FL FL - “Maritime John Doe", Wht, 65-75, maritime tattoo, Atlantic Ocean, Sep'03

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  1. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    What is a weed line?
     
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  2. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    Do you think his hair is dyed? Usually redheads are the first to go gray.
     
  3. GatorFL

    GatorFL Well-Known Member

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    A line of weeds in the surf. Very common, you can see some of them stuck in his shirt in the NSFW pics. Fisherman are always on the lookout for a weed line. They're part of the food chain.
     
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    Looks pretty natural in the PM pics. But who knows for sure?
     
  5. coffeeandacig

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    Kind of looks like my cousins hair. He's a blonde, went gray with age, and then ended up with a orangish tint from brown hair dye that faded really quickly.
     
  6. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    Images of his pants look white not khaki as stated in this release. Also the height has changed from 6ft 1in in the original release to 5ft 7in. That's a bit of a change.

    I don't think this guy looks frail. I do think he's at the higher age estimate. If he had hernia surgery he could have been wearing the brace if he was fishing for bigger fish on a boat. There is no information on the age of the scars on the UID. Here's a list of medical conditions that respond to wearing a back brace, taking note that some people wear them to improve their posture.

    • Kyphosis
    • Ankylosing spondylitis
    • Osteoporosis
    • Back muscle sprains
    • Spinal cord injuries
    • Scoliosis
    • Spinal tumors
    • Spinal fractures
    • Whiplash
    • Spondylolisthesis
     
  7. coffeeandacig

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    Poor guy. He was probably in a lot of pain.
    I think you're right @branmuffin he is at the older age limit.
    I'm going to make a lot of wild guesses, so please be patient with my speculation...

    I think he is possibly around 77 years old, being born around 1926. I'd say he entered the Navy near the end of WW2 in 1944-45. Since he was a child of the Depression, I'd say he had untreated scoliosis from childhood. It would explain the height discrepancy from an original 6' 1" to 5' 7". It is very possible that he was suffering immense pain. Curvature of the spine can cause a crushing of the internal organs, since they are pushed downward as the back hunches forward. This crushing can lead to breathing problems, hernia's of intestines, greater stomach bile secretion, and a myriad of other problems. It is a pain filled existence to suffer with scoliosis at it's advanced stages.

    JMHO...
     
  8. GatorFL

    GatorFL Well-Known Member

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    Khakis can refer to the type of pants here, so instead of jeans he's described as wearing khakis. They're Dockers, if you walk into a dept store and ask to see khakis, that is what they will show you.

    Interesting the size of them, 38 x 31. It is visible in one of the scene photos. He's not 6'1" with 31" legs, maybe more like 5'8".
     
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    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    It's funny, this is the second UID that I've come across on WS where the deceased's height is listed as much taller and the pants of the deceased would suggest a much smaller guy. One sleuther mentioned that all the men in her family had big bellies and short legs and really were the taller height measurement. So who knows. I'm 5ft 2in tall and the inseam on my jeans is 29 inches so I must have a short torso.

    I do agree that the term khaki has become so common that it can refer to the material as well as the colour. If the pants are a light beige or sand colour they do not appear so in the images, unless the image has been overexposed.
     
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    I couldn't edit to shrink the exact tattoo location of this example- I apologize. It is from a Marine tat site. The site shows 91 very common Marine and Merchant Marine tattoos. Many USMC tattoos seem to have "Semper Fi" incorporated into the design.
    Top 91 Marines Tattoo Ideas - [2021 Inspiration Guide]

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    Ahhh yes. Spent lots of time in my childhood looking for weed lines and diving birds fishing offshore
     
  12. MagicCityMan

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    Highly unlikely that he was out by himself on a boat due to his physical state...boating/fishing is hard work and even the most experienced fishermen usually go out with 1 or more other people. People do, of course, go out alone and fall off their vessels out at sea (look up Rob Conrad) but the vessel would presumably end up somewhere. If he was out fishing with others (certainly possible) then why would they not have reported him missing at sea?
    This case really truly baffles me.
     
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    Missed or forgot that this UID man's death is being investigated as a homicide..
    https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-...-case-homicide-in-palm-beach-county-from-2003
    Apr 30, 2019 rbbm.
    ''Detectives said he was found floating in the Atlantic Ocean, approximately five miles east of the Boynton Beach Inlet, on Sept. 7, 2003.

    PBSO's Violent Crimes Division is investigating his death as a homicide.
    An autopsy did not reveal any trauma to his body, and the cause of death is unknown.''
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    Photo by: Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office
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    Photo by: Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office
     
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    Ahhhh..... so there's not generally any trauma when you fall off a boat...... or maybe were pushed off a boat...... hmmmm.
     
  15. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    Or possibly he was fishing from a pier and someone robbed him and dumped him over the railing?
     
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    Very possible and that was my first suspicion too. Since he was so tightly wound with the back brace, that would suppress much of the trauma of landing in the water. I wonder if they could tell anything by the bruising patterns, like how he landed in the water. It takes a bit for the bruising to happen after death. Of course the bloating may distort the bruising also and any hematomas may not be as obvious.

    Who in the family owned a boat? Does anyone remember the family renting a boat? Who would normally go fishing? Did they take him with them when they went?
     
  17. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    We have a place in Florida and fishing piers abound. Many go out early in the morning and a lot are elderly so they would be perfect marks for some lowlife to rob.
     
  18. GatorFL

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    Yes I was denied the case file since it is an active criminal investigation.
     
  19. madamx

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    Yes I thought the same thing when I saw his photo. The hair looks dyed. My friends father had similar hair with the thinning on top and the combover. He would dye it and at first it was darker and then it would turn that rust orange color.
     
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