FL FL- Florence Cline, 75, permanently dilated eye, few details available, Wauchula, 5 July 1995

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  1. aThousandYearsWide

    aThousandYearsWide Well-Known Member

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    Florence Cline
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    Cline, circa 1995

    • Missing Since07/05/1995
    • Missing FromWauchula, Florida
    • ClassificationEndangered Missing
    • SexFemale
    • RaceWhite
    • Date of Birth06/16/1920 (100)
    • Age75 years old
    • Height and Weight5'0 - 5'3, 105 pounds
    • Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Gray hair, blue eyes. One of Cline's pupils is permanently dilated.
    Details of Disappearance
    Clines was last seen in Wauchula, Florida on July 5, 1995. She has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case.
    Investigating Agency
    • Hardee County Sheriff's Office 863-773-0304
    Source Information
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Florence Cline – The Charley Project
     


  2. aThousandYearsWide

    aThousandYearsWide Well-Known Member

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    So much information is missing.

    Did she live alone?
    Stay with family?
    A dependent adult in a nursing home?
    Any details of time of disappearance?
    Where she was last seen?
    Who last saw her?


    IMO if she was living with family she could be a social security fraud victim. First glance I saw her as a candidate for this Doe's case before I checked dates.
     
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    aThousandYearsWide Well-Known Member

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    1462UFFL - Unidentified Female
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    Reconstruction by Samantha Steinberg; decedent's jewelry.

    Date of Discovery: April 11, 2012
    Location of Discovery: Key Biscayne, Miami-Dade County, Florida
    Estimated Date of Death: 1992-2005
    State of Remains: Skeletal
    Cause of Death: Undetermined

    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 60-80 years old
    Race: Unknown
    Sex: Female
    Height: 5'0" to 5'6"
    Weight: Unknown
    Hair Color: Unknown
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Possibly had a small mouth in comparison to the width of her face.

    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available. Extensive dental work.
    Fingerprints: Not available.
    DNA: Available.

    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Pullover Express Tricot top, size large and Express Tricot skirt, size large (possibly a matching set), satin bra, panties and a slip (possibly size 27).
    Jewelry: Beaded, two-strand necklace, yellow-metal ring and a large bangle bracelet.
    Additional Personal Items: A blanket and pillow

    Circumstances of Discovery
    On April 11, 2012, the decedent's skeletal remains were discovered at Bill Baggs State Park at 1200 S. Crandon Blvd on Key Biscayne in Miami, Florida.

    Investigating Agency(s)
    Agency Name: District 11 Medical Examiner's Office
    Agency Contact Person: Brittney McLaurin
    Agency Phone Number: 305-545-2400
    Agency E-Mail: brittm(at)miamidade.gov
    Agency Case Number: 2012-0894

    Agency Name: Miami-Dade Police Department
    Agency Contact Person: Det. Parmenter
    Agency Phone Number: 305-715-3300
    Agency E-Mail: N/A
    Agency Case Number: PD120411137849

    NCIC Case Number: U950026348
    NamUs Case Number: 10162

    Information Source(s)
    NamUs
    Samantha Steinberg
    FLUIDDB
    Miami-Dade County Police Department

    1462UFFL
     
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    ginestra Active Member

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    She looks very similar to the recons!

    I was almost wondering how far back to look in her case being if it is social security fraud they may have reported her much later when people started catching on to her not being around.

    Her picture looks like it may be from a ID or driver's licence. I wonder if it is possible to find out when it was issued to determine further what timeframe we are looking at.
     
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    ginestra Active Member

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    I would love for the Berrien doe to be identified.
     
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    Are we getting the impression this was recently reported? I'm guessing with Ss fraud, once the person is cresting 100, it gets suspicious.
     
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    That's interesting she has a headstone put up. It indicates she has a caring family. I searched that cemetery for other Cline's for some clues. Only found one named Willie. Born in 1917 and died in 1969. Could this be Florence's husband? Wow, that would mean she was widowed a long time.

    Edit: Looked up her maiden name, Crews, and found several! Must be her immediate family's cemetery.
     
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  10. ginestra

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    Sometimes those are prebought. Now death date on the stone.
     
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    That's a good point!

    I knew of a SS fraud case that was discovered after the SSA contacted him for a wellness check when he was approaching his 100th birthday. He supposedly lived with his son and grandson, but when authorities asked the grandson about his grandfather he said he never met him or lived with him. (I will try to find that case).

    I did find another SS fraud case, her name was Marie Jost (she went missing along with her son Theodore), and she hasn't been seen since the 1980's but her social security checks were being cashed until 2012. The social security administration got suspicious after several failed attempts to directly contact her.
     
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    I found some more information on SS fraud crimes. This particular crime is called Deceased Payee Fraud (failure to report a death to the SSA and cashing their SS checks).

    In 2012, the social security administration started investigating beneficiaries who are :
    • over 90 years old
    • haven't used their Medicaid in over three years.
    If they can't reach them then they assume they are deceased. And then the fraud investigation begins.

    How SSA and the OIG Investigate Deceased Payee Fraud | Office of the Inspector General, SSA.

    Deceased Payee Fraud: Strange but True | Office of the Inspector General, SSA

    I also found that they declare a missing person deceased after 7 years.

    "When is a missing person presumed dead?
    We presume a person is dead if he or she has been missing from home and has not been heard from for seven years or more. This presumption applies regardless of the reason for the absence.

    Once the presumption applies, it can only be disputed if we:

    1. Prove the person is alive; or
    2. Provide an explanation that explains the individual's absence and continued life."

    SSA Handbook 1721

    We need more information to determine if this is Florence's case. She would have turned 90 in 2010. I would like to know when she was reported as missing.
     
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    Yes I researched Marie and Theo too in regards to the Berrien Doe lady.
     
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    Sorry for the double post, tried to fix it and my time had expired. I am trying to see if there are any Cline's from my area to tie to this Florence.
     
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    I wrote Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, mentioning the Berrien Jan Doe. I will update if I get any response back.
     
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    First pic is Florence, second unidentified lady from Berrien County Mi.
     

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    Her Charley page just had its case file added 9/9/20.

    “Updated 1 time since October 12, 2004. Last updated September 9, 2020; casefile added.“
     
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    Her photo was added to NamUS on 9/8/20.
     
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    I am not sure if that means they are connected to the family though.
     

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