NOTGUILTY FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

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  1. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Lots of nuanced stuff never heard or recall!

    "CIA has not found any link between Orlando killer and Isis, says agency chief"
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    Was the killer truly acting under orders from the Islamic State, or just seeking publicity and the group’s approval for a personal act of hate?

    Influencing distant attackers to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State and then carry out mass murder has become a core part of the group’s propaganda ..... In the group’s nomenclature, that pledge is a central part of the ISIS protocol.........This public oath is about the only requirement that the Islamic State imposes on followers ...........The smallest action you do in the heart of their land is dearer to us than the largest action by us,” he said, “and more effective and more damaging to them.”..............his professed embrace of the Islamic State and its call for disaffected Muslims to attack the West seem to have come suddenly, as if something snapped.

    far-fetched and even contradictory — he claimed connections to Al Qaeda, the Sunni extremist group, and ties to its near opposite, the Shiite Hezbollah ....They can pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before or during, and that catapults them from being a self-starter jihadist guy, or girl, to someone who can be lionized as a soldier of the Islamic State and regarded as a warrior.”

    The family assimilated.....son, whose bedroom was chock-full with all things Disney, all things America: a Spider-Man helmet and bicycle, a Star Wars backpack, Star Wars drapes, a chair in the likeness of Tow Mater from “Cars,” and not one but three Mickey Mouses.

    “Always shaken. Always agitated. Always mad.”

    engage in “much talk about violence & sex,” according to a school assessment.

    investigators concluded that Mr. Mateen knew the bomber only casually

    Seddique Mateen, a refugee who became a naturalized American citizen, was a financial broker whose savvy investments allowed for a comfortable home appointed with tasteful furniture and expensive silk rugs.

    Two friends say that the Mateen children feared any perceived link to Islamic extremism, and so began saying, simply, that they were Persian.

    n May 2005, .....requested to go on a ride-along with a St. Lucie County deputy sheriff....now seems enveloped in an air of foreboding. ..... sheriff’s car crashed, and the teenager was taken to a hospital.

    “He would hover over my car window and lean way in while breathing heavy on me with his teeth so clenched that you could see his jaw muscles sticking out.

    The gunman never came into their bathroom, she said, and after about half an hour, Ms. Puyarena said she looked to a man next to her, and they decided to try to run. But as they got up to leave, she said, a police officer banged on the bathroom door. The officer rushed them out through a back exit.

    Stanley Almodovar III, 23, was shot three times, staggered out of the club and fell to the ground. He was one of 49 people killed.

    He saw flashlights from police officers who were trying to penetrate the club and rescue people. He escaped. It was less than an hour into the three-hour siege.

    Some of the people around her thought they could seize the opportunity and rush him, but as they tried to open the stall door, he began shooting, hitting the three young women and many others.

    said he had enough bombs to “light up a city block,”

    gunman asked his hostages if they knew about the shooting last year in South Carolina in which a white man had killed nine African-Americans inside a prominent black church....

    ....women devised a signal to show one another they were still alive. They began patting one another on the arm, scratching a wrist, grasping a hand and waiting for an answered grip. For three hours, pat pat. Pat pat. A Morse code of silent touches.

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    CNN)When Orange County Sheriff's deputies responded to a call for emergency backup [video=cnn;us/2016/06/13/orlando-shootings-tic-toc-orig.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html[/video] on the night of June 12, they encountered a harrowing scene:

    The unrelenting clap of gunshots.
    People drenched in blood lying in the parking lot.
    A stream of gunshot victims fleeing the chaos inside the club.


    deputies help paint a grim picture
    "We were informed through dispatch an [Orlando police] officer was not responding to their radio after calling, '.... While the deputies were on scene they informed dispatch there were multiple victims in the immediate area who were seriously injured with gunshot wounds.

    ....approaching the club I heard multiple gunshots coming from inside the club. I observed individuals running out of the club covered in blood, with gunshot wounds, and many more in the parking lot, also with gunshot wounds."

    Upon arrival, I observed numerous subjects running from the club in a panic. I observed several subjects lying on the ground near the club that appeared to have been injured by gunfire. Fearing the shooter to still be inside, I made contact with several Orlando Police Department officers and walked toward the northwest corner of the club. I then took a defensive position with these officers and maintained visual contact with an open doorway on the west side of the club."


    "The scene was chaotic as many of the victims had gunshot wounds and some who had been carried over appeared to be dead. ....... tasked by an unknown Orlando Police corporal with scene security at the triage area and crowd control as lots of the victims and witnesses were hysterical....

    ... separating the wounded by categories of levels of injuries to gain control of the scene."



    .... inner perimeter was relocated due to a possible improvised explosive device, I assisted in evacuating victims from the bathrooms and dressing room located on the west side of the club."

    http://www.newsjs.com/url.php?p=htt...nightclub-shooting-deputies-incident-reports/
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/us/pulse-nightclub-orlando-mass-shooting.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/us/omar-mateen-gunman-orlando-shooting.html?_r=0

    Same day notice the two different headlines




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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/us/pulse-nightclub-orlando-mass-shooting.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-omar-mateen-isis.html
     


  2. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

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    Nobody said that gay people don't go to gay bars. But, as was noted, you can't assume that because someone went to a gay bar that they were gay.

    I'm straight, and I've been to gay bars on numerous occasions.
     
  3. CARIIS

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    ost detailed interview

    He is coming to Orlanda, hasnt happened a lie

    Like father like son liar what a soicpath

    he praying for homosexuals ?

    His word chice indicatesthat he raced for the cameras within 24 hours

    some intersting stuff about Taliban


    Tons of videos of local converage - most all ofus here know but some little things

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-comcast-universal-oneorlando-20160616-story.html
     
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    Al Qaeda urges lone wolves to target whites, to avoid 'hate crime' label


    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...-target-whites-to-avoid-hate-crime-label.html

    Lone wolf jihadists should target white Americans so no one mistakes their terror attacks for hate crimes unrelated to the cause of radical Islam, Al Qaeda writes in the latest edition of its online magazine.

    ...............................

    Al Qaeda has new advice for lone-wolf terrorists: Target white people to avoid a “hate crime” label.

    Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula has analyzed the U.S. response to the June 12 terror attack in Orlando, Florida, and concluded that 29-year-old Omar Mateen erred in targeting a gay nightclub heavily populated with Hispanic men.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/27/al-qaeda-to-lone-wolf-terrorists-target-whites-to-/

    bbm
     
  5. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    There is a differnce between "being or have gone" to a gay bar, and "frequenting" a gay bar. Secondly, strt men do not go to gay bars ALONE. That seems to be underlooked IMO!


    Many have stated he was married so he is not gay.

    His being married means nothing. Houdreds of times, I have chatted with married men in the bars who describe their anguish in having to get married and have children to cover. In most instances it was the bible as it relates to family rejection . Most of the time they say they love their wives and ....almost always have a passion for thier children, they are however, gay.

    Pre AIDS gay bathhouses , which exist solely for sex, are open 24/7/365 and are very ideal for their predictament.

    You would buy a membership taken at any club in the chain across the country. Perfect for married gay bussiness men. You would buy a membership and go to anyone in the chain across the country. You would pay for either a room or a locker, in six hours increments for about $9 per 6 hours, and renew as often as wanted.

    There were about 500,000 members for the big chain.

    Akron, Atlanta, Atlantic City, Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Camden NJ, Chicago, Cleveland (two locations), Columbus Ohio, Dallas, Dayton, Detroit, Hartford, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Missouri, Key West, Los Angeles, Miami, Milwaukee, Minneapolis ("opening soon"), New Haven ("opening soon"), New York, Newark, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Providence, St. Louis, San Francisco, Tampa, Toledo, Ohio, Washington DC, London Ontario, and Toronto.[SUP][1][/SUP]

    Thye had many amenties - pool, hot suana, dry sauna, video rooms, some has food and or drink. [SUP]

    HIV impacted the bussines and many closed, and are back now.

    The point here is being married does not mean one is strt - - means nothing actually-- other than there is a sheet of paper invovled.

    [/SUP]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Baths






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    and concluded that 29-year-old Omar Mateen erred in targeting a gay nightclub heavily populated with Hispanic men.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/27/al-qaeda-to-lone-wolf-terrorists-target-whites-to-/

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    He did not IMO error - he was not a terrorist, he did not even the rules - how connected could be he? The 911 stuff IMO was for dad.

    IMO, further data that his connections with ISIS is a media sensation. Any authentic ISIS wanna be terrorist would know organizations number one mandate, and follow it. In terms of what we know, this furthers the realtity that this was mass shooting/hate crime , based on self loathing moo
     
  6. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    City releases some records in Pulse shooting response
    Orlando Sentinel
    By Staff
    Tuesday June 28, 2016


    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...os-pulse-shooting-records-20160628-story.html

    “Orlando city officials released a trove of public records related to the Pulse nightclub shooting that left 49 people dead and at least 53 injured two weeks ago.

    The records include text messages to Orlando Police Chief John Mina, police dispatch records, and a history of code enforcement inspections at the nightclub.”​

    No further details yet.
     
  7. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Orlando Police defending response to nightclub shooting
    WDTN 2News
    By Kelley King
    Published: June 28, 2016, 7:51 am


    http://wdtn.com/2016/06/28/orlando-police-defending-response-to-nightclub-shooting/

    snips

    “The FBI has released a preliminary timeline of the incident:

    2:02 a.m. Police receive first reports of shots fired and an off duty officer responds
    2:04 a.m. Additional officers arrive
    2:08 a.m. Police enter Pulse nightclub exchanging gunfire with the attacker
    2:09 a.m. Pulse issues a statement on its Facebook page warning everyone to get out of the club
    2:18 a.m. SWAT arrives
    2:35 a.m. Shooter calls 911
    2:48 a.m. Gunman speaks with crisis negotiators
    3:30 a.m. Gunman has second conversation with negotiators
    3:24 a.m. Gunman has third and last conversation with negotiators
    3:58 a.m. Police warn residents in a tweet to stay away from the area
    4:21 a.m. Police clear a path for some to be rescued
    5:02 a.m. Police begin to breach the bathroom with explosives
    5:15 a.m. Shooter is reported down
    5:53 a.m. Police confirm the gunman is dead”

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    “A motive for the attack is still unclear.”​
     
  8. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    1st hearing over Pulse public records goes to court today
    Orlando Sentinel
    Elyssa Cherney
    Tuesday June 28, 2016


    “The first of two hearings over Pulse 911 calls and other recordings takes place today at 3:00 p.m. in Orange County Circuit Court.

    What is scheduled as a 30-minute hearing is set primarily to go over procedural matters before a more substantive hearing on Thursday over the public records, where attorneys on both sides will present their case.”​

    More...
     
  9. Everyday Grace

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    More at the link -- some of the notes are relatively graphic:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...s-tell-story-horror-inside-pulse-club-n600431
     
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    and on and on

    maybe not be bomb third biggest airport in europe


    Two Explosions, Gunfire at Istanbul Airpor

    cnn
    Two Explosions, Gunfire at Istanbul Airpor
     
  12. CARIIS

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    O/t dont know yet turkey

    [video=youtube;I_MA8FQrYG4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MA8FQrYG4[/video]
     
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    (Snipped for brevity)

    Thank you for this, CARIIS. It is powerful and moving. It matters to me. :hug:
     
  14. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    DOJ moves Pulse public records case to federal court

    Orlando Sentinel

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...cords-preliminary-hearing-20160628-story.html

    “The Department of Justice moved the lawsuit between Orlando and two dozen media outlets seeking 911 calls and recordings of Omar Mateen during the Pulse massacre to federal court after being named as a party in the case on Tuesday.

    That means today's previously scheduled 3:00 p.m. hearing in Orange County Circuit Court, part of the state judicial system, will not happen.”​
     
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    Turkey is a terrost attack IMO They blew themselves up for their cause.

    Paris same

    Omar walked vountairly toward LE firing at them (mental)

    If we go back and look

    Batman, mental, chilling behind the theatre

    Roof, pulled over like a law abiding citizen - mental

    Congress woman , mental, is in jail

    Elliot ,mental, killed himself

    Lanza, mental killed himself

    Planned parent hood , mental, surrendered

    Mental, obviously, has a suicide component to it, Omar IMO, suicide by cop - anyone who wants to live, dos not come out blazing at cops - end game clearly understood before he made that choice.

    Radicalized terroists tend IMO, to want to blow themselves up - to illustrate, there commiment to their cause, and there willingness to blow them selves up in order to hurt civilains

    Think about someone wearing a bomb is pretty well telling you he is prepared to die for his casue, Omar hid in a toilet for three hours cowering different moo

    Does anyone know of an AMerican mass shooter who has tied slef made bombs on thier bodies??

    there are patterns here moo
     
  17. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    So McVeigh is an outlier? Or just a different form of terrorist? He could have easily gone up with the building but chose not to. He didn't turn himself in and afaik he didn't have a mental illness.
     
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    different "cause".

     
  19. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Good point. Eric Rudolph didn't kill himself either, and his cause wasn't the same as McVeigh's.
     
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    Thanks. I'm behind but this is beautiful.

    PEACE.

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