FL - Shooter among 4 dead, Naval Air Station, Pensacola, 6 Dec 2019

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Tampa Bay Times
    St. Petersburg track star among the victims of Pensacola shooting
    "ST. PETERSBURG -- At Lakewood High School, everyone called him “Mo.” Mohammed Haitham was a track and field star at Lakewood, known for his long legs, big smile and good high jump scores.

    After graduating in 2018 he joined the U.S. Navy. He went through boot camp and recently was assigned to flight crew training in Florida. When he surprised his family in St. Petersburg by showing up for Thanksgiving, the 19-year-old didn’t look like a teenager any more.

    “He looked like a man all of a sudden,” said Kim Walker, a longtime family friend.

    Now Haitham is dead, one of the victims of Friday’s mass shooting at the Naval Air Station Pensacola, according to his mother, Evelyn Brady, and to Lakewood High School principal Erin Savage.

    “The commander of his school did call me,” said his mother, herself a Navy veteran who now works for the Veterans’ Administration. “He told me my son did try to stop the shooter.”
     


  2. MaryG12

    MaryG12 Well-Known Member

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    Then why on earth come here? Nobody is forced to come to the USA.
     
  3. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Brad Brooks, Reuters
    Saudi airman may have become radicalized before US Navy base attack
    "Two US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, named the shooter as Second Lieutenant Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani.

    He was reported to have played videos of mass shootings at a dinner earlier in the week with other Saudi aviation students, according to US media reports on Saturday that cited an unnamed person briefed on the investigation.

    Investigators have found no sign Alshamrani had links to international terrorist groups and think he may have radicalized on his own, the New York Times reported, citing an unidentified US official. It said the airman first entered the United States in 2018, returned to Saudi Arabia, then re-entered the United States in February, and had reported for training at the base about three days before the attack."
     
  4. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Why come here?

    To kill Americans. That's why.

    JMO.
     
  5. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    FBI hunt for missing Saudi serviceman after Pensacola Naval base shooting | Daily Mail Online

    The shooter apparently had some friends who were also fellow students, with whom he traveled to New York last week. They also had a dinner party the night before the shooting.

    The shooters friends watched the attack from their car outside. One of them filmed it.

    The Navy and FBI cannot find all the friends/fellow students. They have detained 10 fellow Saudi students, but won't say where the others are who worked with the killer.

    ETA: Pardon, not meaning to sound alarmist, but this is how 911 started. I thought we were going to begin paying much closer attention to foreign students learning aviation skills in the US. What the heck?

    Officials Continue Investigating Gunman’s Motive in Navy Base Attack


     
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  6. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    rbbm.
    Pensacola shooting: FBI investigates Mohammed Alshamrani tweets
    "A national security expert from the Heritage Foundation warned against making an immediate link to terrorism.

    “If there is some connection to terrorism, well, then, that’s that,” said Charles “Cully” Stimson, senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation. “But let’s not assume that because he was a Saudi national in their air force and he murdered our people, that he is a terrorist.”

    Stimson said it was also possible that the shooter was “a disgruntled evil individual who was mad because he wasn’t going to get his pilot wings, or he wasn’t getting the qualification ratings that he wanted, or he had a beef with somebody, or there was a girlfriend involved who slighted him.”
     
  7. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    Ummm...except for the fact that he put his rant on twitter, calling the US evil....
     
  8. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Investigators spent part of Saturday trying to piece together Shamrani’s movements in the United States. Pentagon officials said that his training with the U.S. military began in August 2017 and that he was to finish in August 2020. According to a U.S. official familiar with the case, Shamrani attended language school at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio for six months and was assigned to the training program in Pensacola only in the past week, although he had been staying in the area for some time. His coursework at the Navy school was to include basic aviation and initial aviation training, officials said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/12/07/pensacola-shooting-shooter-updates/
     
  9. LietKynes

    LietKynes "What do you despise? By this you are truly known"

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    Third Pensacola shooting victim is named as naval apprentice, 21 | Daily Mail Online
    Cameron Scott Walters, 21 - a naval apprentice from Richmond Hill, Georgia - was killed in Friday's attack
    Mohammed Haitham, 19, and Joshua Kaleb Watson, 23, were also killed
    Haitham was a track and field star from Lakewood, Florida, who enlisted in the Navy and was assigned to flight crew training
    His mother, Evelyn Brady, said she was told by the military that her son 'did try to stop the shooter'

    I wish they'd publish the photos of those Saudi's who are on the run.

    Rest gently, Cameron ! :(
     
  10. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    MSN.com
    (CNN)Three US Navy sailors were killed when they "didn't run from danger" after a gunman opened fire at a US Navy base in Florida, US Navy officials said.

    "When confronted ... they ran towards it and saved lives. If not for their actions, and the actions of the Naval Security Force that were the first responders on the scene, this incident could have been far worse," said Capt. Tim Kinsella, the base commander officer.
    The sailors were Airman Mohammed Sameh Haitham, 19, of St. Petersburg, Florida; Airman Apprentice Cameron Scott Walters, 21, of Richmond Hill, Georgia; and Ensign Joshua Kaleb Watson, 23, from Coffee County, Alabama."
    3 US Navy sailors killed in the Pensacola Navy base saved lives when they ran toward gunman, officials say - CNN
     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Prior to the shooting, they visited museums and the Christmas tree lighting at the Rockefeller Center?! WHY? imo.
    rbbm.
    Pensacola gunman bought weapon legally, sources say - CNN
    "The shooter
    Before Friday's attack, Alshamrani watched mass shooting videos at a dinner party, The New York Times reported, citing a source with knowledge of the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly.
    Alshamrani and a small group of Saudi nationals had just traveled to New York City over the Thanksgiving holiday, a law enforcement source told CNN.
    They visited several museums and the Rockefeller Center, where the Christmas tree lighting was taking place. Authorities don't know why they traveled to the city, the source said.

    The Saudis who accompanied Alshamrani are currently being interviewed by law enforcement and are being cooperative, the source added."
     
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  12. Tillicum

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    OMG he was on the same base as my granddaughter for the last 6 months.
     
  13. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Scoping out potential attack targets, duh.
     
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    LietKynes "What do you despise? By this you are truly known"

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    Possible planning to blow up the tree and everyone around it ?
    But security was too tight ?

    From now on, any Christmas-Easter-Lent or any observances that radical Islamic terrorists find 'offensive' need to have greater security.
    Remember the attacks on a Christmas-themed festival in Germany ?

    Who was hosting the dinner party and showing the mass shooting videos ?
    And I also want to know if there was a specific religious leader who helped radicalize this Alshamrani.
     
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    Muslims believe in Christ.
     
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    LietKynes "What do you despise? By this you are truly known"

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    Some of them probably do.
    They may believe in Christ but that doesn't mean they like or respect anyone else who does. Not that they have to.
    But there's no reason to commit a terror attack on someone who believes differently from oneself.
    It's complicated.

    I was referring to articles about the Christmas attack in Germany (?).
    And also referring to radicalized terrorists who take offense at anything western including but not limited to their attire and worship choices.
    Peaceful Muslims are not anti-Christian but the radicalized ones single out anyone not believers of Islam.

    Christian is a very broad term in radicalized terrorist groups and can include Catholic, Protestant, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

    But back to their "trip to see the Christmas tree lighting", it sounds like that may have been their first choice of attack but something deterred them ?
     
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  20. ilovewings

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    And there are hundreds more Saudis here in the United States--but oh- they are vetted so don't worry---
     

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