see who it was that following him, perhaps to see if he recognized the person inside the can. Then seeing that the person following and watching from in the car was a stranger, running away would be because he was in fact some random stranger that was following him. The fact that he ran away would show he wanted to get away from this stranger.

    But if Trayvon's running away from GZ made him more suspicious then how can it also be said that him not running, not running fast enough, or not getting home fast enough also made him suspicious?
     


  2. gxm

    gxm Active Member

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    IMO, because GZ was not absolutely sure at first, but then once he saw TM up close, he realized he was, indeed, African American.
     
  3. Karmady

    Karmady Former Member

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    I predict George won't be going to any big house, unless it's the one he buys with the money from the civil suits he brings after this is all over. But if he did go to prison, I don't think he'd be interested in joining any Mexican gangs, what with him being white and all. jmo
     
  4. Concerned Papa

    Concerned Papa New Member

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    I don't get into the alleged race angle of this situation too much because it's not as important to me as the specific actions of that night. I would like to understand, however, where this alleged crime spree of "young black males" is coming from other than George Zimmerman and his pal Taaffe.

    The link below has copies of 47 Event Reports resulting from calls placed by Zimmerman. Of the 47, twenty three are from 2009 forward after he moved to Twin Lakes.

    Of these 23 reports, only 3 mention to term "black male", young or otherwise. I waded through every one of his calls ranging from problems with 4 year olds, 7 year olds, motor bikes doing wheelies, and loud parties but 2 reports in August, 2011, SIX MONTHS before TM went walking down the street, and one in February 2012 were the only ones I found.

    True, 24 days before he killed a young black male doing nothing illegal, Zimmerman SAYS he watched a black male at Taaffe's house. All I know is what the report says.

    When the same LE officer that held Zimmerman at gunpoint on 2/26/12 arrived at Taaffe's house on 2/2/12, no black male was there, nothing was wrong or out of place, and nothing had been burglarized.

    Where's this "young black male" crime spree that is supposed to have justified Zimmerman's scrutiny of TM coming from? Does anyone have a link that DOESN'T have what Zimmerman or his pal Taaffe have to say on the subject?

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/327330-george-zimmerrman-911-call-history.html#document/p44
     
  5. Velouria

    Velouria Active Member

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    Right. It is what it is - an unverifiable statement by a party with a vested interest.
     
  6. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure? I thought he called because the kids were playing in the street.
     
  7. Maxim

    Maxim New Member

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    So, based on 200 years of race relations, our black citizens are justified in "profiling" a white man. Was this white man responsibile for those 200 years? Not unless this white man was 200 years old; and, if he was that old he would be the one in more danger from a crack in the sidewalk.

    The Founders pulled a slick trick against the pro-slavery faction. "All men are created equal" paved the way for all men to begin this "human race" equally. White men.

    White men fought a war because of equality. My great-grandfather died in the Civil War--fought for the Union, captured and brutalized, he died in a camp. It made a big difference in my grandfather's life, and a difference in my father's life. My gasoline costs the same; there is no benefit from what happened 150 years ago.

    Legislators passed Civil Rights Laws. Largely White Men.

    So, if it's proven that GZ shot TM with malice because he was black, he goes to jail--based on fact.
     
  8. Karmady

    Karmady Former Member

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    Only if the officer identifies himself as such and there is an actual assualt. Plus, there's that little detail of those charges having been dismissed.
     
  9. Velouria

    Velouria Active Member

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    Or so one would think. Why then, did Zimmerman make it a point to say Mexicans instead of guys, criminals, gang members, or any other descriptive term that wasn't race or ethnicity based?
     
  10. JBean

    JBean Retired WS Administrator

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    We did read in the police call report that he called on kids playing in the street as they were running in front of cars- not an unreasonable call if true.

    But, in the docs, I think it was page 26? not sure, but the officer states that all his calls "regarding suspicious persons" were regarding black males. I don't think the children or some of the other calls would be included in the ones he referred to as "suspicious persons" calls.

    So, while there may have been numerous calls by George in general, the impression I got was that the officer was only referring to the calls that concerned reports of suspicious persons adn every one was concerning black males. IIRC, the call about Trayvon was his 5th such call.
     
  11. Karmady

    Karmady Former Member

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    Because they were Mexican?
     
  12. Velouria

    Velouria Active Member

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    No, the charge was plead down. Doesn't mean the assault didn't happen or that the officer didn't identify himself.

    While we're on the subject of identifying one's self, it's not a bad idea for members of Neighborhood Watch to identify themselves when confronting others. Especially when confronting at night, in the dark, while carrying a loaded weapon.
     
  13. gypsyblue

    gypsyblue this is not what Haleigh would have wanted

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    nah its not sarcasm.... Im really wondering how gz can identify the color of Trayvons pants, color of his shoes, color of his hoodie, and a hand in the waistband....yet you state.....but not the color of his skin...
    im also wondering where this proof is that Trayvon came all the way up to gzs car....
     
  14. Karmady

    Karmady Former Member

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    No, the charges were withdrawn and the case dismissed. Again, that's the whole point of a diversion.
     
  15. persnickety

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    No where in the snipped portion of the 911 call does the accused murderer state that Trayvon had walked up to the car and started at him which is what you said in your previous post. I believe the accused murderer states "he's coming towards me" and "yep, he's coming to check me out."
     
  16. Velouria

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    He has a better chance of landing his dream job as a cop than he does of recovering damages in any civil suits. JMO.
     
  17. Velouria

    Velouria Active Member

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    Okay, so criminal and Mexican are somehow inextricably linked. Gotcha.
     
  18. Concerned Papa

    Concerned Papa New Member

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    Five calls in 3 years = a crime wave? That's what I'm trying to understand. I found 4 of these 5 in the link I posted above, but from what I can gather, of the ENTIRE 47 reports at the link, only ONE resulted in an arrest.

    I'm just not following how this is supposed to explain or justify his heightened awareness or scrutiny of TM. As nearly as I can tell, he didn't follow the guy he says was at Taaffe's house 24 days earlier, and that time he also had a gun AND a 100 lb dog.

    What's supposed to have made TM so much more worthy of following?

    ETA: Excuse me, I should have said 2 arrests as a result of his calls. I forgot to include George.
     
  19. gxm

    gxm Active Member

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    AFAIK, there were three instances of GZ calling in reports on children. One involved a 7- to 9-year old boy who was walking to school, alone, on a busy highway. GZ was concerned about his safety.

    Another time, GZ called because some children were playing in the street and, apparently, he was again concerned about safety.

    IIRC, the third instance involved children climbing over the pool fence when it was closed and being disruptive/vandalizing the area they'd trespassed upon.

    JMO, OMO, and MOO because I'm too lazy to go look up the call dates.
     
  20. Lovelymountains

    Lovelymountains New Member

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    Great post and I, for one, admire her greatly because of the reasons you stated above.
     
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