Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

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Gemmie said:
What the interview said was she didn't get enough money, nor any money from a short redacted name. I've always thought that redaction was her mom, but it just dawned on me unless that redacted name is 'Jenn', it has to be someone else as that redaction is so short (~4 characters long). I supposed the BFF could have said 'Jenn', which is what the interviewer took down, but usually I've seen JS's name longer, meaning it would have been spelled out 'Jennifer'.

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For example, in the same interview/page... the BFF obviously calls her Jennifer, not Jenn, as the redaction is longer. JMO

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the bestie audio interview: she references all about the money issue and said Madeline was mad at her for not giving her a money present. best friend doesnt say anything about JS and a birthday present/or no birthday present, only that Madeline wasnt happy, didnt get alot. interview in entirety:

at 27:21

also this:

BestF said she left the party around 7pm. Im sure LE has this this text exchange as to when Madeline replied.

Q what time did you leave the house
A like around 7
Q p.m.?
A yes
Q okay and then did you talk (redacted)
A no
Q did she text you at all after that
A um uh we went to the park and I didn't know if she had brought her phone um when I was still at her birthday party so I text her like hey did you bring your phone she never answered and then when I go home she saw the text and she was like 'what is this' I was like oh we were at the park and I didnt know if you brought your phone she was like oh oh....
 
Gemmie said:
What the interview said was she didn't get enough money, nor any money from a short redacted name. I've always thought that redaction was her mom, but it just dawned on me unless that redacted name is 'Jenn', it has to be someone else as that redaction is so short (~4 characters long). I supposed the BFF could have said 'Jenn', which is what the interviewer took down, but usually I've seen JS's name longer, meaning it would have been spelled out 'Jennifer'.

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For example, in the same interview/page... the BFF obviously calls her Jennifer, not Jenn, as the redaction is longer. JMO

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Thanks for this! I think your interpretation makes more sense and it seems that the short redacted name matches the one in reference to the friend being interviewed. Thanks again.
 
PawneeDew said:
Her mother didn't get her a Birthday gift???
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Sorry I may have to make a correction. I may have misinterpreted the interview below in that I thought the short redacted name referred to Jenn as being the person who did not get Maddie a gift, specifically a monetary one.

However, thanks to @Gemmie I realized that the redacted name likely referred to Maddie’s best friend who reported that Maddie had that she was upset she gave her a gift instead of money for her birthday.
 
callmehenry said:
Earlier on I replied to a post to say ‘Nope, her mom didn’t get her a gift’ but I apologise because I think I was wrong
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No worries. I think it's more like a combination of all JS's actions and words she has said that has me feeling shock and disbelief...As long as I've been on here, twelve years! No way I could ever get jaded enough to not have those feelings....
 
A pregnancy scare could lead to murder, but if MS was actually pregnant, there would most likely be charges related to the death of a fetus. I suspect a true pregnancy unlikely in this case. A late period, however, could predispose to extreme actions. Committing murder to cover up a pregnancy would only be useful if the body were never found. On the other hand, MS was not surrounded by rational people.
 
Wallendo said:
A pregnancy scare could lead to murder, but if MS was actually pregnant, there would most likely be charges related to the death of a fetus. I suspect a true pregnancy unlikely in this case. A late period, however, could predispose to extreme actions. Committing murder to cover up a pregnancy would only be useful if the body were never found. On the other hand, MS was not surrounded by rational people.
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isnt there a 'viable fetus law' in Florida? its just my recollection, that viability pertains to a fetus at a certain stage to actually live outside the womb with or without intervening measures. maybe someone can weigh in. but if she was just weeks in, and the law is as such, it would not be a double homicide.

if she was pregnant a few weeks, and I agree with you, an inference of 'maybe' by Madeline, it certainly is, IMO, motive to coverup the SA via her murder. IMO, he left her there on the 26th because he couldnt risk driving significant miles on the spare. I believe panic set in the next nite when he took JS's car in the early morning hours and drove back to where he left Madeline and he intended to move her elsewhere but she was decomposing...IMO (sorry for the description).
 
Pruddennce said:
isnt there a 'viable fetus law' in Florida? its just my recollection, that viability pertains to a fetus at a certain stage to actually live outside the womb with or without intervening measures. maybe someone can weigh in. but if she was just weeks in, and the law is as such, it would not be a double homicide.

if she was pregnant a few weeks, and I agree with you, an inference of 'maybe' by Madeline, it certainly is, IMO, motive to coverup the SA via her murder. IMO, he left her there on the 26th because he couldnt risk driving significant miles on the spare. I believe panic set in the next nite when he took JS's car in the early morning hours and drove back to where he left Madeline and he intended to move her elsewhere but she was decomposing...IMO (sorry for the description).
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Don't they know where all he went in her car that night by the vehicle data? Do we know if we went to the spot where he left her body that night?

I also still can't see how he was able to leave her body there with no one noticing. Wasn't it broad daylight? I realize that he probably got the flat and thought he had no choice at that point, because he had to get the body out of the car. But removing a dead body and carrying it off into the woods seems so crazy to do on what I thought was a somewhat busy road, in town, cars driving by, in the day. And there weren't actually any "woods" there, he hid her in some bamboo. So the whole process was probably not all that hidden from view of others.

But AFAIK, no one reported seeing anything other than one report of simply a man w/a flat on the side of the road. I guess he must have been able to wait for a lull in traffic and get it done quickly. Which would be a good reason to return there later, if he did.
 
sunspun said:
Don't they know where all he went in her car that night by the vehicle data? Do we know if we went to the spot where he left her body that night?

I also still can't see how he was able to leave her body there with no one noticing. Wasn't it broad daylight? I realize that he probably got the flat and thought he had no choice at that point, because he had to get the body out of the car. But removing a dead body and carrying it off into the woods seems so crazy to do on what I thought was a somewhat busy road, in town, cars driving by, in the day. And there weren't actually any "woods" there, he hid her in some bamboo. So the whole process was probably not all that hidden from view of others.

But AFAIK, no one reported seeing anything other than one report of simply a man w/a flat on the side of the road. I guess he must have been able to wait for a lull in traffic and get it done quickly. Which would be a good reason to return there later, if he did.
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I was assuming he drove off the road to get to the dump site and that's how he got a flat tire. Of course, I just assumed that without any reason other than my imagination. But picking that spot because he did have a flat makes sense too.

jmo
 
Inthedetails said:
I was assuming he drove off the road to get to the dump site and that's how he got a flat tire. Of course, I just assumed that without any reason other than my imagination. But picking that spot because he did have a flat makes sense too.

jmo
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I always figured he got the flat while dumping the body and figured that's why the tire was so shredded, because he drove on the flat to get away from the scene. But I agree, he could've just dropped her because he had the flat. In Florida there are a lot of wetlands so why he wouldn't go to something like that instead, so maybe it was an act in haste?
 
fsngruv said:
I always figured he got the flat while dumping the body and figured that's why the tire was so shredded, because he drove on the flat to get away from the scene. But I agree, he could've just dropped her because he had the flat. In Florida there are a lot of wetlands so why he wouldn't go to something like that instead, so maybe it was an act in haste?
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My hunch is the church by the school was the intended dump location so he could look like the nice ex-boyfriend who diligently dropped her off (despite the fact he has never been diligent in his life, imo), and blame some mystery dude for hurting and killing her.

Something stopped him from leaving her at the church and then I think he was thinking on the fly. Thank goodness for the flat tire and the witness who saw SS change it.

jmo
 
sunspun said:
Don't they know where all he went in her car that night by the vehicle data? Do we know if we went to the spot where he left her body that night?

I also still can't see how he was able to leave her body there with no one noticing. Wasn't it broad daylight? I realize that he probably got the flat and thought he had no choice at that point, because he had to get the body out of the car. But removing a dead body and carrying it off into the woods seems so crazy to do on what I thought was a somewhat busy road, in town, cars driving by, in the day. And there weren't actually any "woods" there, he hid her in some bamboo. So the whole process was probably not all that hidden from view of others.

But AFAIK, no one reported seeing anything other than one report of simply a man w/a flat on the side of the road. I guess he must have been able to wait for a lull in traffic and get it done quickly. Which would be a good reason to return there later, if he did.
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there are numerous maps released which showed his travels in his car and JS's car. this link talks about the traffic pattern during the day, which is a lack of traffic on that rural road which is about 6 miles. it was noted he was about 4 miles down it. no security cameras. no lights for evening travel.

linked at day traffic pattern:

the next nite he went out in JS's car (early morning hours of the 27th) the route was identified as the same route going back to where he had the flat and where Madeline was ultimately discovered.

linked at that map info:
 
Pruddennce said:
there are numerous maps released which showed his travels in his car and JS's car. this link talks about the traffic pattern during the day, which is a lack of traffic on that rural road which is about 6 miles. it was noted he was about 4 miles down it. no security cameras. no lights for evening travel.

linked at day traffic pattern:

the next nite he went out in JS's car (early morning hours of the 27th) the route was identified as the same route going back to where he had the flat and where Madeline was ultimately discovered.

linked at that map info:
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So did he just drive by it or did he stop for any amount of time there? Does the data tell them that much?
 
Inthedetails said:
My hunch is the church by the school was the intended dump location so he could look like the nice ex-boyfriend who diligently dropped her off (despite the fact he has never been diligent in his life, imo), and blame some mystery dude for hurting and killing her.

Something stopped him from leaving her at the church and then I think he was thinking on the fly. Thank goodness for the flat tire and the witness who saw SS change it.

jmo
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I agree, his driving around in the school area, the mickey d's a looping around, too much activity in the area and on the roads where the school was despite how early he thought he was for decreased traffic/activity, IMO. IMO, he didnt know about the Shingles Creek (hiking, biking trail, etc) behind the school, and if he did, access would be very difficult without being seen.

and of course we know now of his travels with a deceased Madeline in the vehicle and ultimately he went back to the home complex with her now in the trunk...... and actually spent time there with JS when she returned. he had no idea where he was going to go with her. and time was running out.

yes, that flat tire and witness sped up the search in conjunction with LE's vehicle tracking info. that witness narrowed down the location on that stretch of road.
 
Inthedetails said:
I was assuming he drove off the road to get to the dump site and that's how he got a flat tire. Of course, I just assumed that without any reason other than my imagination. But picking that spot because he did have a flat makes sense too.

jmo
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I'm more in the camp that it was the latter. IMO it was Plan B because of the flat tire, so he had to do something, and quick. Granted, I don't think SS is the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I think he was going for a better place to dispose of her body, like somewhere there were gaters to "help" him with his plan.

All JMO
 
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Gemmie said:
I'm more in the camp that it was the latter. IMO it was Plan B because of the flat tire, so he had to do something, and quick. Granted, I don't think SS is the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I think he was going for a better place to dispose of her body, like somewhere there were gaters to "help" him with his plan.

All JMO
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and that tire was shredded, I think he pushed it as far as he could.
 
Someone should have noticed if they saw a car driving along on a flat tire for some distance; it might even have been throwing sparks! But I guess that's not something anyone would ever report to anybody. Unless they'd read about this case and paid attention to details about where she was found etc. But that would take a pretty big coincidence for us to ever hear about.
 
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