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Fleet, Fleet III, Priscilla and Daphne White address Boulder City Council 06/03/2014

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by cynic, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. cynic

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    DW spoke, as JonBenét's ally, with elegance and grace. FW, III let it be known that simply googling his name to this very day is harmful.

    May the White's children know we are thrilled with their success. It is wonderful to see them mature into outstanding officers in the U. S. Navy.

    BCC needs to comply with their pleas for release.

    :twocents:
     
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    cynic Active Member

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    I updated the first post to include discussion by council of the White’s request.
     
  5. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    I don't know who the man is that spoke at the end but I agree with him. The council should not act if a Judge has said no.

    I think this is up to a judge.

    I have to say I don't believe any of it of NK story. I am not as versed in the NK theory as some of you but have read some FFJ.

    It seems to me though, they are in the wrong place to try and get a resolution. IMO
     
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    It is absolutely an appropriate avenue. We do not have these shenanigans in Florida due to the Sunshine law. Craziness in Colorado! There MUST be some good stuff to HIDE in those Krebs files!
     
  7. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    They can not go against a court decision not to release the documents. The judge has the last say not the council.

    I am sorry for them. I think this was a horrible injustice but I just don't know what they think this is going to help. My guess is that this was the reason for all the big announcements from the DA about them not being suspects in this case.

    Who can blame them, But I don't think they are helping anything going to the council.

    Again, This is something I dismissed early so I did not really read up on it.

    Help me here.
    NK made this cockamamie story up and told police.
    Then NK went online and tried to get everyone on board.
    NK is proved to liar and that was that.

    Have they sued NK directly?
     
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    No clue, Scarlet! I am newish to the slander and libel too. And I am afraid to search bc there may be kiddie porn involved? Something about this person accusing the Whites of pedo? And then saying the kids were in pedo photos -- posting them and such. For some reason, the police must have hopped happily allegedly on it and all hell broke loose.
     
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    But it is strange to me that they crawled so far up the White's behinds but gave the Ramsey's a long leash - all the way to Georgia!
     
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    I am sure someone here can spell it all out.
     
  11. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    I know what the accusations were and I know it is not something we are allowed to discuss here. So I am not getting into the meat of it, Just making sure I have the process right.

    I am curious if NK has been held accountable for the lies and the mayhem she caused.
     
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    RMN article from 08.26.2000, Probe linked to suggestion that girl died in sex party:
    "Several news organizations and journalists are targets of a Boulder police investigation into whether they criminally libeled Ramsey murder case witness Fleet White.

    Denver lawyer Tom Kelley, a specialist in libel and other First Amendment issues, said Friday the criminal libel statute has never been used against a news organization or journalist.

    [modsnip]

    The special prosecutor will decide whether anyone should be charged with criminal libel, a felony punishable by up to two years in prison and a fine of up to $100,000."
    http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0826libe3.shtml
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXCFYOV7rvY"]The Whites address Boulder City Council -- June 3, 2014 - YouTube[/ame]

    FW lll at 4:47: Because we live in the internet age,
    the lies and filth that the Boulder Daily Camera and Alex Hunter
    unleashed against my family in 2000 will follow us for the rest of our lives.
    I ask you to put yourself in my shoes; as a young adult starting my career I have to live with google search results that associate my name with the failed JonBenet Ramsey Murder investigation and the lies that Alex Hunter promoted in order to protect himself and John and Patsy Ramsey.

    Google FW lll : https://www.google.ca/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw&gws_rd=ssl#hl=en&q=Fleet+White+lll

    FW lll, Bio Navy Sports . com:
    http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-track/mtt/white_fleet00.html
     
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    Heyya DeDee,
    but is that even plausible
     
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    The Colorado statute of limitations for defamation is 1 year. The Whites did not file a civil suit against the accuser. Interestingly, they pursued criminal libel charges against the press, on the basis of a felony statute that has since been repealed.
     
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    By plausible, do you mean reasonable? If so, yes. The information NK imparted irreparably harmed the White's reputation. The BPD investigated NKs claims and found they were void of authenticity. Associating with John Ramsey forever altered life's peaceful course for the White family.

    Initially, iirc, when the NK story broke, JRs name was not mentioned, at all, but an alleged rape was. That's another reason why the Ws should have the K documents released; even with minor redactions. I've read more NK stuff than anyone should subject themselves to doing. One possible way JR could have met FW during that time period, although the chances are slim, was when JR was stationed in CA after leaving Officer Candidate School in Rhode Island at the beginning of his Naval career and before being stationed in the Philippines.

    During her radio show, Tricia, generously, gave us a heads up to stay tuned to action in Boulder.

    FW recently requested another public exoneration, his first was given in April 1997, for himself to be declared as a witness and not a suspect in the JBR murder. The White's have not let this request for NK docs go for a reason. Maybe there is something the public should know contained in the docs. The White's certainly think they/we should be privy to its entirety even with "revealing police procedures" redacted.

    http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1999/25arams.html

    ETA the press release letter from Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner on Jan. 23, 2014 regarding Fleet White's innocence:

    Boulder Police Department Statement Regarding the Family of Fleet White, Jr
    - See more at: http://www.noodls.com/view/EA44B427...A20984?9895xxx1390513676#sthash.goQoYDs9.dpuf
     
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    Ya. seeming reasonable or probable

    Thanks for the feedback DeDee.

    Council member Morzel comments are compassionate
    but as she says, she's not a lawyer.

    City manager? "would not recommend that the council get involved in making decisions on release of police records that involve investigative techniques in an ongoing investigation."

    Okay, will stay tuned.
     
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    If that doesn't sum up the whole thing.
     
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    Boulder City Council on summer vacation until July 22:

    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/bou...er-city-council-summer-vacation-until-july-15



    Boulder manes Greg Testa city's new police chief
    27-year department veteran had been interim chief since April 1
    06/16/2014:

    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/bou...il&utm_term=0_9151d91528-b13f833d62-285605961



    An Inside Job
    Even with five officers convicted for various crimes over the past two years, Boulder city officials avoided seeking an external candidate when it came time to hire a new police chief
    June 19,2014:

    http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-12989-an-inside-job.html



    Boulder's new police chief says he's inspired by own experience as victim of crime
    June 18, 2014:

    http://kdvr.com/2014/06/18/boulders...nspired-by-own-experience-as-victim-of-crime/

    "Testa said he has no plans to reignite the investigation into Boulder’s most famous cold case, the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey.
    “There is no goal or move to take that in front of a grand jury any time soon,” he said."
     
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    From An Inside Job:
    A “Professional Standards Review Panel,” comprised of 12 members — six police department members and six volunteer community members — reviews class 1 complaints. In a recent email exchange on Boulder’s City Council Hotline (beginning on June 5), then-Interim Chief Testa explained, “Panel members review administrative investigations in addition to a review by the subject employee’s supervisory chain of command. During the panel’s review, they make written recommendations on whether the investigation was conducted fairly, completely, and reported accurately. They also make a recommendation on disposition based on the material contained in the case file.”

    Testa clarified that panel decisions are advisory only, as are recommendations made by supervisors, leaving the ultimate decision to the police chief. Incidents involving criminal behavior will undergo criminal investigations and, if appropriate, go to trial.
    ...
    A panel of people from the police department and the city manager’s office interview candidates for available community positions on the professional standards review panel. The city manager makes the final selection.

    The chief of police, with input from the Boulder Police Officers Association and Boulder Municipal Employees Association, selects the department panel members. Department representation on the panel consists of three commissioned officers, one commissioned sergeant and two BMEA employees.

    Judd Golden, a Boulder-based lawyer and former long-time chair of Boulder County’s American Civil Liberties Union, says the current method for appointing community members means that all of the panel members are essentially appointed by the police.

    “At the minimum those [community] panel members should be appointed by an entity that’s not the police force, whether that’s the city council or one of the [other city] boards,” says Golden.
    ...
    “It’s not about the chief, per se, but about oversight. That’s my perspective. Culturally, we need to make sure we have the right tools in place to manage the department,” says Weaver.

    Council member Mary Young says that no member of council expressed any concern about the decision to hire internally.

    “There’s a real strong culture of succession planning within the police department. Chief Beckner especially was a meticulous planner and so we’re certain he, throughout his planning, came up with some good candidates,” says Young.

    Young says all misconduct by Boulder police officers has been investigated by the professional standards review panel and showed no evidence of “any systemic problem.”

    Golden disagrees.

    “So it seems as though, in reviewing those cases, that much of what those people were engaged in weren’t isolated instances, but seemed to be occurring in a recurring fashion, especially the evidence that came forth during the elk case shows that a lot of misconducts were just sort of winked at and it was a circle-thewagons, protect-our-own attitude until things got so extreme that it became public,” Golden says.

    He adds that while the choice to hire internally or externally really depends on the situation, the city council and city manager have “glossed over” the instances of misconduct within the department.

    “The concern I think the public should rightfully have is: Is there a culture within people in the department that protects their own and winks and nods at anything that isn’t a profound deviation from good conduct? Will [these candidates] support a change in that culture? Again, just putting people on trial and getting them convicted and having them quit when they get caught, that’s good. But what about all those others who are going about their ways? I’m not sure if they are getting any different message from their peers.”

    Council members Young and Weaver, as well as Boulder spokesperson Huntley all say they are unaware of any citizen concern about the decision to hire a new chief internally.

    “We haven’t gotten any emails on the matter at all. Not one,” says Young.

    Golden says a lack of public complaint doesn’t matter.

    “That is not at all how government should operate. As someone who has been involved in this issue and with the ACLU in the past, public outcry is not how governance should work,” Golden says. “The police chief and such, that’s all internally done. The public doesn’t get to vote on any of these people. So the idea of asking for an outcry, what do they want? Do they want five emails, or 10 people to show up at City Council and complain about it? Do we need to have some awful thing happen to motivate this? That’s exactly the wrong way to make good public policy.”​


    Wow. Of all communities, 'progressive' Boulder?...
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