For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

Discussion in 'Caylee Anthony 2 years old' started by mrsu, Jul 5, 2011.

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  1. onewick

    onewick New Member

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    And if the parent (Casey) was not responsible for the welfare of her child, who the heck was?
     


  2. burbqueen

    burbqueen New Member

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    And the people that believe that Caylee drowned really have to stop and ask themselves why they believe that. There is no evidence. IMO i think thats what people want to believe and human psyche is amazing.

    I cornered a friend of mine who believes this and guess what it boiled down to: She didnt look like a murderer! Thats right folks. She seemed like she loved her kid by just watching video clips and photos. ICA looked nice and was attractive. Oh and he said its hard for a mom to kill her kid. I just walked away...He wanted to believe she drowned cause the opposite was too much for his mind to process. I think alot of people dont wanna believe she murdered her child even in the face of evidence and everything. Unbelieveable!
     
  3. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    Once you believe the accident theory is plausible (and I always believed whatever happened was an accident be it overdose or the pool) it is possible to put George smack into the middle of it. It is a reasonable doubt on whether casey did it and G and CA helped her cover it up or if G did it and threatened casey to cover it up.

    Do I think it is likely? no. But the state certainly did not make me think it was unreasonable.

    I think it is up to each person to see what they feel is reasonable, but imo the state never got past the death itself - was it accident/murder and who did it in the family. At least based on the trial. And the forensics were not good..not a case to try sniffing air science out on..made the PT look like they were desperate.
     
  4. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    Excellent excellent post. I think it is the way I feel the most. I could see some jurors wondering about George but i personally would have thought accident and the behavior afterward was despicable. Not though proof of murder
     
  5. MarthaM

    MarthaM New Member

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    I don't think it's so much that people believe Caylee drowned, it's that they don't know how she died. There are many possibilities for what 'could have' happened. The point is that the prosecution didn't prove what they said 'did' happen. The burden of proof is on them in a criminal trial and they just didn't prove their case.
     
  6. OneLostGrl

    OneLostGrl I'm going against the grain- I'm going sane

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    I would like to know why George's 20 something year old gas can (the same can he won't admit to placing the "messy" duct tape on) had not one fingerprint on it. A 20 year old gas can with no fingerprints?!?
     
  7. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    yes...no charge was given that they could use
     
  8. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    In a circumstantial case they say its the cumulative evidence that puts it over reasonable doubt...reading your list imo puts the reasonable doubt in the case. Especially if all I knew was from the court room, none of the other things.

    Good list...I don't think the pros did a good job dismantling the defence at all.and they didn't have to prove anything they said, it was up to the PT.
     
  9. onewick

    onewick New Member

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    Someone please explain to me how Child Neglect that resulted in Death is not Child Abuse??? Please?????????????????
     
  10. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    Not true. Each of them may believe that Casey killed her. It is just that the state did not get over the reasonable doubt hurdle. And each and every one of them is allowed to end the trial believing guilt or innocence. If the vote is unanimous no one has to convince the other of something so there isn't much to go over.
     
  11. Mendara

    Mendara Well-Known Member

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    The alternate scenario you presented above was not the claim of the defense. I can telly ou that would have been better, but the defense didn't even want her associated with the dumping of the body. So they threw George into the mix, then they threw Kronk in there to make you believe the tape was placed by him.

    Your scenario may have made sense, but the defense's did not.

    Just because she saw the photo of the chloroform image on Ricardo's face book, it does not mean she did not want to know how to make it to use it her herself. She did not search "what is chloroform" - she searched "how to make chloroform"

    and it was in the trunk of the car.
     
  12. KariKae

    KariKae Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunatley, I believe this is true for a lot of people. We don't want to believe young, attractive mothers kill their children. Just sets the bar a little bit higher for the state.
     
  13. SilkySifaka

    SilkySifaka Active Member

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    Someone on here and on tv today mentioned the agg child abuse actually was tied to the murder charge so that the death penalty came into play. Apparently they couldn't find her guilty of the one if the murder was not guilty.

    someone correct me if I am wrong but it was something like "and given your guilty verdict of murder do you believe that the aggravated crime of child abuse was committed"

    rather than a stand alone. At least that is my understanding.
     
  14. goatman

    goatman -FYI: I'm a female

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    I want to say something, and I know that I am not good with words sometimes so please understand what I am saying.

    We didn't fail, whatever the outcome of this verdict was going to be---we didn't fail. The not guilty verdict felt like a punch in the stomach. After all the time, energy, money, and HOPE for justice we have invested in this to be told that the guilty was innocent was heart breaking.

    But that doesn't mean we failed, or that justice failed. It doesn't take away the fact that as a society we sent a message to ICA and any other murdering mothers/fathers/parents/whoever that we are watching. That whether they want to bury their children in a tub, throw them out like trash, or simply "disappear" them. We will find them, we will hope, pray, and work towards and for justice. That doesn't end when the verdict is read. If she was found guilty we would have monitored who was visiting her, who was helping her, who was paying her; because she was found not guilty doesn't change that---it just makes it a bit more difficult.

    We, as a society took a stand FOR Caylee, and we will continue to commiserate, empathize, and encourage those lives that ICA has intentionally (and maybe unintentionally) ruined, harmed, or besmirched.

    We didn't fail, we refused to let Caylee's life and death be swept under the figurative rug. Something we continue to do with the many, many other cases here on Websleuths: Kyron, Juilette, Christian Choate, Sunny and Golden Boy...

    It is hard to slueth, read, and open your hearts to those in pain, to delve into the lives of abused, murdered, and neglected children and adults. But we do it because to NOT do it would be a failure. To not remember these children, the lives they lived, and to hope, pray, and work for justice for each of them is the failure.

    For the rest of her life, ICA will know that we know what she did. That we didn't and won't forget Caylee. She will know when she goes to a job interview (if that ever happens), when she is recognized in the grocery, or anytime a prospective boyfriend, friend, or random person Googles her name.

    ICA will be free, but she will never have a "bella vita".

    So, fellow sleuthers, I just want to encourage you to continue your work. I know that the emotional investment is difficult, sometimes hard to bear, but we have to---we have to remember the lives and deaths of these children. Standing alongside one another to protect, honor and love our greatest asset and the future---our children.

    We are a voice in the darkness that say "I have forgotten"; as we fight for justice remember that we are fighting for the right for children to be children to live free, to imagine, to hope. We are petitioning courts, changing laws, and choosing to live for 'right'.

    The verdict in this case was difficult to take. But please be encouraged other sleuthers, Caylee's life will be remembered, her death will be remember, and her murderess will never be truly free. We fought for justice and was able to bring ICA to face a jury of her peers---let us hope we can do the same for Kyron, Juilette, C.C., and Sunny.

    With Hope
    Goatman
     
  15. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Pediatric Nurse Georgia

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    my comments below your questions
    moo
     
  16. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Pediatric Nurse Georgia

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    JUNE 16
    Shirley Plesea to Pam Plesea
    “She told me that Cindy and George are not being totally honest about that night...-" Then Cindy called her mother Shirley the next morning and told her that Casey had taken Caylee and the car before anyone woke up and was gone".
    we know
    *Cell pings and computer activity indicate Casey was in and/or near the home UNTIL mid afternoomn?

    *Casey most certainly was not "gone" yet.

    Cindy told police she could hear them "breathing" through the door that
    morning?

    CA doesn't get a pass form me for this!
    Something happened to Caylee that night.
     
  17. leighg

    leighg New Member

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    I reread what it takes to be found guilty of aggravated child abuse and I conceede this point to the jury. However, I still find that aggravated manslaughter was a viable option:

    Aggravated manslaughter is an enhanced charge triggered by certain circumstances. Those include negligently causing the death of an elderly person; negligently causing the death of a person less than 18 years old; and negligently causing the death of fire or rescue personnel.

    A caregivers failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child.


    I guess that the jury couldn't determine if Casey was alone in the negligence or if perhaps George was also culpable and there was the reasonable doubt. I don't get it but I am clouded by all of the peripheral evidence not presented in court to the jury.
     
  18. leighg

    leighg New Member

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    Child Neglect is not an option in aggravated child abuse under Fl statute. The jury seems to have felt that they did not have enough evidence :


    Under Florida Statute Section 827.03(2), aggravated child abuse occurs when the defendant commits one of the following on a child:

    aggravated battery,
    willfully tortured,
    maliciously punished,
    willfully and unlawfully caged, or
    willfully committed child abuse causing great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement.


    Maybe if the SA listed negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter there might have been a conviction but until we hear a consensus from the jury we just don't know what was in their minds.
     
  19. kgeaux

    kgeaux New Member

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    Hopefully your friend is not an indicator of how the majority of people think. I don't know if anyone believes that Caylee drowned. I, and lots of others, believe it is a possibility. The defense did not have to prove that she drowned, the prosecution had to prove it was MURDER. And they didn't. IMO, they didn't prove much beyond Casey is a liar, and even her own lawyers agreed with that!
     
  20. Karmaa

    Karmaa CASA Advocate

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    If you are referring to the post where I asked how they could convict her of Aggravated Child Abuse, then I think you misunderstood. I was talking about the LEGAL requirements for that charge. The legal requirements are often quite different than people think. Certain specifics need to be met, and my point was that the requirements for Aggravated Child Abuse were not met in this case.

    There were several other charges that she probably could have been convicted on, but she was never charged with those things. It's a shame.
     
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