FL - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 40 counts, classified documents and obstruction of justice, June 2023, Trial May 2024 #2

Milley had no way to know what classified documents Trump had at Mar-a-Lago.

JMO
Nobody knew what he had at Mar-a-Lago because he hid them and moved them around! There will be witnesses who are there to testify more than where exactly the boxes were, but, to brainstorm, might testify about the defendant's willful ignorance on handling top-secret information, not taking our nation's security seriously, etc. Milley could likely address those issues and explain to the jury the type of atmosphere Trump created for our nation's well-being.

Jack Smith will present the case in court, and I think he knows how to chose witnesses who will help build the case against the defendant. Will Milley be a witness? I don't know. But I can see how he might.

jmo
 
Milley had no way to know what classified documents Trump had at Mar-a-Lago.

JMO
They questionned him about the Iran Attack Top Secret Document that Trump is recorded talking about during his Bedmister meeting with non-security cleared persons. Once again - recorded talking about it.

Gen Miley, as the Senior guy, would 10 000% be in a position to discuss that document, it's existence (or non-existence) and to the contents of such for investigaton purposes. It would have been drafted by a Plans Officer (a "Planimal", not a "General" officer [rank], but certainly drafted by a Senior Officer [Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel - it's what we do]), but let there be no doubt that this is well-within Gen Milley's domain of knowledge. If it existed, it was 99% Milley that gave it to Trump as requested and he certainly would have laid his own eyes-on it. It is his job.There is not anyone better for investigators to have consulted as to this "plan", it's validity or it's security classification.
 
They questionned him about the Iran Attack Top Secret Document that Trump is recorded talking about during his Bedmister meeting with non-security cleared persons. Once again - recorded talking about it.

Gen Miley, as the Senior guy, would 10 000% be in a position to discuss that document, it's existence (or non-existence) and to the contents of such for investigaton purposes. It would have been drafted by a Plans Officer (a "Planimal", not a "General" officer [rank], but certainly drafted by a Senior Officer [Major/Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel - it's what we do]), but let there be no doubt that this is well-within Gen Milley's domain of knowledge. If it existed, it was 99% Milley that gave it to Trump as requested and he certainly would have laid his own eyes-on it. It is his job.There is not anyone better for investigators to have consulted as to this "plan", it's validity or it's security classification.
BBM. On that point, I totally agree with you. Milley had someone else write the document. <modsnip - off topic>

What I disagree is your claim it was illegal for Trump to discuss it with "non-security cleared persons." The President controls classified information and the President can have a conversation with anyone he wants to talk to. This point was brought up in 2017 when Trump was accused of sharing information with Russia and will likely be brought up at Trump's trial in this case.

JMO


In a superseding indictment filed against Trump in July, the special counsel’s team alleged that Trump willfully retained a top-secret document that was a “presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country,” which CNN reported was Iran.

In the July 2021 meeting with Meadows’ biographers, Trump was complaining about Milley shortly after The New Yorker published a story detailing how Milley instructed the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders in the final days of his presidency.

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I find it impossible to believe that somebody wrote the document, Trump classified it, Smith claims he found it yet Milley knew nothing about it.

What I disagree is your claim it was illegal for Trump to discuss it with "non-security cleared persons." The President controls classified information and the President can have a conversation with anyone he wants to talk to.

This happened when he wasn't president. Like he said, “As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t.”

This point was brought up in 2017 when Trump was accused of sharing information with Russia and will likely be brought up at Trump's trial in this case

Yes, he did recklessly leak classified military info to the Russians, but it's unlikely to be brought up in this case. jmo
 
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This happened when he wasn't president. Like he said, “As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t.”



Yes, he did recklessly leak classified military info to the Russians, but it's unlikely to be brought up in this case. jmo
Well stated. And let's not forget he's recorded stating, “As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t.”

That is going to be used against him in a court of law. He needs to declassify FIRST through the proper process before he can talk willy-nilly about Top Secret items to anyone lacking the proper clearance and 'need to know' --- even as President. Exactly as it should be. These aren't new rules - they existed before 45 was elected and they still exist now.

Just more pretzel twisting, but they have him recorded. His own mouth is his worst enemy.
 
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from court site:

Seq # Date Description
161 09/25/2023 PAPERLESS ORDER granting in part Special Counsel's [97] [123] Motions for Garcia Hearings. The Court will hold two separate Garcia hearings on October 12, 2023, in the Fort Pierce Division. Defendant Carlos De Oliveira's hearing will commence at 1:00 P.M. Defendant Waltine Nauta's hearing will commence at 3:00 P.M. Defendants De Oliveira and Nauta, associated defense counsel, and attorneys for the Office of Special Counsel must be present. The potential witnesses identified in the Special Counsel's [97] [123] Motions need not appear. The Office of Special Counsel shall be prepared to articulate the nature and scope of the potential conflicts identified in its [97] [123] Motions, along with any evidence in support. Defendants shall be prepared to respond. At its discretion, the Court may elect to hold a portion of each hearing sealed and ex parte to protect privileged communications. References during the hearing to the identified potential witnesses are to be made in accordance with the witness designations as stated in the Motions [97] [123]. The remainder of the Special Counsel's [97] [123] Motions are denied without prejudice. Signed by Judge Aileen M. Cannon on 9/25/2023.

link: https://www.docketbird.com/court-cases/USA-v-Sealed/flsd-9:2023-cr-80101-648652
 
Lawyers for former President Donald Trump have asked a judge to postpone his classified documents trial until after next year's presidential election, saying they have not received all the records they need to review to prepare his defence.

In a motion filed late Wednesday, Trump's lawyers urged U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to push back the trial until at least mid-November 2024. The presidential election is set for Nov. 5, 2024 .......

 
Lawyers for former President Donald Trump have asked a judge to postpone his classified documents trial until after next year's presidential election, saying they have not received all the records they need to review to prepare his defence.

In a motion filed late Wednesday, Trump's lawyers urged U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to push back the trial until at least mid-November 2024. The presidential election is set for Nov. 5, 2024 .......

Does Jack Smith get to weigh on before the judge decides? I would assume so?

jmo
 
Does Jack Smith get to weigh on before the judge decides? I would assume so?

jmo
He knows this judge would be the only one to even consider the motion: I am sure Jack Smith will respond to this "request"- You notice with all the vitriol he expresses towards judges, he never says one bad word about her. hmmmm
 
Docket update:

# Date Description
167 10/04/2023 REPLY TO RESPONSE to Motion by Donald J. Trump re 160 MOTION For A Revised Schedule For Motions To Compel And CIPA § 4 Litigation

166 10/03/2023 SPEEDY TRIAL REPORT Fifth Speedy Trial Report by USA as to Donald J. Trump, Waltine Nauta, Carlos De Oliveira

165 09/27/2023 RESPONSE in Opposition by USA as to Donald J. Trump, Waltine Nauta, Carlos De Oliveira re 160 MOTION For A Revised Schedule For Motions To Compel And CIPA § 4 Litigation Replies due by 10/4/2023.

164 09/26/2023 NOTICE of Intent to Adopt Co-Defendant Nauta's Supplemental Briefing Re: CIPA by Carlos De Oliveira

163 09/25/2023 RESPONSE in Opposition by Waltine Nauta re 84 Renewed MOTION for Protective Order Pursuant to Section 3 of the Classified Information Procedures Act Replies due by 10/2/2023.

162 09/25/2023 Memorandum in Support by USA as to Waltine Nauta, Carlos De Oliveira re 127 Supplemental MOTION for Protective Order Pursuant to Section 3 of the Classified Information Procedures Act

link: https://www.docketbird.com/court-cases/USA-v-Sealed/flsd-9:2023-cr-80101-648652
 
Months after leaving the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with a member of his Mar-a-Lago Club -- an Australian billionaire who then allegedly shared the information with scores of others, including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The potential disclosure was reported to special counsel Jack Smith's team as they investigated Trump's alleged hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the sources told ABC News. The information could shed further light on Trump's handling of sensitive government secrets.

Prosecutors and FBI agents have at least twice this year interviewed the Mar-a-Lago member, Anthony Pratt, who runs U.S.-based Pratt Industries, one of the world's largest packaging companies.

According to Pratt's account, as described by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump -- "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet -- then told Pratt two pieces of information about U.S. submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected…

While Pratt told investigators he couldn’t tell if what Trump said about U.S. submarines was real or just bluster, investigators nevertheless asked Pratt not to repeat the numbers that Trump allegedly told him, suggesting the information could be too sensitive to relay further, ABC News was told…

 
Months after leaving the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with a member of his Mar-a-Lago Club -- an Australian billionaire who then allegedly shared the information with scores of others, including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The potential disclosure was reported to special counsel Jack Smith's team as they investigated Trump's alleged hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the sources told ABC News. The information could shed further light on Trump's handling of sensitive government secrets.

Prosecutors and FBI agents have at least twice this year interviewed the Mar-a-Lago member, Anthony Pratt, who runs U.S.-based Pratt Industries, one of the world's largest packaging companies.

According to Pratt's account, as described by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump -- "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet -- then told Pratt two pieces of information about U.S. submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected…

While Pratt told investigators he couldn’t tell if what Trump said about U.S. submarines was real or just bluster, investigators nevertheless asked Pratt not to repeat the numbers that Trump allegedly told him, suggesting the information could be too sensitive to relay further, ABC News was told…

OMG- things are getting worse and worse- to be blunt: Trump is taking our country to he!!-- he has lots of help - from Steve Bannon and some leadership of the Republican party: I am sickened to see this country devolve into a state which is unfamiliar to me-- and the harm Trump is doing, to the present time has zero consequences.
 
Months after leaving the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with a member of his Mar-a-Lago Club -- an Australian billionaire who then allegedly shared the information with scores of others, including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The potential disclosure was reported to special counsel Jack Smith's team as they investigated Trump's alleged hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the sources told ABC News. The information could shed further light on Trump's handling of sensitive government secrets.

Prosecutors and FBI agents have at least twice this year interviewed the Mar-a-Lago member, Anthony Pratt, who runs U.S.-based Pratt Industries, one of the world's largest packaging companies.

According to Pratt's account, as described by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump -- "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet -- then told Pratt two pieces of information about U.S. submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected…

While Pratt told investigators he couldn’t tell if what Trump said about U.S. submarines was real or just bluster, investigators nevertheless asked Pratt not to repeat the numbers that Trump allegedly told him, suggesting the information could be too sensitive to relay further, ABC News was told…

Loose lips sink ships. That man-child has no loyalty to his own country. jmo

jmo
 
Months after leaving the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with a member of his Mar-a-Lago Club -- an Australian billionaire who then allegedly shared the information with scores of others, including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The potential disclosure was reported to special counsel Jack Smith's team as they investigated Trump's alleged hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the sources told ABC News. The information could shed further light on Trump's handling of sensitive government secrets.

Prosecutors and FBI agents have at least twice this year interviewed the Mar-a-Lago member, Anthony Pratt, who runs U.S.-based Pratt Industries, one of the world's largest packaging companies.

According to Pratt's account, as described by the sources, Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump -- "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet -- then told Pratt two pieces of information about U.S. submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected…

While Pratt told investigators he couldn’t tell if what Trump said about U.S. submarines was real or just bluster, investigators nevertheless asked Pratt not to repeat the numbers that Trump allegedly told him, suggesting the information could be too sensitive to relay further, ABC News was told…


Just coming here belatedly to share this unbelievable news. So far, I don’t see it on the WaPo website and it’s halfway down the page on the CNN and NYT websites. What’s up with that? The Yahoo website has it at the top of the page, which is where every news org should have it IMO.
 
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Pratt sounds incredibly self-serving.


In emails and conversations after meeting with Trump, Pratt described Trump's remarks to at least 45 others, including six journalists, 11 of his company's employees, 10 Australian officials, and three former Australian prime ministers, the sources told ABC News.

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According to the sources, Pratt insisted to investigators that he told others about his meeting with Trump to show them how he was advocating for Australia with the United States. Some of the Australian officials that sources said he told were, as reflected in news reports at the time, involved in then-ongoing negotiations with the Biden administration over a deal for Australia to purchase a number of nuclear-powered attack submarines from the United States.

The deal was ultimately secured earlier this year…

BBM
 

Former US president Donald Trump allegedly spilled the beans about potentially sensitive nuclear submarine information to a prominent Australian businessman after leaving office.

The potential disclosures to Anthony Pratt in April 2021 were passed on to special counsel Jack Smith's team after the billionaire then shared the information with dozens of foreign officials, employees and journalists, US outlet ABC News reported.
 

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