GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 *arrests* #12

[katiecoolady]

Ha, I don't know about Charlie's patients, but my patients are certainly getting the low down on the entire saga, before their anesthesia wears off! Better than my usual small talk in the surgery!

(I am doing a quick review of old threads, I've forgotten so much. Some of my fave "rediscovered" facts are that CA was reported to have launched some sort of legal action after becoming injured in a sumo wrestling compition, and that the Adelson's were reported to have refused to pay the outstanding balance, and reversed the credit card payment, of a legal retainer, quite early on. The law firm involved took action to recover their money. I had also forgotten what a catch Dan's new girlfriend was, it sounds like she was pretty much everything WA hoped to be, that must have made WA salty)

Really though, it must be surreal for Charlie's patients, to hear things like these tapes, and read about this terrible crime, and his involvement in it.

Wow, when someone described them earlier as a "crime family", not too far off the mark. I was also thinking that one doesn't just jump to murder so easily--that there must be other nefarious dealings in their past (wonder if the IRS has gotten interested in CA and his stapled bills). Sumo wrestling? Is that where he "injured" his back and had to retire?

Did the law firm recover their money, do you know?

Also, I always thought Wendi's mentioning of "Annie", and the timing of it, seemed odd. Like she was hyper-focused on her -- did she need Danny to be killed before that relationship could amount to anything? Remember the part where she says Danny would likely move out of Tallahassee because of that relationship? She seems pretty interested in his love life--and certainly a major upgrade for him. So sad to think of the trauma she must have gone through/be going through and the "what could have beens". That ripple effect of these selfish murderers.

And finally, going to the dentist is stressful enough, but to realize you had a murderer's hands in your mouth while leaning all the way back, while he's making you wait as he discusses the murder with his co-conspirator--that's pretty terrifying.

 

[katiecoolady]

Has any evidence ever come out that Donna and/or Wendi reimbursed Charlie for the hit? I mean it appears all the cash came from him and his stapled Benjamins. I mean if he funded the entire hit AND is going to prison? That realization might be enough for him to serve up his sister in a deal, if any is offered.

 

[friendlyobserver]

Wow, when someone described them earlier as a "crime family", not too far off the mark. I was also thinking that one doesn't just jump to murder so easily--that there must be other nefarious dealings in their past (wonder if the IRS has gotten interested in CA and his stapled bills). Sumo wrestling? Is that where he "injured" his back and had to retire?

Did the law firm recover their money, do you know?

Also, I always thought Wendi's mentioning of "Annie", and the timing of it, seemed odd. Like she was hyper-focused on her -- did she need Danny to be killed before that relationship could amount to anything? Remember the part where she says Danny would likely move out of Tallahassee because of that relationship? She seems pretty interested in his love life--and certainly a major upgrade for him. So sad to think of the trauma she must have gone through/be going through and the "what could have beens". That ripple effect of these selfish murderers.

And finally, going to the dentist is stressful enough, but to realize you had a murderer's hands in your mouth while leaning all the way back, while he's making you wait as he discusses the murder with his co-conspirator--that's pretty terrifying.

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it. Also - WA got so much money out of the murder - the life insurance, all of dan's assets to the kids. Charlie complains about that. isn't there a law against murdering and inherting? other than in the bible that is

 

[minusfour]

@katiecoolady The Sumo wrestling incident was in the late 90s. Papers were misfiled, fees not paid, and I don't think it came to much. I think the lawyers did get their money, 20K in all.

 

[JT_Watchman]

Sumo wrestling? Is that where he "injured" his back and had to retire?

I don't think so. The lawsuit was in 1996. He sued Time Warner and Sports Illustrated for injuries he sustained while participating in a sumo wrestling event.

I think something else has happened in the last few years, another injury, that caused him to "retire".

 

[Bongo]

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it. Also - WA got so much money out of the murder - the life insurance, all of dan's assets to the kids. Charlie complains about that. isn't there a law against murdering and inherting? other than in the bible that is

Yes, she was self-actualized.

 

[dotr]

And finally, going to the dentist is stressful enough, but to realize you had a murderer's hands in your mouth while leaning all the way back, while he's making you wait as he discusses the murder with his co-conspirator--that's pretty terrifying.

rsbm. J Seinfeld comes to mind!

 

[Sherubbian]

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it.

You are right! Jealousy is perhaps one of multiple potential motives who might have driven the alleged not indicted co-conspirator Wendi Adelson. For example, it is a verified fact that Wendi made internet searches about Amy Adler, her family member and acquaintance:

“[…] Three days after Markel was killed, a judge signed a search warrant for information on Wendi Adelson’s phone and investigators began searching her Web browser and email records. On her computer, investigators found Google Chrome keyword searches for Markel’s girlfriend Amy Adler, Adler's ex-husband and Adler's brother. They also found that Wendi Adelson had searched several *advertiser censored* sites for “teacher/student *advertiser censored*.” […]”

(Source: https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2016/08/documents-reveal-wendi-adelsons-odd-behavior-after-murder-of-dan-markel.html )

Amy Adler is an actual Professor of Law at NYU. Professor Adler has scholarly publications in par with Dan Markel’s A+ Law journals papers. In contrast, Wendi Adelson has zero peer reviewed publication in scholarly journals. Wendi’s self-published book is full of verifiable lies and misrepresentations such as calling herself a “Professor” while it is a verified fact that she was not in the tenure-track at FSU.

Amy Adler is listed as Category A witness in the Charles Adelson case’s Answer To Demand For Discovery. Perhaps, we will know more if she were to be called to testify and gets cross examined.

 

[katiecoolady]

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it. Also - WA got so much money out of the murder - the life insurance, all of dan's assets to the kids. Charlie complains about that. isn't there a law against murdering and inherting? other than in the bible that is

Yes the Son of Sam laws disallows murderers to profit from their crimes. Sadly, she's not been indicted for murder (yet). I also think her focus on the new girlfriend was obvious and likely part of the narcissistic rage trigger (the major one being the motion against Donna and the kids). I love how she tried minimizing her financial gains on the stand, like saying "one million" for the insurance, when it was one million per child. She may not directly benefit for herself, but your children inheriting a million dollars each, sure unburdens a parent for things like college education, etc.

 

[katiecoolady]

You are right! Jealousy is perhaps one of multiple potential motives who might have driven the alleged not indicted co-conspirator Wendi Adelson. For example, it is a verified fact that Wendi made internet searches about Amy Adler, her family member and acquaintance:

“[…] Three days after Markel was killed, a judge signed a search warrant for information on Wendi Adelson’s phone and investigators began searching her Web browser and email records. On her computer, investigators found Google Chrome keyword searches for Markel’s girlfriend Amy Adler, Adler's ex-husband and Adler's brother. They also found that Wendi Adelson had searched several *advertiser censored* sites for “teacher/student *advertiser censored*.” […]”

(Source: https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2016/08/documents-reveal-wendi-adelsons-odd-behavior-after-murder-of-dan-markel.html )

Amy Adler is an actual Professor of Law at NYU. Professor Adler has scholarly publications in par with Dan Markel’s A+ Law journals published papers. In contrast, Wendi Adelson has zero peer reviewed publication in scholarly journals. Wendi’s self-published book is full of verifiable lies and misrepresentations such as calling herself a “Professor” while it is a verified fact that she was not in the tenure-track at FSU.

Amy Adler is listed as category A witness in the Charles Adelson case’s Answer To Demand For Discovery. Perhaps, we will know more if she were to be called to testify and gets cross examined.

Wow, did not realize she googled her ex-husband. Who she conveniently served up on the "Wendi's list of suspects" to the police that day. I don't understand what the "advertiser censored" part is about??

Edited to add for anyone else wondering, "advertiser censored" means certain words are censored on WS by advertisers.

 

[katiecoolady]

One of the questions I think was missed in cross examining Wendi, was "if you were so scared and worried for your childrens' safety, so as to change their last names, why did you never once reach out to law enforcement for any updates on the investigation? Just to set your mind at ease?".

 

[Sherubbian]

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it. Also - WA got so much money out of the murder - the life insurance, all of dan's assets to the kids. Charlie complains about that. isn't there a law against murdering and inherting? other than in the bible that is

We all are speculating at WS. If some speculation are more viable than others, a reasonable argument in the English language would suffice. I enjoy insightful “speculations”, including yours, on WS. And, it is much sensible “to think before you type” rather than “[…] type before you put untruth […]”.

In fact, the life insurance beneficiary saga still has some unclear facts but Dan Markel’s sister will be able to share more details about it, as it applies to her, when the “educated speculation” based potential Civil Suit case will kick in! While waiting for potential Civil Suit insurance details, below are some verified facts from the court records.

Similar to you, it is the speculation of many that financial gain, including direct or indirect access to life insurance payoff, was one of the largest motives in the killing of Dan Markel. At least 1) The State of Florida and 2) her own indicted for murder brother, Dr. Charlie Adelson, are curious about Wendi Adelson’s sudden change of fortune.

“Perplexingly, Wendi also had difficulty recounting the money that she herself came into following Markel’s murder. When asked by Cappleman if she had benefited financially from her ex-husband’s death, Wendi emphatically denied it.

That led Cappleman to read off a list of assets that Wendi had either inherited or would gain access to for the benefit of their children following his death: $1 million per child summing $2 million in life insurance; a 401(k); a significant pension; a deferred compensation fund valued at $217,000; social security survivor benefits for the children totaling $4,800 per month; an IRA worth $100,000; and a checking account with $15,000 in it.

Perhaps this is what Charlie was referring to in a wiretap with Donna, complaining that Wendi had essentially “won the Lottery” and didn’t have to work for the many millions she had in the bank.”

(Source: Markel Trial Day 4: A chilling statement, a crime scene drive-by, and a possible framing attempt )​

 

[opt]

One of the questions I think was missed in cross examining Wendi, was "if you were so scared and worried for your childrens' safety, so as to change their last names, why did you never once reach out to law enforcement for any updates on the investigation? Just to set your mind at ease?".

Due to immunity, any question whose answer could not strengthen the case against the defendant would not and should not have been asked.

 

[JT_Watchman]

Wow, did not realize she googled her ex-husband. Who she conveniently served up on the "Wendi's list of suspects" to the police that day. I don't understand what the "advertiser censored" part is about??

Edited to add for anyone else wondering, "advertiser censored" means certain words are censored on WS by advertisers.

He's referring to a certain type of adult videos on adult websites. Rhymes with the vegetable that you eat on the cob.

 

[katiecoolady]

Due to immunity, any question whose answer could not strengthen the case against the defendant would not and should not have been asked.

Now why didn't I think of that? Excellent point.

 

[Mariposa]

Dan's new girlfriend was so much more impressive and successful than WA, and the timing of the murder was just after Dan introduced her to the kids [he took it much slower than WA who made lacasse babysit like a second after they met]. Dan's girlfriend was indeed everything Wendi wished she was, plus she lived in the real big city - not miami but nyc! and dan and her vacationed in the hamptons a few weeks before his murder! - WA jealousy was crystal clear. She couldn't endure it. Also - WA got so much money out of the murder - the life insurance, all of dan's assets to the kids. Charlie complains about that. isn't there a law against murdering and inherting? other than in the bible that is

I remember that at some point in the WA police interview video she brings up that DM’s new girlfriend was 50 years old (I don’t know if that’s accurate but she says it and seems to enjoy the detectives reaction). Also somewhere in that video she complains about DM FaceTiming with the kids while being in bed with this new girlfriend.

 

[Costcoluvr]

Now why didn't I think of that? Excellent point.

Well, it is a good question for a criminal charge or civil suit against Wendi. So, let’s file that one away.

 

[minusfour]

Could someone please tell me what are social security survivor benefits for the children are? Does every child that loses a parent receive them? Who pays? It seems like quite a large sum per month. Do they cease when the child turns 18?

 

[katiecoolady]

Could someone please tell me what are social security survivor benefits for the children are? Does every child that loses a parent receive them? Who pays? It seems like quite a large sum per month. Do they cease when the child turns 18?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10085.pdf

It also depends on the parent's earnings, which were and would have continued to be substantial for Dan Markel.

 

[Montrealaise]

With the small boys, the Adelsons have small problems. The Adelsons just tell lies as usual to the Dan Markel young boys; that their uncle Dr. Charlie Asmodeus is traveling again in South Asia. No need to say that Charlie is restrained by the justice seeking and behavioral improvement institution of Tallahassee, FL.

Just let the idea floats that being Asmodeus, he is perhaps chasing Magbanua’s young nieces with small mamals' milk making body parts in the Philippines, seeking Umchinda’s teenage cousins who carry large bag full of underwear and cosmetics in Thailand, marring the beauty of virgins and causing murders where ever he goes.

The larger problems will come to the Adelsons from 2027 onward, when Ben-Ben will be 18 years old. When the Markel boys will be going to college, perhaps at Harvard University or the University of Toronto free from Adelsons' handlers, they will start to read about the story of their abba Dan Markel all over the internet!

They will study law, chemistry, medicine, and religion. And, they will know how angel Raphael caused Asmodeus to go away using the method of Tobit 6:5. With time and knowledge, Dan Markel’s boys will be equipped for ultimately discarding Charlie Asmodeus and Wendi Onoskelis from their lives.

I don't think the boys will have to wait until they're 18 before they can google their father and find out what really happened. Unless the Adelsons are keeping them away from all news outlets, computers and talkative friends, they'll be able to learn details about their family history. If they inherited their father's immense intelligence, they'll easily be able to put 2 and 2 together.