FL - Pasco Co., WhtMale 524UFML, 30-50, Harley Davidson, swastika tats, Jan'89

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  1. ctaylor

    ctaylor New Member

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    Just reading a new article on this John Doe and thought I would start a thread as could not find one. New sketches have been released today and some extra info not mentioned on Doe Network -

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    http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19501929/2012/09/10/could-sketches-help-crack-cold-case

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/524umfl.html

    Unidentified White Male

    The victim was discovered on January 24, 1989 in Pasco County, Florida
    Estimated Date of Death: 6 - 12 weeks
    Skeletal remains

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 30-42 years old (News article says 30-50)
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6"-5'7"
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Average build. A tattoo of a rose with green leaves, purple stripes going from the rose to an area that resembles a spider web colored in yellow and black lines. Another, undetermined tattoo. (News article mentions long auburn hair, a tattoo with initials HFD on bicep, as well as tattoos of wings, flames, cross, rebel flag and swastika. On left arm - a green flaming dragon winding around a naked lady with red high heels and a Rebel flag draped in the background. )
    Dentals: Available. Extensive bridgework
    Clothing: A pair of dark blue pants, a white sock with red stripes, a black t-shirt with lettering, “Black Hills of South Dakota.” He also had what appeared to be a portion of a brown cowboy boot. The back of the shirt contains a color heat transfer of an Indian face with Native American pictures in the background and an Indian type shield. Manufacturer Sunbelt Sportswear, medium size. A blue butane lighter in a pair of blue work pants. Eyeglasses. (Article mentions a tag on his pants with the name Randy. The glasses were Givenchy and he wore brown cowboy boots)

    DNA: Available

    Case History
    The victim was located approximately 2 miles east of County Road 577 on County Road 579 near San Antonio, Florida. His body was found about 100 feet into the woods off of Prospect Road. He was found to the south of Prospect Road and east of Wirt Road.
    He was shot in the head.
     
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  3. Ambercat

    Ambercat New Member

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    This is his page on NamUs -- https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1191


    NamUs lists four men who have been ruled out as being the decedent --
    Kipling Hess III born 1966, LKA in Florida
    Douglas McKenzie, born 1952, LKA in Florida
    Jackson Orvin, born 1959, LKA in Florida
    Charles Wood, born 1979, LKA Alabama

    NamUs also has some more information about the circumstances of his body being found --
    I was a little confused about whether or not the eyeglasses were his because they were described this way --
    NamUs has some more photos of his tattoos and an artist's reconstruction of the one on his left bicept --
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Moderator

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    Out of my list of over 13,000 MP's, none of them have the initials HFD.
     
  6. annemc2

    annemc2 her name is Suzanne Marie Sevakis

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    Harmony 2 <b><span style="color:#000099;">WS Senior Moderato Administrator

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    This missing person has alot of commonalities with the information released about the UID. IMO he does not look like the sketch of the UID but I have seen some sketches that were way off before.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/867dmar.html

    William Carl Reed
    Missing since August 13, 1987 from Siloam Springs, Benton County, Arkansas.

    *Age at Time of Disappearance: 31 years old
    *Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5’7”, 155 pounds
    *Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    *Tattoos: He has a tattoo of a cross on his arm.
    *Dentals: He has a partial plate of his two upper front teeth.
    *Clothing: Black shirt and blue jeans. He usually wore biker type boots.


    Circumstances of Disappearance
    * last seen near Siloam Springs, Arkansas on or about August 13, 1987 (fits into the timeline delineated by the article of 6 months to 2 years)
    *Reed was a local biker and known drug user thought to be working for local dealers. Indications are that he was killed over drug money. He was associated with well known area persons involved in large scale drug (marijuana and methamphetamine) and theft operations.
    *He owned and drove a black Honda 1100


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    This site mentions more tattoos:

    http://www.missingin.org/reg5569/william_carl_reed.htm
     
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    I looked at Reed yesterday too but I'm sure his hair is too dark.

    Auburn is such a difficult hair colour - it depends on human perception. Need to think auburn, ginger, red hair, sandy etc when making searches.

    Not finding much myself but still looking.
     
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    http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-n...leased-in-pasco-cold-case-homicide-ar-491111/

    snippets from above link
     
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    Randolph Sedlack?
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4912

    Physical description is good (apart from the tattoos, he had no tattoos when he left to go travelling). Wears glasses too. No dental info for Sedlack.

    The facial overlay is excellent - downward slanted eyes with heavy skin under the brow bone matches as does the size/distance apart, philtrum groove matches and distance between nose and top lip, square chin matches. The cheeks on Randolph are fatter but he would have been 3-5 years younger when the pictures were taken.

    Right name.

    Right circumstances: Left to go travelling.
    I know he could have got all of those tattoos in the 3-5 years time difference (depending on when he died) but you would have expected at least one phone call or letter home in that time??

    I've not submitted this to Pasco - but I have emailed Detective Boyer to suggest that he watch this thread.
    I have dropped a quick email to Namus - DNA on file for both so should be a quick rule out.
     

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  12. Jacie Estes

    Jacie Estes Medical Marijuana Advocate

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    T-shirt connects Florida cold case to South Dakota

    A Florida sheriff’s detective is taking a new approach to a 23-year-old murder case that might have a South Dakota connection.

    Pasco County Sheriff’s detective David Boyer specializes in missing persons and has persuaded his supervisors to let him help identify a man whose skeletal remains were found in an orange grove in Dade City, Fla., in January 1989.

    The victim, who was shot twice, wore a sleeveless “Black Hills of South Dakota” t-shirt, blue mechanic’s uniform pants with “Randy” inscribed on the waistband and worn, light brown cowboy boots. The white man had auburn hair and his age is estimated at between 30 and 50 years old.


    http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/t-...cle_51d913b2-15dd-5d6c-9e0e-9f3046f02208.html

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    After some research, I have discovered that "HFD" stands for "Harley F'ing Davidson." I found a website with tattoos that had those initials...and that's what it meant. I thought that the HD probably stood for Harley Davidson because those 2 letters were bigger than the F in the middle. So, I don't believe that HFD are his initials.

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    hdforums
    I've pulled up all threads tagged with pasco:
    www. hdforums .com/forum/tags/pasco.html
    (added a space so it's not a direct link)

    and there is a section dedicated to florida
    www. hdforums .com/forum/the-florida-crew-127/

    Plus interesting (bickering! lol) thread at topix too giving locations on the outlaws:
    www. topix .com/forum/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/T1VL7U1H1DLK1A20Q
     
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    Commenting on my own thoughts here, there is a motorcycle group called "the Pharaohs" that was started in the mid 80's in Missouri.

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  18. kpdx

    kpdx Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of E

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    kpdx Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of E

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    another thought on the motorcycle angle, bike week down in daytona is apparently in march and has been going on before 1988. might have attended?

    i checked in to some fugitive sites today, but nothing clicks. assuming John was too advanced into decomp to get viable fingerprints?
     
  20. Jacie Estes

    Jacie Estes Medical Marijuana Advocate

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    We live near Sturgis and my first thought was that he was there and got caught up in something. It's not only HAs there, Sons of Anarchy and other rival clubs show up. A couple years ago there was a shootout and one club member was killed.
     
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    my very humble opinion is that this guy was dead much less than 6 months. his tattoos were that well preserved and they think he might have been dead 2 yrs? no way.

    this is not like a body found in the dry desert where the skin can mummify. it's FL for heaven's sake.
     

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