NOTGUILTY FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

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  1. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    [FONT=&amp]Mateen’s ex-wife, Sifora Yusufiy, has said he alluded to a secret private life before they were married – a marriage arranged online in 2008, which lasted two years. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]"When we had got married, he confessed to me about his past .....
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    [FONT=&amp]"So, I feel like it's a side of him or a part of him that he lived but probably didn't want everybody to know about."[/FONT][FONT=&amp]

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    [FONT=&amp]In 2006 Mateen attempted to join the police. And a colleague in his academy class said he believed Mateen was gay. Mateen had asked him out, the classmate, who did not want to be named, told local television in Orlando.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&amp]“We went to a few gay bars with him,” he said. “I was not out at the time, so I declined his offer.”

    Ms Yusufiy said she hadn't talked to him for a while but wouldn't be surprised to learn he was leading a double life and in deep internal conflict.

    The owner of another Orlando LGBT club says he got a Facebook friend request last week from the gunman in the Pulse nightclub shooting. investigators from the Orlando Police Department and the FBI interviewed Bass about the contact.

    Cord Cedeno said he had also seen Mateen inside Pulse before, standing at the bar with a drink. “He was open with his picture on the sites; he was easy to recognize,” said Cedeno, 23, of Orlando, who said he was also contacted by Mateen at least a year ago on a dating app.

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    Former classmate Samuel King and his friends also hung out with Mateen at the mall, where Mateen worked at the GNC store after high school and King at Ruby Tuesday. Half the workers at the restaurant were openly gay, King said, including himself. “He had to know it, but I never got any sense of homophobia or aggression from him.”

    [FONT=&amp]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/former-classmates-recall-orlando-shooters-bizarre-reaction-on-911/2016/06/13/f08b2950-3187-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html
    [FONT=&amp]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-was-a-regular-at-lgbt-nightclub-pulse-before-atta/[/FONT][/FONT]

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    [FONT=&amp]“We see it all the time here. Guys come in at lunchtime, then go home to their wives.

    Pulse owner

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    http://www.newsjs.com/url.php?p=htt...ulse-regulars-on-life-after-the-shooting.html
     


  2. wannabe00

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    The FBI asked his ex wife to keep the gay issue from US media. The reason you haven't seen or read coverage about it is because the FBI doesn't want you to.
     
  3. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    I was very glad when she revealed that and there was one other person that said a simliar thing. There is not agenda here! ISIS trouble from abroad. Untreated mental health - trouble from within.

    November is close. Its an easy one to catch ...................................

    and it looks as if nothing more is going to come out

    LYING:

    Since childhood he has displayed a proclivity to lie about things ISIS related

    he secretly live his entire life as lie


    He said he knew the Boston bombers - it was a lie..

    He claimed he was "friends" with the suicidal bomber - it was a lie.

    Hr stated Osama was his uncle - it was a lie.

    He claimed he had rigged the club with bombs (San Bern did this -they just failed) - it was a lie

    He lived a dual life - indicating lying is not an issue for him

    He proclaimed his alledgeance to three belief systems - not getting ones story correct is indicative of lying,

    and in the final hours of his life some folks beleive him??


    What is the adage; once a liar always a liar?

    He copied other folks;


    SAN BERN- He claimed he had rigged the club with bombs (San Bern did this -they just failed) - it was a lie. Copy cat.

    PARIS- he had folks outside in suicide vest. copy cat.

    .. Tashfeen Malik posted a Facebook post pledging allegiance to ISIS just minutes after the San Bernardino attack was over. Cpoy cat.

    IMO, In case they got killed

    "falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime.......pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime".Sometimes however, the individual may be lying to make their life seem more exciting when in reality they believe their life is unpleasant or boring.

    The fabricative tendency is chronic; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure so much as it is an innate trait of the personality

    The liar "decorates their own person"[SUP][3][/SUP] by telling stories that present them as the hero or the victim.

    Excessive lying is a common symptom of several mental disorders. People affected by antisocial disorder lie for external personal profit in the forms of money, sex, and power.

    Due to lack of trust, most pathological liars' relationships and friendships fail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying

    Read more: http://therightscoop.com/heres-the-...d-during-their-jihadist-attack/#ixzz4CmC9hqwO
     
  4. Renee110

    Renee110 Stop letting criminals off the Hook!

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    Link?
     
  5. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Any thoughts on why?
     
  6. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    News > World
    FBI Told Orlando Shooter's Wife Not to Tell US Media He Was Gay

    Telesurtv - Venezuela
    Published 16 June 2016


    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...o-Tell-US-Media-He-Was-Gay-20160616-0002.html

    “In an interview with Brazilian TV, the ex-wife of Omar Mateen claimed the U.S. agency told her to keep quiet about his homosexuality.

    The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation told the former wife of the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, Sitora Yusufiy, not to speak of his homosexuality or the fact that she, his family and others believed he was gay, Yusufiy’s current fiance, Marco Dias, told a Brazilian TV channel in an interview.

    Dias told the Brazilian television station SBT Brazil Tuesday that Yusufiy believed Mateen was gay and that his father called him gay several times in front of her. However, “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.”

    Since the attack, Mateen has been dubbed an “Islamic terrorist” by politicians, senior officials and commentators in the U.S. following reports he had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group.

    However, the idea that he could have been a closet-homosexual indicates that the Orlando shooting might have been a deeply felt and personal act of hate.

    The FBI and law enforcement in the United States have so far been pursuing the “Islamist terrorism” angle and their alleged demand from Mateen’s ex-wife to keep mum about his homosexuality suggests they want to downplay the personal and self-hating nature of the attack in favor of the Islamic terrorism-related one.”​

    More...
     
  7. ninij9

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    I know right? And she is being portrayed as naive in one respect to her knowledge of his intent, yet she is worldly enough to recognize "gay" tendencies?

    Furthermore, doesnt anyone realise it's in HER best interest that he should be portrayed as a repressed "Gay on a rampage"? Otherwise she has to answer to what she may know about his terrorist affiliations, therefore incriminating herself...


    Edited to add: I may be mixing up wives, I'm way too lazy for this but after work I will have to re-read some articles (super sigh).
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  8. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    It seems you are.
     
  9. ninij9

    ninij9 Well-Known Member

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    My very first boyfriend in highschool, he wound up coming out in his 20s. I don't give much weight to what people who marginally knew him have to say because I knew my boyfriend intimately, but I didn't really know anything after all. I m not saying the shooter isn't gay. I'm just saying isn't hindsight 20/20 and all. Jmo.

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  10. alas

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    Did anyone watch CNN's "Terror on Paris" documentary? It could have very easily been what OM used for his plan. There is so many similarities. I have been trying to find it on the internet without success. I would love to know what you guys think. Yes, we believe there should be some similarities but this was too many, not to have been a copycat. It is "on demand".
     
  11. ninij9

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    Beautiful, touching. Thank you for sharing what must have been a profound experience.

    You put into words much of how I felt living in new York after 9/11.

    Bless you CARIIS 💓💓💓💓

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  12. mrsobrien

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    CARIIS- Thank you for bearing witness. All of what you experienced MATTERS TO ME.
     
  13. Cryptic

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    I agree, it strongly appears that way.

    I just cant figure out why he was a long term and somewhat regular patron of Pulse. Maybe Pulse is not a totally gay night club. Rather, maybe there was also a large number of straights, espescially straight women?
     
  14. NL007

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    BBM. Nothing on cell phones nowadays is ever truly deleted. I'm not sure if OM had an iPhone or Android, but it really doesn't matter, police can gain "deleted" info from either. If Mateen downloaded Grindr he would have had to sign in. He'd have logged in with Facebook or Twitter (which obvs he would never have done in a million years if he was trying to hide his alleged "secret gay life"). He could have logged in using Google+ or the iOs cloud (again, probably not). Most likely, he'd have made up some fake email address specifically for Grindr, let's call his fake email "hotboy12349876@whatever.com". So he plugs this fake email address into Grindr, but it's not really so secret. The police and/or FBI now have all of his tablets, laptops, old and new phones, etc. There is going to be some trace of "hotboy12349876@whatever.com"'s existence somewhere, which proves he had the account, even if they can't get into it, which I doubt very much.

    Btw, it is much easier to retrieve data from a phone that is working perfectly. However, the chip is all they need. They can just plug in a whole phone, but the method they use is more difficult, yet still very possible, when a phone is damaged, wet, bricked, etc.


    http://gizmodo.com/how-forensic-wizards-bring-phones-back-from-the-dead-791436888

    This process is even simpler now than when that article was written, in 2013. Now we have Cellebrite, which was allegedly used to extract information from the SB shooter's iPhone.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...work-with-israel-s-cellebrite-to-crack-iphone


    My guess is the "LE haven't revealed what's on Mateen's phone yet" option. In fact, I am not sure why the American public expects every single bit of information police have gleaned from their investigations to be revealed nowadays. Perhaps we should just let LE do their jobs and hope for a sensational story later once they've completed their investigation, ijs.

    Or so says the random fiance of Mateen's ex-wife from seven years ago, anyway.

    So, the fiance is claiming that Yusufiy told him that the FBI told her not to tell American media that she thought Mateen was gay, but the FBI okayed Yusufiy letting her fiance let Brazilian, and consequently, Spanish media know? And there are still no reputable news sources confirming this story, just that one "news" outlet, correct? Hmm, I wonder why that is...
     
  15. NL007

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    My thought was that he could have been casing it for quite a while, even a couple years, before he got up the nerve to do such a horrible thing.

    You have a point, though, gay bars generally have more than a few straight women in attendance, some more than others. It would depend on how friendly the regular customers would be toward an onslaught of straight women - some are annoyed at straight women coming in, some welcome them with open arms. I was under the impression the mom that was murdered at Pulse when she shielded her son was straight, and also one of the young girls that was killed was because I thought they'd said she was there with her gay friends, but idk.
     
  16. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Here is the entire SBT Brazilian television interview. Its kind of interesting, its slightly over four minutes long. It has a little bit of video footage that I haven't seen before and a snippet of some odd animated recreation of the scene inside the bar. The journalist visits them at their home in Boulder.

    http://m.sbt.com.br/jornalismo/sbtb...x-mulher-do-autor-do-massacre-em-Orlando.html

    And, its all in Portuguese so I couldn't understand any of it but her fiance Marcio does and he translated for her.
     
  17. bluesneakers

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    Pulse was very much a gay nightclub.

    From their website:
    Experience Pulse, a world of fun and fantasy. Orlando’s hottest gay bar located in the heart of downtown. Step inside Pulse and savor the taste of three unique worlds: The Lounge, Ultra Bar and The Adonis Room. Since 2004, Pulse has been serving up unmatched live entertainment and tantalizing liquid libations, courtesy of our renowned staff and entertainers. Check out our upcoming performances and join us for an exciting and unforgettable night of fun and fantasy.


    And have a look around Pulse's Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/pulseorlando/

    He frequented the nightclub because he was very probably most likely a gay man.
     
  18. Renee110

    Renee110 Stop letting criminals off the Hook!

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    I have tons of straight friends that go to gay clubs. One of the women killed in Pulse was straight. She was there with her son.
     
  19. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    And because straight people sometimes go to gay bars that means OM wasn't gay? Do gay people not go to gay bars?
     
  20. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    made shorter!

    The phone was caked with dry blood- I wonder if that is different than other types of problems --enzymes etc --dry blood is like cement chips are delicate

    IMoo he married and had a child to prove to dad that he was not gay- he selected a woman that was apparently limited congitvily - perfect for a gay, batterer. We must imo remaing aware of the fact she has not been arrested, the only reason I can think of is after interacting with her they realized her limite4d capacity to compehend, or she was totally perfrified of him .

    Again, strt men tend not ot repeatidly go to gay bars alone- ask your partners if they would go alone - the intensity of their response should be data for you guys!!

    IMoo he married and had a child to prove to dad that he was not gay

    made shorter


    I agree - he was a copy cat- to me indicating no real connection to a redicaliized terrorist. He was a bitter and angry man that hated himself for who he was, and chose to take on his inner turnoil out on those that accepted, loved cherished who they were and the lifestyle moo

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    But she knew he bought lot's & lots of ammo and she went with him to scope out the club

    He was a fake cop, expert marksman, who wanted to be a real cop - there would be nothing unusual in him telling her he was gonna grab a gun. The other gun was not bought in a store, so she might not have known

    he was gonna practice she could beleive that IMO

    As many of us have become aware - there are lots of folks who hate this peace loving religion. It is imo easier to blame this on ISIS, than to take a look at the issues IN this country which result in relentless slaughter on a weekly basix.

    In your minds go through the last biggest ones Fort Hood was mental, Virginia Tech was mental, Sandy Hook was mental, batman was mental, Elliot was mental, planned parenthood was mental, Washington yard was work related and IMO this was mental with internalized homophobia

    THe onlly one I can recall is San Bern as being authentic ISIS terror (obviously 911!)

    see ib nora post
     
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