FL FL - Davie, WhtFem 635UFFL, 14-20, white clogs, 'Give a Damn' panties - May'73

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  1. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Petite Teen "White Clogs" Jane Doe, 14-20, found 21 May 1973 in Broward, Co, FL

    Unidentified White Female

    The victim was discovered on May 21, 1973 in Broward County, Florida

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 14-20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 4'6"; 95 lbs.
    Clothing: She was wearing "Wrangler" jeans that were cut off just above the ankle, a size 15 denim shirt, a pair of underwear with the words "Give a Damn" embroidered on the front and a pair of white clogs.

    Case History

    The victim was located in a drainage ditch along Nob Hill Road, just South of State Road 84, in unincorporated Broward County near Davie.

    The victim chewed pink bubble gum.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Broward County Crime Stoppers
    954-493-TIPS
    866-493-TIPS (Toll Free)

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: BS73-08-2432

    Source Information:
    Broward County Crime Stoppers
    The Doe Network: Case File 635UFFL

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/635uffl.html
     
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  5. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Here is the latest information on the Doenetwork regarding Gail Joiner:

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    Gail Lorraine Joiner
    Missing since September 22, 1972 from Thonotosassa, Hillsborough County, Florida
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: July 22, 1959
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5' 0"; 100 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde/brown hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her cheek and facial freckles.
    Clothing: jeans. No shoes.
    Dentals/DNA: Not available.

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    Joiner was last seen in Thonotosassa, Florida on September 22, 1972. It has been reported that she came home from school, ate a sandwich, then left home to walk her pet raccoon, Bandit, on a leash. Witnesses saw Joiner standing near a white car parked on the edge of a work area, but nobody saw her get in the vehicle.

    She has never been heard from again.

    Joiner moved to Florida from Michigan a few months before her disappearance. She has six siblings.

    A suspect (Gerald Stano) confessed to her murder and described the location of the remains, but a search could not locate her. The suspect recanted the confession but knew details only the killer would know.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

    Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office
    813-247-8000

    Agency Case Number: 72M00001

    Source Information

    Florida Department of Law Enforcement
    The Doe Network: Case File 2190DFFL

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2190dffl.html
     
  6. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Was this girl murdered?

    Was that size 15 a child's size? I know there's been vanity sizing in the past couple of decades but 15 sounds huge for someone who only weighs 95 pounds. She would likely wear an adult size 0 today and that's only because of her height. If she was 6" taller, she'd probably wear a size 00.
     
  7. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Aproximately 8 months and 225 Miles separate the disappearance of Gail Joiner and the discovery of this unidentified girl.

    Unfortunately, there is not a lot of information openly available on either case.

    Although there is a 6 inch "discrepancy" between listed heights, there might be enough similarity between these cases to warrant a closer look.
     
  8. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Men's shirt sizes are listed as neck size in inches followed by Arm length in inches for long sleeve shirts, for example 15 - 30.

    A Men's short sleeve dress shirt (which would close at the collar for a tie) is listed only as neck size. Example - 15.
     
  9. Richard

    Richard Well-Known Member

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    Here is the doenetwork file on Mary Anne...

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    Mary Anne Wesolowski, 13, Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, NY

    Mary Anne Wesolowski
    Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, Warren County, New York.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: June 24, 1958
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'6; 85 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on the abdomen and chest.
    Clothing: Last seen wearing a white t-shirt, red and white shorts, and a black leather belt.
    Dentals: She has crooked teeth.

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    Wesolowski was last seen on her way to meet friends to go swimming at Haviland's Cove Beach, on the Hudson River, in Glens Falls, N.Y.

    Investigators
    If you have any information on Wesolowski's whereabouts, please contact:

    Glens Falls Police Department
    518-761-3840

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 5799-71

    NCMEC #: NCMC759895

    NCIC Number: M-212521590


    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:

    The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children
    New York State Police
    The Doe Network: Case File 79DFNY

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/79dfny.html
     
  10. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Ah yes, I didn't think of a a man's shirt on a woman. Women's blouses are usually bust size I believe so I would guess about a 32 for someone her height and weight.

    Is there any suspicion that this woman might have been a prostitute? It would seem that if you have a slogan on your panties that maybe you expected someone to see you undressing.
     
  11. annemc2

    annemc2 her name is Suzanne Marie Sevakis

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    I'm thinking the underwear might have something to do with anti-Vietnam/Republican party sentiment:

    http://www.ebay.ch/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350476469786&clk_rvr_id=410495998173

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Giv...in-pinback-Country-Joe-McDonald-/110953835152


    http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/...=fta&Product_Code=pma60005&Category_Code=28PM

    I could see myself thinking this was something "cool" to wear as a teenager. Interesting that it's actually embroidered - it looks drawn on.
     
  12. vermontaigne

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    Give a Damn button, part of Urban League campaign, here.
     
  13. Ambercat

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    I think "size 15" must have been a child's size. When I was a kid in the 1980s, I has thought that children's clothing size went up to sizes 14 or 16 -- I really wish that I could remember more clearly.
     
  14. sidneyia

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    More likely it was a 15" neck, aka a men's size medium. Wearing a man's shirt as an oversize blouse or overshirt has been intermittently popular among teenage girls for decades, at least since the 50s.

    A youth large (boys') will say 14-16 on the tag but I've never seen 15 as a youth shirt size.
     
  15. Still_Seek_Answers

    Still_Seek_Answers Hope is our strength......love is our determinatio

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    Is there no further description of this girl?
     
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  17. Still_Seek_Answers

    Still_Seek_Answers Hope is our strength......love is our determinatio

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    Girls wearing mens dress shirts was very common in the early 70's. They were worn for everything from sleeping to yard work, to just hanging out wear. Is this girl in NAMUS? Does anyplace have a description of her? NCMEC? NAMPN?
     
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    In response to a question upthread, I think this young woman was indeed murdered, she's listed as a homicide (some others are listed as suspicious death). I wish there were at least very basic details of dentals - did she have any wisdom teeth? Were they crooked or straight?
     
  20. killarney rose

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    The size 15 shirt would have to have been a mans shirt, or a juniors shirt. At that time, the largest junior(teens) was 15. They werent that common, but they were around. I would think a mans 15 would come closer to fitting her, as it is the smallest mans shirt size.

    A juniors 15 would have been comparable to a ladies 16 only Cut a bit more petite.Way too big for this girl, but some people like oversized clothes. Or if she was a runaway, it might have been all she had.
     
  21. Sleuthster

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    I wonder why she's not listed on namus. I can't find her on there.
     

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