FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13

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  1. IHAVENOCLUE

    IHAVENOCLUE Well-Known Member

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    Wow! This was an interesting read, Flourish! Your statements about students having seen acts of violence committed in front of them by family members hit close to home for me. I, too, am a (retired) elementary school teacher, and have discovered that the family lives of some students are pretty unimaginable! But then we hear about these situations time and time again, and learn to pick up nuances which may indicate the occurrances. It tends to make us teachers jaded, too1

    I agree with the statement you made about DS2's ex-Marine training. I would imagine this type of training becomes imbedded in a person's psyche, and would come into play in a critical situation before the mind really knows how to make a next step. (Again, I would welcome any ex-Marine Sleuthers out there in cyberspace to give us some practical information regarding the effect of ex-Marine training, and how this might have affected DS2's decisions). Please note that I am highly respectful of all military personnel, and that I have (and still) entertain the idea to become involved in a military-type boot camp for reasons of getting in shape, self protection, and self reliance.

    Anyway, thanks again for your post, Flourish!

    This rambling message of mine indicates to me that.....:bedtime:
     
  2. Wild@Heart

    Wild@Heart Former Member

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    Sharks and gators....NO thanks!
     
  3. Wild@Heart

    Wild@Heart Former Member

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    Today was like a:rollercoaster:. We had some good :floorlaugh:. At times I wanted to :drink:. We didn't have alot to sleuth :detective:. But now it's :bedtime:. Happy trails :bud:. Let's all :praying: for Michelle to come home :grouphug:. ...and :justice: is served!
     
  4. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    Also, since I can't manage to get to bed, another thought occurred to me:
    Even if the twins don't disclose anything "useful" or "indicating a violent act happened in front of them," that doesn't mean they didn't actually see it. These little guys have an amazing ability to "check out" and/or suppress things. Just today, another teacher was telling me about how when she was little and her mom was having affair with her dad's brother, the mom used to tell her that she was "seeing things" and that the uncle hadn't been there when indeed he had been. Her own mom was essentially gas-lighting* her so she could keep ****ing this guy! I'm not saying Dale Jr. did/is doing anything like that, but the cruelty that adults can show children never fails to sicken and amaze me. Like it was mentioned above, teachers do become jaded, so in a sense I'm not really amazed, but just continuously incredulous.

    *Gas-lighting refers to an old movie where a guy made his wife think she was going insane, and therefore kind of actually go insane, by messing with the gaslights in their home.
     
  5. Mr. Noatak

    Mr. Noatak New Member

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    My opinions only, no facts here:

    I would like some comments regarding this segment of my timeline, particularly if you are from the area and know the roads.

    I am looking at the early part of my timeline. Here are my assumptions:

    1) the daycare where Michelle’s two children were situated is located near where she lives.
    2) Michelle lives in Geneva.
    3) Michelle got up, did her normal activities, including putting on her cross necklace.
    4) On the day of the disappearance, Michelle’s older son went to school, she dropped her two younger kids off at a daycare in or very near Geneva, and had coffee and a chat with her new boyfriend.
    5) Michelle may have went back home and watched the airing of the TV court episode at 2:00 PM that involved her and her ex-boyfriend, although this might create a crunch in the timeline.
    6) Michelle drove the short distance to her mother’s beauty salon in Oviedo, and left by 2:30 PM. At this point, if Michelle had not seen the TV court episode herself, she probably heard an earful about it.
    7) Michelle drove back to the Geneva area, picked up her two kids from the daycare at about 2:45 PM and began the drive to her ex-boyfriend's house (25 miles approx?).

    Here is my question: could Michelle average 40 to 45 mph for such a trip? Or is such an average speed impossible in that region of Orlando and at that time of day?
     
  6. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    Mr Swamp and I go gator hunting here (Louisiana) every year and we are also on the local fire department dive team which does body recoveries so I can tell you how it goes for us.

    Even when we are alligator hunting where the alligators are plump and plentiful, they tend to be rather shy and duck out of sight when they sense our presence. Granted, we aren't in the water scuba diving and hunting but alligators aren't usually aggressive.

    Also alligators tend to do more hunting and attacks more in the evening. If that area is full of boats, people and equipment, it tends to scare them off. When we are doing a body search, there are also police on the scene who keep an eye out for any alligators that would appear. Alligators would be more attracted to the isolated sound of a one human floundering around and not so much attracted to a whole bunch of people with lots of lots boats.

    Guys also tend to dive in teams or with a designated buddy and there are "bang sticks" which can be used to shoot something underwater if it attacks you. But there are so many people on the surface looking out for signs of the victim that alligators are spotted right away but they usually duck out of sight and slink away to a quieter spot.
     
  7. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    Swamp Mama,
    Great informative post. THANKS.

    One question. Is it true,as far as you know, that gators do not eat dead bodies? Or is that an urban myth?
     
  8. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.
     
  9. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    I never knew that. Got to come to WS for a real education. So if someone did drop a dead body into waters that are full of gators, it might disappear.
     
  10. my_tee_mouse

    my_tee_mouse Done. Put a Fork in Me.

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    You are one brave SwampMama!
     
  11. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    Yes, and it would eat the meat and bone. The alligators stomach produces about 10 times more stomach acid that other animals and that dissolves the bones as well so unfortunately there aren't even the remains of bones left behind.
     
  12. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    Mr. Swamp is the brave one. He has done this all of his life and I feel completely safe with him in control. I usually go along to film it and to keep him company. Even the grand kids have gone along to watch the fun when he is alligator hunting.

    If you have ever watched "swamp people", then you have seen a greatly exaggerated recap of what alligator hunting really is. It's not as dramatic or as dangerous as you would think it would be.

    Of course, we don't have dramatic these music in the background either or cut to commercials at the critical moments either:biggrin:
     
  13. Omachka

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    Yes she could most certainly average 40 to 45 mph. If she took the 417 toll road from Oviedo to near where DS2 lived, she would be going speeds of 55 to 65 mph. I am not certain of the speeds from Geneva to Oviedo but it is a rural area so I am guessing 45 isn't out of the question at all.

    Also, I agree with a lot of your post but we still don't know where that day care is. It is possible that it is near Oviedo and her mother's shop since that's where she worked in the day time. When my sons were small their day care was nearby where my parents had a shop (as opposed to near my home) so that my parents could pick them up for me and watch after them in the early afternoons after they closed up and before I got off work at 5:00. It saved me a ton of money doing that.
     
  14. Jersey*Girl

    Jersey*Girl New Member

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    Woohoo! Detectives spent the day going through Michelle's phone! Also, at the end of the video, we learn that the cell wasn't found due to "one specific tip" - so IMO nobody called it in...

    The interview is with Michelle's father.

    http://vidcache.newsoverwireless.com/wofl/pmd-2/WOFL-3417293.mp4

    New developments in Parker case
    December 12, 2011, 10:43 pm
     
  15. Patty G

    Patty G Retired WS Staff

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    SuziQ Well-Known Member

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    That link...Best.Mistake.Ever!
     
  17. Dion

    Dion Well-Known Member

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    Swamp Mama - that's very interesting, and sad at the same time, because it would indicate that if a person has been missing for some time, then there really isn't much chance of finding remains.

    I'm also thinking of the Haleigh Cummings case, where indications were that the little girl may have been disposed of in an alligator infested lake. So not much chance of ever solving what really happened without a body.
     
  18. Jersey*Girl

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    This brings me to a question that I almost hate asking...

    As a child, I remember crabbing on my father's boat with a "chicken line" (or chum line) to attract the crabs. We'd catch TONS at a time & a lot faster than crab traps. Having said that, could a perp have grabbed some chicken or fish, tied it on clothesline rope, then wrapped it around a body to attract marine life faster than normal? A shark can smell a drop of blood from over a mile away. What are the stats on alligators with this sense?
     
  19. believe09

    believe09 Active Member

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    Alright friends, let's leave the LINKGATE topic behind :innocent:.

    It might confuse our fellow sleuthers and lurkers who didnt have the opportunity to participate in the fun.
     
  20. believe09

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    I like DSjr for this crime as the perp-I think the location of the cell phone would make him the unluckiest dude in America if he werent guilty...combined with all of the escalating disagreements between them that is.

    I am praying for a resolution as soon as possible. :(
     
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