FL FL - St Petersburg, WhtMale 1326UMFL, 25-40, prior heart surgery, Apr'80

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  1. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    Just found this on the Doe Network

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1326umfl.html


    Reconstruction of Victim by Samantha Steinberg

    Unidentified White Male


    The victim was discovered on April 26, 1980 in St. Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida
    Estimated Date of Death: April 26, 1980
    Cause of Death: Homicide


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    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 25-40 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'8"; 150 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Moderate length, light, reddish brown hair; hazel eyes. Full, reddish brown beard.
    Marks, Scars: Freckles on nose and forehead. Transverse scar about 16 inches long from right chest to left side with suture marks. A scar under both left and right nipples. Scar on left arm with suture marks. Had 2 wire sutures in his sternum with prior heart surgery for a high repair interventricular septal defect.
    Clothing: Blue jeans. White metal necklace with a white star; yellow metal necklace with horn-shape medallion.
    Dentals: Available. No space between teeth 9 and 11, although 10 is absent. Tooth 15 DB cusp fracture off. Tooth 17 tilted mesially and tooth 29 tiled lingually. Generalized periodental bone loss.
    Fingerprints: Available.
    DNA: Not available.

    Medallion



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    Case History
    The victim was located at the Siesta Motel, 701 34 Street North, in St. Petersburg, Florida on April 26, 1980. He was staying in a motel room with a friend. Both men were shot and killed. Decedent's friend was identified as Jack Roy Davis.
    Decedent was possibly from California, Missouri, or Tennessee and possibly went by the names of John, Johnny, Robert, or Ronald.



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    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    District 6 Medical Examiner Office
    727-582-6800
    Email
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    1980-0917

    NCIC Number:
    U-260017808
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    NamUs

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    Possible Match??

    John Koziatek

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/koziatek_john.html


    It doesn't list John's height, weight, and hair color...If we had those, it would be easier to rule out.

    I think John and the UID resemble eachother.

    What do you all think?
     
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  3. spamelope

    spamelope Active Member

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    It's certainly worth a try, right? No harm in submitting it if it's not him. The name is right, sounds like the victim had a lot of surgeries. Unfortunately, not much info out there on Koziatek. I wonder if his family is still alive to give details about his medical conditions.
    I found a John Koziatek in Ohio that is the same age as he would be now-I wonder if he just divorced himself from his family? Or maybe he's reconnected with them and they didn't update?
    http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=34&
     
  4. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    https://identifyus.org/cases/1305
    has 19 exclusions but John Koziatek is not on the list. There is a mitochondrial DNA sample but the tests are not complete.


    More info about the crime:
    • Two men shot to death in Room 15 of the Siesta Motel at 701 34th St. N on April 26, 1980. One victim was identified as Jack Roy Davis, 40, of Knoxville, Tenn. The other never was identified. Police had a suspect in the case, a 39-year-old Tennessee man named Kyle Coy "Cowboy" Watson, according to St. Petersburg Times archives. But he was gunned down by his girlfriend four months after the murders.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...entified-st-petersburg-murder-victims/1070778
     
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    Irish_Eyes New Member

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    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1305

    UID White Male 25-40, found April 1980, Siesta Motel, St. Petersburg, FL

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    Height: 5'8"
    Weight 155

    Moderate Length light reddish brown hair with beard and mustache.

    Scars and Marks: Transverse scar about 16 inches long from right chest to left side with suture marks. A scar under both left and right nipples. Scar on left arm with suture marks.

    Circumstances: Decedent was staying in a motel room with a friend. Both men were shot and killed. Decedent's friend was identified as Jack Roy Davis. Decedent was posssibly from California, Misssouri, or Tennessee and possibly went by the namess of John, Johnny, Robert, or Ronald.
     
  6. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    This UID was one of several exhumed for additional study/identification, and it appears that since that time his NamUS ID Potential has increased to the max of 5 stars.

    I have not found a "missing person" with these types of scars. I have done quite a bit of research... reading newspaper reports/studying those involved in the murder. I have quite a few links regarding this and would be happy to share if anyone would care to go further.


    I don't feel confident but, just based on date and visual "appearance". Robert Carr MIGHT be a possibility (although no chest scars and the likelihood that he was a drowning victim)

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14479/529/



    RE: UID
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1305

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...e-unidentified-st-pete-murder-victims/1070778

    • Two men shot to death in Room 15 of the Siesta Motel at 701 34th St. N on April 26, 1980. One victim was identified as Jack Roy Davis, 40, of Knoxville, Tenn. The other never was identified. Police had a suspect in the case, a 39-year-old Tennessee man named Kyle Coy "Cowboy" Watson, according to St. Petersburg Times archives. But he was gunned down by his girlfriend four months after the murders.
     
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    DylansMom34 New Member

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  8. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    I like Olson too and I've tried to find some family info. I don't know if the date of the birth is incorrect, but I've had a tough time finding anything about him.

    It now appears that the UID may be at the upper end of the age range so I was hesitant to suggest Olson... but I still like him as a possibility... I like him better than CARR.
     
  9. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    This was a domestic dispute and the people involved knew each other, therefore I feel much of this info may be pertinent to discovering the identity of the UID.

    -The victims were not on the motel register but they had been staying there a week and were due to check out on Sunday.
    -The victims were shot about 11pm Saturday. One victim was shot in the left temple and behind the left eye.
    -Jack Roy Davis was identified by his ex-wife who lived in Tampa
    -The victims were acquainted with the motel manager & her husband (Cery & Kenny Nichols).
    -Barse (motel owner) said Mrs. Nichols (motel mgr) told him the men originally lived in Tampa and had returned to this area after moving to California
    -Police said the deaths were the result of a quarrel over personal relationships.
    -Police named Kyle "Cowboy" Watson as the murderer & David Ann Thomas as accessory to murder.
    -David Ann Thomas & Kyle "Cowboy" Watson had been living together in a motel under the name "Rutherford". (Thomas also goes by the names Bettery Hubbard, Joyce Marie Carter and David Ann Moore.)
    -Kyle Coy "Cowboy" Watson 39 of Knoxville was gunned down in Maryville TN. *Shot 4 times at close range with a 38 caliber gun. * A woman was seen fleeing the scene in a 1974 yellow Olds. Watson & the woman had been arguing in the parking lot of Hill's Market near Maryville (20 miles south of Knoxville). David Ann Thomas 39 suspected of shooting Watson
    - David Ann Thomas was later arrested in Selma, Alabama (I think one or more of her children lived there at the time).

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=71220033
    "Jack Roy Davis"
    Born May 11, 1942
    Died April 26, 1980
    PFC US Marine Corps
    Buried Hillsboro Memorial Cemetery
    Brandon
    Hillsboro County FL


    A few links to the news stories:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...mFQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=llgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4129,3781831

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...WtQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l1gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2268,3360678

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...fyme.blogspot.com/+&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...WtQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l1gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2268,3360678
     
  10. Shin Masamura

    Shin Masamura Him who is without syntax cast out the 1st pronoun

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    This is kinda off the board but has anyone looked at Richard James Romano

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3585dmfl.html

    The Height and weight is off but when I looked at the picture, it looked exactly like the uid. The fact how the Uid died sounds right, the location sounds right, the time of the disappearance is right. Can anyone do an overlay of the two pics.
     
  11. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    The real drawback for me is there is no mention of the heart surgery scar/s.
     
  12. vermontaigne

    vermontaigne New Member

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    Paul Jefferson is a 1979 Knoxville, Tennessee prison escapee. Height, weight, hair color all right. Eyebrows look different.

    [​IMG]

    Here's a newspaper article about the woman involved.
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Wow, she's a sweetheart, isn't she?

    For reference, 19 exclusions listed on Namus:

    Steven Anderson 1957 New Jersey
    William Arnold 1942 Nebraska
    Steve Arrowood 1956 North Carolina
    Lyndal Ashby 1938 Kentucky
    Michael Causley 1962 California
    Rogelio Cerda 1959 Texas
    John Dial 1943 Texas
    William Ellis 1932 Maryland
    Michael Gaughan 1957 Texas
    Joseph Halpern 1910 Colorado
    Raymond Harris 1951 Nebraska
    Dennis Mann 1959 Mississippi
    William Newman 1955 Louisiana
    Jay Pringle 1959 Oregon
    raymond schwarz 1949 Illinois
    Claude Shelton 1934 Kentucky
    Tom Starkel 1960 California
    David Waggoner 1947 Texas
    Mitchel Weiser 1956 New York

    https://identifyus.org/cases/1305
     
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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    There are some interesting similarities but the height difference is 8". I know we've seen height be off by quite a bit but that's a lot.

    But there is a strong resemblance, isn't there?
     

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  16. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for sharing the side-by-side photos, carbuff !

    The height is off, the birthmark/scars aren't there, the dates are off. But, there are a few things that still have me a little hopeful.

    I'm not one to just "match faces" but there is a resemblance... (imo) the UID seems to be a more mature version of Rob Kuhlman.
     
  17. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    And he's a Robert from California, which would also fit.

    Birthmarks and scars often don't get mentioned. LE sits on them so they can use them for a quick ruleout.
     
  18. rewaters

    rewaters New Member

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    David Ann Thomas died in 2014, I've always wondered if she knew who this guy was and if she did how come she didn't say.
     
  19. Jake479

    Jake479 Member

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    Bumping
     
  20. Ylva

    Ylva New Member

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    I recently came across the reconstruction and though "I am sure iv'e seen that face somewhere" so I went to Charley Project and found why he was so familiar.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/perrin_john.html
    To me, they look pretty much identical. The physical descriptions are spot on if you keep in mind that hazel eyes and brown eyes can be mistaken for each other, and he could have gotten a more reddish hair color given that ten years had passed between the disappearance and the death of UID. 10 years is a long enough time gap that UID could very well have gotten the surgeries done after he went off the radar.

    The circumstances of the disappearance also make it very plausible in my opinion. In the Charley Project page for John Perrin it states that Perrin may have been a man rescued in San Francisco, and if that was true it seems even more likely that Perrin is UID. I think Perrin tried to escape the draft, ended up in the water somehow, and decided to use a fake name in order to disappear.

    Perrins family thought he was alive and running from the draft, so UIDs secretive and sketchy circumstances make sense. This makes the timeline fit too because Perrin would have most likely been moving around and not settled down. Also, John Perrin went by the name Johnny, and he was born in Tennessee but disappeared from California, making him a John or Johnny from California or Tennessee, just like it says in UIDs profile.

    I don't know, it just seems to me that everything fits too well to be a coincidence.
     
  21. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    'Lots of things seem to "fit"! Nice work!!

    I think the UID was exhumed... new testing done.
     

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