FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

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    The sick phenomenon of school shooting contagion

    "Mass shootings can spread like a disease, with each massacre inspiring new rampages. Can the cycle of violence be stopped? Here's everything you need to know:..."

    The sick phenomenon of school shooting contagion
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    Official: Parkland shooting suspect's mother let him buy gun

    "SUNRISE, Fla. (AP) — Mental health counselors told the mother of Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz she shouldn’t let him buy guns, but she ignored their concerns and he began assembling an arsenal before her death last year, officials said Tuesday.

    Lynda Cruz was “an enabler” who interfered with efforts to get her son treatment, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, chairman of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission, told members....

    The commission is scheduled to discuss Cruz’s mental health treatment in a closed session Thursday because those records are protected by federal and state law...."

    Official: Parkland shooting suspect's mother let him buy gun
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    Officials Fighting Release Of Parkland Shooting Videos
    The videos may show officers who’ve been criticized for failing to engage the alleged gunman.

    "Roughly five months have passed since Florida’s deadly Parkland school shooting, and the public has yet to see exterior video surveillance footage that may shed light on the actions of law enforcement.

    On Tuesday during a hearing before the Florida Fourth District Court of Appeal in West Palm Beach, a school board attorney and a lawyer representing the Broward state attorney argued against releasing the videos, The Miami Herald reported.

    The school board attorney reportedly said releasing footage from the Feb. 14 attack, which authorities say was carried out by former student Nikolas Cruz, would jeopardize the “integrity” of security at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

    The state attorney’s lawyer argued that the footage is “criminal investigative information” and therefore exempt from public records laws...."

    Officials Fighting Release Of Parkland Shooting Videos | HuffPost
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    Florida gun, mental laws couldn’t have stopped massacre

    "...Robin Sparkman, chief of the state’s Firearm Eligibility Bureau, told the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission that even if Cruz had been subjected to an involuntary, three-day mental health evaluation under a state law called the Baker Act, he still could have bought the AR-15 allegedly used in the Feb. 14 massacre.

    Under state law before the shooting, only if Cruz, 19, had been adjudicated mentally ill by a judge or convicted of a felony would he have been ineligible to buy a gun. Cruz was never committed under the Baker Act, convicted of a crime or adjudicated mentally ill.

    “So many people think the Baker Act is a magic wand – that the Baker Act cures and fixes all. The Baker Act doesn’t,” said Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, the commission’s chairman. “The Baker Act is a temporary custody status for assessment. Rarely does the Baker Act result in any treatment. People think that if Cruz had been Baker Acted that this wouldn’t have happened. That is flat-out erroneous. Whether he would have been Baker Acted or not is another one of those things that would have had little or no impact on what happened.”..."

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    Official: 911 issues delayed response to Fla. school massacre

    "SUNRISE, Fla. (AP) — The sheriff overseeing an investigation into the Florida school massacre defended a law enforcement official Thursday who oversaw the initial response and was criticized for not ordering deputies to immediately charge into the building and stop the gunman.

    Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, chairman of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission, told members that Broward County sheriff's Capt. Jan Jordan's response was crippled by the county's radio system. The system became overwhelmed as dozens of first responders broadcast information and it started blocking new transmissions...."

    Official: 911 issues delayed response to Fla. school massacre
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    the cases underscore criticism of the Baker Act system that has persisted for years — that too many people cycle through with little or no follow-up treatment, including those who are seriously ill.

    Of nearly 195,000 Floridians taken into custody for a Baker Act evaluation in fiscal year 2015-2016, the most recent data available, most were released with no follow-up.

    In Central Florida, no more than a fifth of those cases make it to a court hearing on whether to require further treatment, and Miami-Dade County Judge Steve Leifman says that, statewide, less than 2 percent are ultimately deemed a danger to themselves or others and committed to mental hospitals.

    These folks who are so sick are just recycling through a failed system

    then you add guns and access to guns and you get the perfect storm

    Most people walk out within an hour. It’s horrifying.” (they have to say yes in order to go further. most are very sick but no when they get to the unit if they don't say yes i am suicidal or yes i want to harm people they must be released - they must verbalize it at admission. This usually occurs hours after the actual transport

    hundreds of people of all ages have undergone repeated Baker Act evaluations — some more than 35 times each.

    “The difficulty with involuntary placement is that the standard is having “clear and convincing evidence” — which is a really high threshold

    they only look at the immediate situation. So the doctor may say, ‘Well, he’s stable now,’ but he is only maybe stable until he gets out and stops taking the medication.”

    Outpatient services can be expensive or have long waiting lists.

    Florida's Baker Act — a revolving door?)
     
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    On discharge paperwork it goes like this:

    Pt will attend therapy 1x per week .

    poop thats it

    they dont go - its that simple

    I think a lot of us skew older! And have some notion that there is long term residential treatments . There is not in FL

    In other localities there may be more options
     
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    Commission learning what caused and didn't cause massacre

    CRUZ'S MENTAL HEALTH

    The commission received details of Cruz's mental health treatment behind closed doors Thursday — those records are protected by state and federal law — but glimpses emerged during open testimony. Gualtieri told members that counselors had at least 140 contacts with Cruz over the years trying to get him help, but his late mother frequently interfered. When a counselor objected to Cruz's desire to buy a gun, Gualtieri said Lynda Cruz said he could purchase one and after he turned 18 helped him get the necessary state identification card.
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    BBM

    There is a part of me, down really deep, that wonders if Lynda Cruz did the same exact thing that Nancy Lanza did with her son Adam Lanza.
     
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    WATCH LIVE: Hearing in the case of accused Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooter Nikolas Cruz, rescheduled from June.

    ABC7 Sarasota - WWSB
     
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    Tentative trial date set for Nikolas Cruz (with clip)
    Judge needs 10 days to decide on releasing Cruz statement after shooting

    PARKLAND, Fla. —
    The judge in the Nikolas Cruz case heard a laundry list of items on the docket in a Broward County courtroom Monday....

    Cruz is charged with 17 counts of first-degree murder. He faces the death penalty if convicted.

    His attorneys say he would plead guilty in exchange for a life prison sentence, but that's something the state attorney has already rejected. The judge also set a tentative trial timeline for September 2019.

    Attorneys on both sides are asking for more time."

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