8:36 – Baez enters court
8:53 – Casey enters, talks to CM
8:59:50 – judge enters, JB says Cindy is next witness but he needs 3 more minutes to get evidence items ready
HHJP said “that’s why you were told to get here at 8:30”
JB answered “we were”
9:02:10 – HHJP says return the jury
9:03:20 – jury enters
9:03:59 – Cindy Anthony, defense witness
JB direct – Caylee’s shorts, she wore 3T
(if the shorts were too small, it would have been difficult to put them on, if at all, or a smaller size but without diapers, possibly still fit, somebody please mention this!)
9:06:07 – LDB objects, relevancy – SIDEBAR # 1
9:12:23 – end sidebar
JB showing video of Caylee and Casey on floor, April 2007
Casey smiling at video, then trying to tear up, wiping her face
Cindy tears up on stand
showing CA Pic of pregnancy Casey & Cindy at Rick’s wedding
LDB objects, relevancy
9:18:37 – SIDEBAR # 2
9:20:14 – LDB’s prior objection sustained
JB shows pic of backyard swimming pool with ladder attached, Cindy tells how ladder disconnects
Pics of where ladder was placed when removed from pool
Pics of Caylee going up the ladder into pool with Cindy
9:26:10 – LDB objects – SIDEBAR # 3
9:39 – JB showing Cindy 2 pics of Caylee on ladder than one year prior to her death
Caylee could climb the ladder by herself
Pics of Caylee in pool
Cindy claiming Caylee outgrew her 2007 life vest and had to buy another for 2008
Cindy was 99 point sure (yes, that’s what she said!) Caylee wore shoes to go out, says Cindy put shoes on her, Caylee could open doors
9:58 – on 16 June 2008, says ladder was off pool, claims she told people at work about it
9:59:28 – SIDEBAR # 4
10:05:05 – special RECESS until 10:25
10:27 – Judge returns saying he read a certain case re: theory of defense re: KC’s behavior caused by sexual abuse by father & brother
JB says “among other things”
HHJP – what others things? This is all you mentioned in opening, What is your theory of defense, can use it to get everything else, he allowed photos of Caylee on ladder into pool
10:31 – SIDEBAR # 5
10:51 – end sidebar
10:52:30 – jury enters
10:53:25 – JB continues with Cindy re: 16 July 2008, she told Yuri Melich about the ladder being down that day, How many times did you try to tell them about the ladder and pool?
10:54:10 – SIDEBAR # 6
10:58:31 – LDB cross – evidence being marked, bringing evidence to Jose
11:01:00 – LDB asks if Cindy maintained Caylee’s room, her clothing, presents for her 3rd birthday? Yes. By June 15th, 2008, was she potty trained? Pretty much, was wearing underwear most of the time. When do she go from diapers to pull-ups? Early 2008.
In video, she’s wearing diaper or pull-ups in April 2007, in 2007 she was still in diapers.
Circo is the Target brand, lots of clothing with that brand
More pictures of tops, shorts, from Caylee’s room until seized by LE, sizes 2T also 3T
Caylee was stocky when young and thinned out as she became more active, some clothing could last a year, when was last time she saw shorts in video? Were those shorts kept in your home? Some maybe in diaper bag or back pack as a change of clothing? Yes. It wasn’t one of Cindy’s favorite outfits, didn’t see the shorts much after 2007.
Throughout this exchange, Cindy makes Linda repeat questions and tries to avoid answering.
How heavy is pool ladder? Caylee couldn’t move it. Door was difficult to open, Caylee was obedient, taught not to go up the ladder alone.
Can someone reach into the pool to retrieve something? Yes
Caylee at back door pic taken in Spring 2008 (looks very tall)
Caylee was never left home alone
Caylee can’t open yard gate
Ladder incident before gas can incident
Ladder 16th or 17th, called GA’s cellphone or maybe his work phone
Mentioning the errors Cindy made with dates of June 2008 in her statements
Cindy says she told her co-workers about ladder & gas can incidents, timecard shows you were at work June 16th 2008, June 17th, all week at work through June 24th (gas cans)
Timecard accurately reflects her schedule? Yes
Did Casey tell you there was an accident in the pool? No. Did she continue to tell you Caylee was kidnapped by the babysitter? Yes.
11:25:44 – JB re: showing same pics to CA, he looks mad, pics of Caylee’s clothing tags, material, cotton, knit
11:32 – LDB asks 2 questions in re-cross
11:33 – Lee Anthony, witness on stand
JB direct – When did you own the Starfire? 2000 – 2005
JB shows pics of car
Some stains in trunk – 3 outside of spare tire
Did you stain the trunk? LA doesn’t recall
11:38:51 – SIDEBAR # 7
first time noticed/suspected Casey was pregnant? Early 2005, saw her midsection when she was leaving bathroom
says he mentioned this to Cindy
11:44:13 – SIDEBAR # 8
other times she was showing? Was it discussed with Cindy? No
Casey picked him up for airport and was obviously pregnant? Yes.
(Lots of objecting going on)
acknowledged pregnancy a few days before Caylee was born
Lee didn’t visit Casey in the hospital when baby was born because he was hurt & didn’t want to be there
11:51:50 – SIDEBAR # 9
11:54 – why LA was angry and with whom? LA crying on stand, Angry with his mom and sister, they wouldn’t include him, they denied the pregnancy
(Lee seems to have been a non-entity in that family.)
Casey supposedly crying, too
11:56:36 – lunch RECESS 1:30
Judge asked Jose to check his schedule and let him know when they’ll be wrapping
JB patting LA on the back as he leaves the stand
LA not looking at Casey
LA talking in back of courtroom with GA & CA, but not looking receptive
1:31 – judge returns to court, calls attorneys to bench
1:47:12 – Lee back on the stand
1:47:12 – JA cross - asks LA about stink in car
LA refused to meet with prosecutors, last week he requested to meet with Baez.
Asking if he spoke to KC re: her pregnancy in 2005
Re: July 2009 deposition with FG, JB present, p. 31 line 6 – 15, asked if he called her out on her pregnancy, LA stated, “It wasn’t my place”
See p. 30
JB objects, JA says impeachment
JB objecting all over the place, Judge says “you can ask on re-direct”
Parents were “over-the-top” before the birth of Caylee? LA was told to “let it go” by Cindy
p. 35 of depo before Caylee was born, “my role was to be in the background because my parents were over-the-top”, they decorated a room for the baby, made purchases for her, party – shower, LA not included in pre-birth activities, claims to know any details about party/shower
re: depo – asking what was different in today’s emotional testimony earlier (with JB), and answering the same question two years ago
LA says she’s dead now, didn’t know that before!
JA reminding him he spoke at a memorial service for Caylee BEFORE he did the depo in July 2009
2:07:00 – JB re-direct - asks about stain in trunk of car, hard to see in pic, but stains are there, describes stain, Jb asking if LA met with prosecution before testifying
p. 31 of depo, lines 12 – 14
(Yikes, everyone is stressed and on edge, lots of snapping at each other going on today, Judge, JB, JA, all attorneys short-tempered)
p. 31, lines 12 – 14, did you say parents over-the-top in depo? Did you give your impression that they were? Didn’t cry giving depo? – LA says didn’t want to be here, stressed
JA asks at memorial didn’t want to believe Caylee was dead? Don’t know, last year was hard for him, didn’t want to believe, now I do
2:19:45 – JA re-cross
reminding LA how often he had to be shown his depo when FG and JA asked him questions, but were fine when JB asked him earlier today
p. 31, line 15 in depo, he said he probably spoke to his mother re: Casey’s pregnancy
p.33, baby shower in months preceding Caylee’s birth
JB has no questions
witness off the stand
2:24:41 – JB says his next witness is in the restroom
HHJP calls 15 minutes break, Judge asked jury if the dessert lady showed up today?
2:46 – judge returns
2:47:50 – jury returns
2:48:38 – Cindy Anthony, defense witness
baby shower was held on August 27th after Caylee was born, it was originally planned for August 13th, but Caylee was born on August 9th, stating baby was expected in September, but she came a month before schedule, had to call everyone to delay the baby shower
JB wants to show picture
LDB objects to photograph, relevance
2:57:41 – SIDEBAR # 10
objection sustained re: above photograph
JB showing pic of preg. KC and Cindy at brother Rick’s wedding, June 2005
Who attended baby shower? Casey’s grandmothers, aunts, Cindy’s friends, Jesse’s mother, neighbors, etc.
Was Lee present? No, none of the guys were present.
3:01:08 – Deputy Ryan Eberlan (sp), defense witness, OCSO (in uniform)
CM direct – You called to the residence on Hopespring Drive? Yes. Saw the Sunfire? Yes. Did you smell an odor? No. Did you handcuff Casey? Yes. Instructed by Sgt. Hosey to remove handcuffs? Yes.
3:03:08 – LDB cross
He was a junior officer on the scene? Yes. Cuffed KC for about 2 minutes? Yes. Why did he cuff her? Because Cindy said Casey stole…..
3:04:20 – SIDEBAR # 11
3:12 – end of sidebar. Judge saying brief/legal matters to take care of, sending jury out
LDB – asks Deputy to tell court why he puts cuffs on KC, because Cindy wanted KC arrested because KC stole credit cards, etc. Hosey told him to worry about the missing child first.
3:15:55 – LDB says CM asked about cuffs in direct, it opens the door to find out why
Judge says he’ll give instructions to jury
3:27:30 – jury returns, Judge reads stipulation to jury re: handcuffing
LDB says after being handcuffed KC signed her statement regarding the missing child
CA said she wanted KC arrested for credit card theft/fraud, she was uncuffed and she went back into her house
Later Detective Yuri Melich arrived, deputy was no longer involved with investigation
3:31 – deputy excused from witness stand
Corporal Eric Edwards, OCSO, witness
In 2008 homicide corporal
CM direct - Knows Linda Tinelli? Yes
3:33:30 – SIDEBAR # 12
CM – direct continues - Lori Cree of TES knows Linda Tinelli. Tinelli was volunteer at Kidfinders tent
Duct tape? Yes
Linda told Lori George A. brought duct tape to the tent – showed her posters with duct tape, strong tape
Sgt. visited Tinelli March 2009, asking her to record conversations with GA & CA – she was reluctant to get her husband’s permission to do so
Another time spoke to Linda about wiring her, didn’t do it though – did retrieve phone message from Linda’s message machine of message left by Cindy Anthony
Judge asking CM why this is relevant & any material fact?
CM says relevancy to theory of defense, what happened after accidental drowning, officers tried to get incriminating statements, not able to get evidence
LDB – no evidence obtained, motivations not relevant for jury to consider
CM says state is using same premise saying duct tape is murder weapon
Judge says admission of all evidence is relevant by proffer, evidence does go to proven fact, defense says drowning & bizarre behavior, defense not relevant, not theory of defense per proffer
(I must have missed something here. This appears to have been another proffer without jury? Not sure.)
3:58:00 – witness excused
court reporter getting information, sitting next to Jeff Ashton
court reporter goes back to her desk
4:02:45 – LDB saying witness can’t claim what brand of duct tape, saying duct tape at volunteer tent is okay, admissible
4:06:34 – jury enters
4:07:22 – Linda Tinelli, witness
CM direct – she met GA & CA when she volunteered to work at their tent, late July 2008 – Dec. 8th, 2008. Yes, there was duct tape at the tent on tablecloths to hold them down because of wind, & to hold up posters
4:10:10 - CM ends
LDB no questions
4:11:35 – Yuri Melich, witness
JB (I think) direct - he had a supervisor who also had a supervisor in July 2008
16 July 2008, early morning, odor mentioned by GA
car brought to OCSO central operations center later on 16th July
that morning he spent 1 hour at Anthony house, went cruising with Casey, then dropped her off at her home, GA wanted to speak to him privately, it’s noted in his report what GA said
later Det. Went on Universal tour with Casey, Sgt Hosey and other LE there (missed the name), car was confiscated after Casey was arrested – made arrangements with GA to get the car
Casey fulfilled elements of crimes to be arrested
They focused on finding the missing child, it was a kidnapping by a known person, originally date of kidnapping was stated to be June 9th
4:26 – mention of Roy Kronk
4:28 – SIDEBAR # 13
4:30 – end of sidebar
Collected cellphone records of Roy Kronk for June – Dec 2008
Duct tape at Suburban Drive, saw it on posters in video of GA, brand name Henkel on duct tape at home on gas cans, report of gas cans stolen, being shown gas can in evidence, YM says same can but there’s no duct tape, was it removed?
July 30, 2008 interviewed GA
Collected gas cans when? August 1st
Kronk’s cellphone records? Yes
Kronk’s computer? No – asking wouldn’t a wealth of info come from a person’s computer? (YM doesn’t mention if RK owned a computer)
Took statements from Kronk and coworkers
4:36:20 – LDB cross –
asking about Det/Dep Gerald White re: tips of Suburban Drive at dead end near school?
Remains were closer to Hopespring than the dead end
4:48:22 – LDB ends, JB has no more questions, witness excused, subject to recall
SIDEBAR # 14
4:49:43 – RECESS until 9AM Saturday, jury excused
4:50:51 – JB says Defense will rest on Wednesday or Thursday
State rebuttal should take 1 or 2 days
Closing arguments 1 or 2 days
JB saying Defense opposes state splitting closing arguments between attorneys, claiming they would have four closing arguments
I think one of the prosecutors said they wouldn’t split rebuttal argument.
Judge asks how to you figure? JB says if each attorney gets a say, that’s four
Judge says no. He says splitting closing between attorneys is okay but not rebuttal, only one gets to do rebuttal.
Judge citing Judge Ferrer (sp) re: closing argument parameters, can email it to attorneys, it’s very long, will tale about it Monday
JB crying about phone records of Kronk & Athonys not received from prosecution, major violation,
LDB says they gave defense all records.
Judge tells JB the state didn’t use the records in trial, it’s too late to be going after red herrings.
JA says Dr. Rodriquez will not be testifying, prohibited by Department of Defense, his job in jeopardy.
What can we tell jury?
CM saying we could have forced him to stay, hold him up in hotel, CM doesn’t want to say he “just withdrew” as a witness
JB (politely, using different words) accuses JA of lying
JA says his employers say Dr. Rodriguez on TV
JB threatening to write a motion on this situation
Judge says he wants Dr. Rodriguez’s captain to testify, not in person, defense said they didn’t want his job in jeopardy & someone could testify
Judge asking state to decide if any additional lesser charges against Casey for jury to consider when they are finally given the case to decide? Let him know so it can be written in his directions to the jury.
5:19:56 – RECESS until 9 AM Saturday, any issues be in court at 8:30 AM
Judge says there will be only one hour lunch on Saturday
(Please ignore my usual typos)
(Fifth, IF you can move this post and put it in it's proper Friday place to avoid confusion, please do so. Thanks.)
Note: I didn’t watch and take notes on Saturday, the 25th. Thank you, Fifth, for your notes of Saturday. Wow! Short day! Legal issue, uh-oh!