Flight 370: brainstorm: Theories only

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  1. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Forbes Asia - Malaysia Airlines 370 in Central Asia?



    Keith Ledgerwood
    Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?
    Questions/Answers Follow-Up #1 - How Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68?

    “I’m sure: MH370 escaped in the shadow of another plane” retired Air Force Colonel says

    Blog below explains why it wouldn't work. I was also reading the game sim forum; people there said there is no way there was enough fuel.

    Ask the pilot - Theories and topics discussed in these updates include: transponders, cell phones, the Singapore Airlines radar theory, onboard fire or fumes theory, hijacking and plane-as-a-weapon theories, and more… 3/18/14
    THEORY OF THE DAY: The radar ruse. I’m talking about this post, by an aviation enthusiast named Keith Ledgerwood. His hypothesis is that the missing Malaysia Airlines jet had tucked up underneath a Singapore Airlines 777, causing the two planes’ radar signatures to appear as one. Thus disguised, the Malaysia jet flew on, undetected for hours before eventually breaking off and landing at an airfield in…? It fails to offer any explanation as to how, once separating from the Singapore flight, the Malaysia jet could have completed its secret diversion without being seen
     
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  3. Harmony 2

    Harmony 2 Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Brainstorm and discuss various theories you have read about on the web or elsewhere, that you put stock in or believe are credible...
     
  4. CARIIS

    CARIIS Typist Extraordinaire!

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    Glad we have this thread now! Did not think it was good idea earlier but now awesome

    It’s a bright group. I do not have to propose any "theory" on the following data.

    Syllabus for (FG540):
    Scare the heck out you II


    Your Assignment!

    Click this first!
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company

    Review, it will help on part 2 of this assignment!

    Following that assignment, go here!

    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/library/prod_lib.jsp

    In an effort to relieve “test anxiety “I have provided highlights of information within the website, that, in all likelihood, you can anticipate being on your midterms! Relax!

    77 GHz RADAR System
    Battery Monitoring
    Controller Area Network (CAN)
    • Ether CAT
    • ETHERNET Power link
    Local Interconnect Network (LIN) / SAE J2602
    Wireless Connectivity
    Unified Threat Management (UTM)
    FDA Class III devices Aviation and Defense: Safety-critical flight systems ...
    Certification In markets such as aviation
    standards used by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA ...
    Aviation DO-254, \
    Widely used in aviation, and in association with topographical and geographical activities
    Aviation Altimeters
    Engine Control
    Aviation − Military All must be considered, not just trace density!
    Military and radio communications. ...
    Low-noise down conversion of the radar signals
    Military and Avionics Imaging;
    Military: Radar/Sonar
    Pulse applications, such as HF, VHF, and low--band UHF radar and high...
    Devices are unmatched and are suitable for use in communications, radar
    HF through L- and S-Band radar, communications, missile...


    IMO, the plane was stolen, to sell what is in the cargo bay on the black while experimenting with the above mentioned items.

    As far as their test run went, I would have to give them an “A”
     
  5. time

    time New Member

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    Still thinking this plane was hijacked but it was not a test run. Most everything else seems to point away from heading in that southern 'arc' also. I just can't see why it would be out there. I might change my mind if they gave some account of the radar (paths, arcs, etc.) that made sense... and I don't think there was any emergency on the plane, e.g., fire, etc. I don't really have a solid feeling about why it was hijacked, could be the passengers/crew or cargo or for later use.
     
  6. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    More links for the company Freescale with 20 employees on the plane

     
  7. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Here's my rough theory:

    Plane was hijacked; taken to Pakistan for future use (possibly at upcoming Nuclear Summit). Passengers may or may not be alive; if alive, will be used for terrorism demands or purposes


    Puzzle pcs that 'fit' this theory:

    • no explosions seen from satellite; NO crash debris or remains yet found except 2 unlikely & as yet unconfirmed satellite images hundreds of miles off last radar tracking, SW of Australia

    • radar tracking AND ping arcs BOTH support heading to either Diego Garcia AFB or Pakistan. I'm more inclined to think Pakistan/Kazakhstan; just can't swallow idea of false flag and my USA being involved.

    • 2 Iranians with fake passports; Malaysia Airlines released photos of them, purposely cutting off one at the hips--what were they trying to hide? Also these men were originally described as Chinese and other descriptors not fitting with the photos they had of them.

    • recent trial related to bin Laden where informant told of Afghan training camp where given a shoe bomb to give to 5 Maylasians who wanted to 'blow up a cockpit door' with it

    • purposeful, staggered disconnection of communications by someone familiar with Boeing 777s and advanced avaiation/military flying maneuvers so as to avoid commercial radar and military radar EXCEPT Malaysia's. (Though I don't believe the 2 original pilots were willing participants, I'm less inclined to believe Malaysia had no involvement; I also can see them setting up the pilots to be scapegoats--the captain was on the 'opposition' side of the current, corrupt gov't. The government also OWNS the airport; control factor there important to pull this off.)

    • 12 Maylasians on the plane from Freescale who would have experience with advanced technology related to aviation and radar-blocking, cellphone 'sleep' devices, and possibly one with even flying experience

    • Malaysian gov't in general acting in untrustworthy, shady manner:

    - allowing Iranians with fake passports (and possibly shoe bombs) on plane
    - not acting on military radar infiltration
    - from the outset, delaying divulging of essential info
    - repeatedly backtracking and changing their accounts, including concerning the copilot being the "voice heard" at the last transmission

    • upcoming 2-yr anniversary of bin Laden's death

    • upcoming Nuclear Summit at The Hague (Mar 24)

    • Israel (with best intell in world) has tightened security after announcement the transponder was purposefully turned off in two steps


    (More to come as time permits)
     
  8. Derryn Hunch

    Derryn Hunch New Member

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    I'm putting together a detailed FAQ for MH370 - Here is what I have so far... I'm missed heaps of significant things (timeline for instance I can see now!)... Please PM me anything you think would be useful to add and I shal do so before I post it in the appropriate FAQ thread in an hr or two...

    Malaysian Airlines MH370 Incident FAQ

    The following questions and theory’s have been asked and addressed in regards to the events, possible theory’s and currently confirmed facts that are known about the mystery of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 from Kualar Lumpar, Malaysia to Beijing, China.

    Technical Facts (Aircraft information, capabilities and systems relevant to the case explained)

    What type of aircraft was involved?
    What was the aircrafts Civil Aviation registration number?
    Is there a picture of the ACTUAL plane that disappeared as MH370?
    How many engines did it have and what type?
    What is the Service Ceiling of this type of aircraft?
    What is the relevant airspeeds for operations of this aircraft?
    What is ACARS?
    What is FMC?
    What is a “transponder”?
    What reason would there be for an aircrew to turn a transponder of? Why don’t they just keep them on at all times?
    What is this “Ping” they keep talking about with the engines?
    The last radio call, “All right, goodnight” – is that significant or suspect in regards to aircraft radio communications protocol?
    What is “Autopilot” and what are its limitations?
    What are the qualifications and professional backgrounds of the aircrew who were in control of MH370?
    What is Hypoxia?
    What are the facts of decompression and how would this effect the possible timeline of events on MH370?
    They have mentioned that MH370 had potentially dangerous batteries on board, what is the significance of this?
    What security measures does Malaysian Airlines employ in regards to boarding flights and cockpit entry aboard their aircraft, including MH370?
    What is a flight simulator?
    The captain had one at his house, isn’t that very suspicious?
    How could it have been used to plan the MH370 incident?


    The People:
    How many people were aboard MH370?
    What nationalities were they?
    These Iranians travelling on stolen passports… what’s the go?
    Has everyone on board MH370 been checked and cleared for criminal history, terrorism links or specialist military or government jobs that may make them noteworthy or a potential target?
    I have heard that there were 20 people on board who worked for a specialist military chip company – tell me more!
    I heard that passenger 84 was kept secret and had his name hidden from the manifest, why?
    I heard that there was some nutty professor on board the aircraft who had flight training and specialised in some pretty scary things when it comes to making aircraft disappear.. is this true?

    The Theories (and relevant facts that either prove or disprove their feasbality):

    The aircraft was HiJacked by terrorists…
    The aircraft was HiJacked by a state sponsored intelligence agency or organisation in a military style operation…
    An allied missile shot it down by accident and they are doing another TAA style coverup…
    The Flight Crew themselves were involved or orchestrated the whole thing…
    One of the two pilots went rouge and “pilot suicide” is the answer…
    There was a fire on board and the crew were trying to save the aircraft and return to a nearby capable airport, however they became incapacitated before they could successfully land the aircraft and it continued to fly out to sea on the heading last set until it ran out of fuel…
    There was a Hypoxia event on board related to a decompression event
    There was a bomb on board…
    There was biological weapons on board…
    The aircraft has been stolen by terrorists with a well executed mission that evaded ground based radar systems by terrain masking and shadowed beneath a Singapore Airlines 777 too sneak through the airspace without detection...
    (1) It has landed in “****stan” and the passengers are being used as leverage in a secret negotiation process that th government is not admitting… (and/or)
    (2) The aircraft is being loaded up with nuclear weapons or radioactive waste or biological weapons and will be used in a future terrorism attack…
    The captain’s passionate support of the opposition governemt and the recent trial of the head of this political party lead to him seek retribution by orchestrating this incident with the purpose of making the government of Malaysia look stupid and expose the corruption and injustices that he felt have occurred to the world. His experience and knowledge of regional civilian and military radar coverage and capability’s allowed him show up David Copperfield as an amature by making this aircraft effectively vanish off the face of the earth. The simulator in his home allowed him to practice this….
    The aircraft was hijacked by remote control, either by a person on board using the PlainSploit App that was described at a technology and security forum in April last year, or by an electronic warefare aircraft that was capable of this. (and the conclusions too each)
    The aircraft suffered some kind of toxic atmosphere incident that took over the entire pressurized area (where passengers and flight crew are) of the aircraft. Life was unsupportable and everyone aboard MH370 was dead within the first 2hrs of the flight – Malaysian Authority’s knew this before the plane had even crossed back over the peninsula and their sheer lack of preparedness and rescources to deal with such an event has lead to them covering this up and delaying search efforts in the hope that evidence will over time become either impossible to find or subject to exposure that will deem it inconclusive or gone all together…
     
  9. ToutCa

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    Why to take the McInerney "Plane is in Pakistan" theory with a grain of salt:

    Retired US Air Force General McInerney has appeared repeatedly on FoxNews to argue his theory that the plane was hijacked to Pakistan. Much of what he had to say is misleading, and often outright false.

    March 18 McInerney on Fox:

    No, there's no evidence MH-370 took on extra fuel in Kuala Lumpur.

    FALSE. Rumor was debunked by Boeing itself:

    NOPE. 24 to 48 hours passed and no government stepped forward to say the plane was in Pakistan.

    NOPE. US Navy destroyer Kidd stopped searching Northern Indian Ocean because the satellite info said the plane wasn't there. Israel went on alert as a normal precaution to possible terrorist activity. No proof of anything.

    Huh?! So the pilots were radioing their accomplices on a landing strip but no one else could hear the transmissions? Seriously?

    March 19 McInerney on Fox:

    Proves zilch. Draw a circle 2,700 miles from Kuala Lumpur, and MH-370's fuel could have taken it to any point on it.

    What top-notch sources did McInerney consult to calculate his theories?

    Um, yeah.

    Um, yeah.

    Nor is there any data to corroborate they went north! Come on!

    March 20 McInerney on Fox:

    How many have been asked about radical Islam? I'm going to guess McInerney is not the only aviation expert familiar with Islamic terrorists.

    MH-370 could have easily headed south without nearing either country's airspace.

    There's no compelling evidence the airplane is anywhere. It's a mystery.

    The host confronts McInerney to ask if his thinking comes from secret sources:

    Um, yeah. Not convincing, no evidence. Just more speculation to throw on the pile.
     
  10. CARIIS

    CARIIS Typist Extraordinaire!

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    Interestng....if you slowly go through it, all but 2-3 were either 15-40 years ago (much advancement in FDR tracking) , many were in third world countries which do not maintain their aircraft anywhere, expecilly 40 years ago.

    The notion being made here, is not finding the FDR by this point in time , in this day and age of tech, could easily further the possiblity that she is down, fine and in a hanger

    List of unrecovered flight recorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just getting caught up - who would go into a forming hurricane (cyclone, typhoon all the same) to go look for an airplane wing!
     
  11. ElleElle

    ElleElle Active Member

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    Here's what I think:

    The mom was in Germany and the 2 Iranians planned their escape from Iran to get to Europe. I don't blame them.

    They know they can fly to Malaysia on their Iranian passports. There are not many countries that allow Iranian passports without a visa.

    They found an underground stolen passport operation in KL, and paid $10,000 each for a European passport to get to Europe. I am certain whoever operates this underground stolen passport operation has many clients. Kind of like a drug dealer. I believe the 2 Iranians met at this point.

    Now, this is where it gets hazy. Did someone convince them to do something else, besides escape to Europe?

    IMO, the Iranians may be involved, but just accomplices to what could of happened if in fact MH370 was hijacked.
     
  12. Roselvr

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    I feel they had to do what they did due to someone standing there. I think they turned before he said good night; I think the pilots were hoping someone would notice what was going on. I think they did what they could to stall taking the plane down before throwing it in the water.
     
  13. time

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    Here is a graphic that I think is entirely feasible for the plane path, sightings, and military waypoints (doesn't quite have all the military waypoints, but Igrex is the last one)! It seems to be a path where a plane would be the least detectable. This would discount the arc data though?

    [​IMG]
     
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    ILikeToBendPages Well-Known Member

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    I think they know exactly where that plane is or what happened to it. They arent gonna tell us and are going to pull up debris from the ocean over months and years to make people believe the plane is really there.

    I believe the relatives of the planes passengers believe this as well. Which is why they are so mad.
     
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    I'm on the same page as you. I do not think this plane crashed in the ocean anywhere because it doesn't make any sense. If the pilot wanted to kill himself..why would he take the lives of everyone else also, without making any statement? Why would he want to go "under the radar" and change directions of the airplane, and turn off the radar? I would think if this was also a terrorist act that we would all be well aware (just like when 9/11 happened...it didn't take long at all for the whole United States to know we were under attack!). It definitly feels like there is a cover up going on, and we will most likely never know the truth. But they are quickly running out of time...and they have to tell the people something! I had heard that the Malaysian government had jailed the leader of one of the largest anti-governement groups the day before the plane disappeared. I'm not sure if that is fact or rumor..but if that is true, i'm not sure why this wouldn't be the first place looked into? MOO
     
  17. Roselvr

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    I do not understand what took so long to make this statement today that everyone is deceased & that the plane went down in the ocean.
     
  18. AlwaysShocked

    AlwaysShocked Well-Known Member

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    Here is my updated theory which incorporates facts revealed since last week:


    The Pilot is known to be a strong political supporter of an opposition politician -Ibraham, whose "guilty to charges of sodomy" conviction was reinstated earlier on the same day as this flight. Meaning he cannot participate in an upcoming election which some sources report he was bound to win.

    The Pilot has seen bribes and corruption within his country. Earlier this very day he saw how corrupted the judicial branch is. He has long observed various corruptions and bribes within the airline industry, including cargo not being examined, passports being stolen and sold.

    The Pilot had a friend - another pilot - over to play on the flight simulator a few months prior. That friend made an offhand, sarcastic remark, "Hey, things are so corrupt, even the military is compromised. I'd bet an unknown plane could cross our country and the military would never even know it!"

    This thought sticks in the Pilot's head. He begins to wonder if this could really happen. He starts to play on the flight simulator, working out a plan as to how something like this could possibly happen. It is an intellectual challenge for him to "play this game". He eventually figures out a potential flight plan for something like this to happen. This is all just a "game" to the Pilot. But it is a fun game for him to play. He plays it over and over again.

    The afternoon of the event, he becomes very upset when he learns that his chosen political candidate is going to be put back into jail. All hope is lost for changes to take place in his beloved country, to end the corruption.

    He reports at the airport for duty that evening. He learns his co-pilot is to be the guy who was recently reprimanded by the airline for breaching cockpit safety by having females in the cockpit during a flight. This does not particularly please him. He is not in a good mood anyway. He and his wife had an argument before he left home earlier that evening. She accused him of spending too many hours in front of his flight simulator.

    The flight takes off. The co-pilot is young and wants to engage in idle chatter. The Pilot is not in the mood for this. The co-pilot persists. The Pilot is rude to him, telling him to be quiet. At that point, just to see if anyone notices, the Pilot turns off the transponder. No one notices anything - not even the co-pilot. The co-pilot makes the last contact with ATC, saying "Alright, good night" instead of using the normal wording for sign-off. Once again, no one notices or acknowledges this was a deviation from protocol. The Pilot thinks to himself, "It really is as bad as I feared”.

    Strong feelings of frustration mixed with a bitter anger well up within the Pilot. He has tried so hard and for so long to be supportive of instituting needed changes within his country. He has been a strong and outspoken supporter of a political candidate who will once again be jailed on charges of sodomy. For this, he will be humiliated among his friends and co-workers. He remembers back when he was a child and life was simpler. There was never all the greed, the bribes, the people who did not do their job properly yet never got fired because they “knew somebody”. And terrible, dark feeling of helplessness and hopelessness descended upon him.


    This is when the pilot turns off the second communication system. And even that action goes unnoticed by his inexperienced co-pilot. In his anger and frustration and darkness, for the Pilot the final game begins.

    “I have a headache,” he says to the co-pilot. “I want you to go to the back and get me something for it.” The co-pilot looks at him and says “What? Why not have one of the attendants bring it?” And as he had rehearsed it many times at home in front of the simulator screen he replied, “No, we are not busy here, but they are still busy with the passengers. Better for you to make a quick trip back. Besides, you can show yourself to the ladies, right?” The co-pilot smiles and unbuckles his seatbelt.


    As soon as the co-pilot leaves the cockpit, the Pilot begins to enter the well-rehearsed coordinates of "the game" into the autopilot. Next he leaves his seat and retrieves one of the small, portable oxygen tank setups from a small storage area. He places the tank on the floor beside his seat. He walks over to the cockpit door and manually changes the lock code from the inside. Now the door cannot be opened from the outside by anyone. The Pilot once again takes his seat and dons the facial mask for the oxygen setup. He puts the plane into a steep climb. It does not take long to reach 45,000 feet.

    Once at height, the Pilot sits numbly as the plane makes a wide turn and heads in a westerly direction, back towards the Malaysian peninsula. Soon the plane begins its pre-programmed descent to 12,000 feet. The Pilot wonders how long it will take for the fighter jets to appear outside the cockpit window. He knows that he will fly over three radar centers, one of them with very new and up-to-date equipment. He figures he will be picked up on the radar. He wonders how long he can play with them before he is shot down. He sees the lights of Penang passing below him. But there are no fighter jets. None! Soon the Pilot is out over the ocean once again. No fighter jets follow him. “But how can this be?” he wonders.

    The Pilot leans back in his seat and closes his eyes. He has won the game. But he has also lost the game……… He then once again reprograms the autopilot. Settling back into his seat once again, he stares down at the vast ocean below him. After a while he reaches down and moves the valve on the portable oxygen tank to the “Closed” position.
     
  19. newone

    newone 2nd mouse gets the cheese

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    plane is in custody of Pakistan.....
     
  20. skibaboo

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    I don't have a theory per se but a few things that have stuck with me and I think may turn out to be a contributing factors.

    The airplane was involved in an accident in 2012 that damaged its wing
    The airplane underwent a recent maintenance service in February 2014

    Things have happened to planes that seem to defy logic, been miraculous and totally unexpected.

    Media outlets love to sensationalize and jump to worst case scenarios, hear the word 'hijack' 'terrorism' panic and confusion. Also too many cooks, 'experts' and anonymous sources ahoy. Facts seem to be to a minimum.

    Malaysia seem to lack experience in dealing with such a large investigation.

    Having said that I'm leaning towards rare mechanical failure/occurrence/accident but not ruling out something more sinister. I firmly believe the plane did crash into the Indian ocean.

    This is based on 'Knowledge' gained from an almost 30 year obsession with air crash investigation :p
     
  21. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Its very interesting theory and I can see where it is plausible.
     

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