Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: # 5

[housemouse]

I just ment I couldnt understand the wheel....but I love this thread and all the information you all give.....

That is perfectly ok, ledwards! Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees, either. Astrology is as complex as life, and beware anyone who promises to make it simple.

We are all struggling to understand this horrific crime, and there is such a strong desire to make it simple, and find an answer. That is where we get thrown into the "briar bush", exactly where we do not want to go.

All we can do is look for the connections, and wonder about them. We are not Gods, and we have no crystal balls with a hotline to Him.

Just keep that in mind, and do not try to comprehend all the jargon. It is a kind of shorthand for those of us who study all this, but we have no more credibility, and probably much less, then the Forensic, Entymological, and Botanical experts who are studying the DNa, Bugs, Flora and Fauna at the crime site.

Also remember that the astrologers posting here are all amatuers. That means we love astrology, but that doesn't mean we have any special relationship to the truth.

We are studying an aspect of the world we live in, just as other specialists do. We like to consider the timing of things, but sometimes we get carried away with our little corner of the universe, and assume powers greater than we have earned.

So, use your own common sense, and take all of us with a grain of salt. We are using our research/expertise in an effort to understand this horrible crime, but we are only feeling one little part of the elephant, if you get the metaphor.

 

[Soulscape]

Approximately 9:30 am tomorrow morning 12/19/08, MOON hits 00:00 Libra/Aries Point illuminating what comes before the Public. What will that be? More information from LE regarding the Meter Reader's August 2008 tips? Or will that be the time the Public learns the perp has been presented with identification of the remains?

Chart:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/MoonHitsAriesPoint.gif

MERCURY plays two roles here. In the Meter Reader Revelation Chart discussed in my previous post, Gemini rises making MERCURY ruler of the news in that chart. In chart I am discussing now, we see MERCURY located in the 12th House, suggesting yesterday's news (MERCURY) may be placed on the back burner (12th House), possibly to make room for more pressing news.

What news?

Well, MOON at 00 Libra is posited in the 8th House of Death, as is traditional chart ruler SATURN, natural significator of death. MOON exactly opposes ARIES POINT (what comes before the public) and exactly squares PLUTO (death). CERES the mother is also in the 8th House of Death.

I said MERCURY plays two roles here. In addition to representing yesterday's news (MERCURY as chart ruler of Meter Reader Revelation chart), he represents the child, as Gemini ruled by MERCURY is on the cusp of the 5th House of Children. If you start counting beginning with the 5th House as House 1, 6th House as House 2, etc., you will see that MERCURY the child is located in the child's 8th House of Death (radix House 12).

In addition to the Aries Point, the 10th House of the chart also shows what comes before the public eye. In this chart we have 17 Scorpio on the 10th House cusp, the exact degree of Caylee's 4th House of End of Life.

Whether identification of the remains is announced tomorrow remains to be seen, but the chart certainly exhibits strong potential this may happen....

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[Tuba]

My faith in German the meter man has not been shaken. In Sparky's horary, ruler of H. 6 was in H. 1 sextile ruler of H. 4. Pisces was on that cusp, H. 4 cusp, and Moon was ruler of the dead and 7° away from entering H. 4. She too was in Pisces at 1:10. (Same old degree where lay Sun-Moon opposition at the February 2008 eclipse.) German in Sparky's chart has good aspects. As discussed earlier, Venus in Sag in H. 1 also represents Sparky herself.

 

[beckaroozie]

I just ment I couldnt understand the wheel....but I love this thread and all the information you all give.....

I can't read it either ledwards, so don't feel alone there. I rely on the wonderful very studied Astros here to give us their insight....and it is fascinating. I learn something here every day. This IS my favorite thread on WS.

 

[Salem]

Can we tell if AR was the deputy that "cleared the scene" on August 13th?

I ask because the spot was searched several times and "cleared." KC thought she was safe hence no acceptance of any plea deals and her words "this can't be happening now" when receiving the news of the find.

Obviously little Caylee was not ready to be found. I ask myself if this was because she (Caylee) wanted to be sure the plea bargaining period had passed?

Salem

 

[Tuba]

That is such a good question, Salem. None of us is comfortable with AR. During this review done by the dept., the name of the deputy should surface.

Some sleuths think they see her favorite picture book w. yellow covers at the scene. The mysterious Mercury with the body?

 

[housemouse]

Can we tell if AR was the deputy that "cleared the scene" on August 13th?

I ask because the spot was searched several times and "cleared." KC thought she was safe hence no acceptance of any plea deals and her words "this can't be happening now" when receiving the news of the find.

Obviously little Caylee was not ready to be found. I ask myself if this was because she (Caylee) wanted to be sure the plea bargaining period had passed?

Salem

Who knows, Salem. The Knower of All has his ways. It is our challenge to try to understand after the fact.

I am content to wait and see, for eventually we will know what LE thinks.

It would be nice if Casey confesses all, but I am not optimistic about that, and truly hope I am wrong. Sometimes we just have to be content with less than complete and total knowledge.

But, studying the charts is so very interesting. Particularly in this case, for they seem so clear.

 

[lonestar]

I hope it is okay to post this here..I seem to remember awhile back some here felt that something was left at the site near where caylee was left..
Out of all of the pictures released today one appears to be a book shown at link below on The Orlando Sentinel. The book appears at the bottom of photo and looks alot like the one she is reading in the Father's Day video...If you notice there seems to be a mysterious orb in them..there are not any showing up in any of the other 170 pictures

http://origin-www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-book-photo-gallery,0,5999866.photogallery

"One of the 171 crime scene photos released Thursday by the Orange County Sheriff's Office shows something that appears to be a book. The sheriff's office would not comment on the photo. Here's a photo of Caylee reading a book in a video shot June 15 -- shortly before she disappeared."

 

[ROBLYN]

That is perfectly ok, ledwards! Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees, either. Astrology is as complex as life, and beware anyone who promises to make it simple.

We are all struggling to understand this horrific crime, and there is such a strong desire to make it simple, and find an answer. That is where we get thrown into the "briar bush", exactly where we do not want to go.

All we can do is look for the connections, and wonder about them. We are not Gods, and we have no crystal balls with a hotline to Him.

Just keep that in mind, and do not try to comprehend all the jargon. It is a kind of shorthand for those of us who study all this, but we have no more credibility, and probably much less, then the Forensic, Entymological, and Botanical experts who are studying the DNa, Bugs, Flora and Fauna at the crime site.

Also remember that the astrologers posting here are all amatuers. That means we love astrology, but that doesn't mean we have any special relationship to the truth.

We are studying an aspect of the world we live in, just as other specialists do. We like to consider the timing of things, but sometimes we get carried away with our little corner of the universe, and assume powers greater than we have earned.

So, use your own common sense, and take all of us with a grain of salt. We are using our research/expertise in an effort to understand this horrible crime, but we are only feeling one little part of the elephant, if you get the metaphor.

OT/ Sorry for jumping in here, I am new to this thread, but fascinated. I just read your post and it was very eloquent. Thank you to everyone that is helping to try and make sense out of this horrible crime commited on to a beautiful child. Back to learning, Have a good night

 

[MeenaMom]

OT also Housemouse is very wise and very eloquent...when she posts it is thought provoking isn't it........

 

[Mysticj]

Can we tell if AR was the deputy that "cleared the scene" on August 13th?

I ask because the spot was searched several times and "cleared." KC thought she was safe hence no acceptance of any plea deals and her words "this can't be happening now" when receiving the news of the find.

Obviously little Caylee was not ready to be found. I ask myself if this was because she (Caylee) wanted to be sure the plea bargaining period had passed?

Salem

I don't think this spot was searched and cleared. The southend side of Sub. Dr was searched but this part was underwater and scheduled to be searched later. If I remember correctly.

 

[magic-cat]

Hi all. I do not think we should jump to any conclusions about the meter reader or about LE as we are not completely informed of all the evidence that is available. It has been suggested that he had called Crime Stoppers tips line and NOT 911 on those August 11, 12 and 13 dates, so it is possible that he WAS interested in the reward money or in my opinion he would have dialed 911 direct. That does not mean that there is anything "bad" about him, just that as an ordinary citizen he was lured by the large reward to call the "tips" line associated with that reward. I do not feel that LE dropped the ball here. You keep hearing everyone say that Fay did not rear her ugly head until late August, but the fact of the matter June and July were unseasonably wet in that area and the woods in question were already inundated with water by the time ANY searches began. Tim Miller has clearly stated publicly that they were IN this area searching and it was waist high water and that is exactly why he called off the search-to avoid destroying Caylee's remains if they WERE there, unseen beneath the murky waters. Obviously as the pattern of the bones is indicative of, these remains rose with the waters and then as the waters receded the remains were dispersed in a pattern that basically made a trail of bones. This area had just begun to become dried out about a week before this meter reader made his gruesome discovery, so he was obviously biding his time and waiting for just that event to occur so he could go and get a closer look than he could previously...and what he found there was what he feared initially that lead him to call that tip line on 3 different ocassions in August...little remains of a small child. Thank goodness he was devoted for whatever reason, whether it was for the reward or for his own cusriosity. His devotion has brought this angel home where she can be afforded the sanctity of a proper and respectful burial and will not be left to rot by the side of the road in a garbage bag like so much refuse. I tip my hat to the meter reader and thank him for finding this sweet girl and have complete faith that LE did not err whatsoever and that this is just more "spin" by the media spin-doctors to keep the interest of the public high.

 

[Lovejac]

Hi all. I do not think we should jump to any conclusions about the meter reader or about LE as we are not completely informed of all the evidence that is available. It has been suggested that he had called Crime Stoppers tips line and NOT 911 on those August 11, 12 and 13 dates, so it is possible that he WAS interested in the reward money or in my opinion he would have dialed 911 direct. That does not mean that there is anything "bad" about him, just that as an ordinary citizen he was lured by the large reward to call the "tips" line associated with that reward. I do not feel that LE dropped the ball here. You keep hearing everyone say that Fay did not rear her ugly head until late August, but the fact of the matter June and July were unseasonably wet in that area and the woods in question were already inundated with water by the time ANY searches began. Tim Miller has clearly stated publicly that they were IN this area searching and it was waist high water and that is exactly why he called off the search-to avoid destroying Caylee's remains if they WERE there, unseen beneath the murky waters. Obviously as the pattern of the bones is indicative of, these remains rose with the waters and then as the waters receded the remains were dispersed in a pattern that basically made a trail of bones. This area had just begun to become dried out about a week before this meter reader made his gruesome discovery, so he was obviously biding his time and waiting for just that event to occur so he could go and get a closer look than he could previously...and what he found there was what he feared initially that lead him to call that tip line on 3 different ocassions in August...little remains of a small child. Thank goodness he was devoted for whatever reason, whether it was for the reward or for his own cusriosity. His devotion has brought this angel home where she can be afforded the sanctity of a proper and respectful burial and will not be left to rot by the side of the road in a garbage bag like so much refuse. I tip my hat to the meter reader and thank him for finding this sweet girl and have complete faith that LE did not err whatsoever and that this is just more "spin" by the media spin-doctors to keep the interest of the public high.

Amen, MagicCat!!:clap: I will wait until LE finishes their investigation.

BTW, I personally DON'T care WHY the meter reader did what he did. I am just thankful he found our sweet Caylee!:blowkiss:

 

[Salem]

That is such a good question, Salem. None of us is comfortable with AR. During this review done by the dept., the name of the deputy should surface.

Some sleuths think they see her favorite picture book w. yellow covers at the scene. The mysterious Mercury with the body?

Does this have something to do with KC saying "she was telling me about her book" in the famous nonexistent phone call?

I have to go read the other posts now, but it was the first thing I thought of reading this.

Salem

 

[Salem]

Amen, MagicCat!!:clap: I will wait until LE finishes their investigation.

BTW, I personally DON'T care WHY the meter reader did what he did. I am just thankful he found our sweet Caylee!:blowkiss:

I agree and I applaud his persistence. For whatever reason, he stayed with Caylee until she was brought home, and that works for me.

Salem

 

[Anais]

The last post on page #14 is the date given for the visit.

Now, we truly need the birthdate and time of the Meter Reader to see what his connection might be.

Is he intuitive, who just picked up on the vibes there? It does happen, you know, particularly if he had some kind of link to the chart.

It is premature to speculate that he had an active connection to the case. Would he have called it in if he did? Not logical to me.

We do need to use common sense here. I would think he knows the area, what goes on around there, and may have concluded that it was a probable area for disposal. Maybe it bugged him enough to go back when the water had subsided. Maybe he smelled something that just didn't seem right to him, but not enough to be obvious.

We look to the charts for information. And, this is a very interesting development.

Housemouse thanks so much for making these excellent points. It is so needed at this time while the media and the scheme team will use this to attempt to wreak havoc and undermine the prosecution. I am hoping that this will only cause a small blip. I just have a feeling that this is a man as taken by Caylee's sweet disposition as we all have been and as you stated above just had that vibe or instinct. I for one am very grateful for his persistence! It is said that he has even taken time off of work to search for Caylee.

This is still my very favorite thread on WS! I try to read daily and have also been reading the links to the sites you'd given me earlier this fall. I am still recovering from my neurosurgery (7th in 3 years now) and I can read something 3-4-5 times and still not get it sometimes! Frustrating as all heck. I love the charts but don't really understand them very well.

So I shall remain an Amateur Astro Lurker! See you all have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!!

 

[Dolce171]

That is such a good question, Salem. None of us is comfortable with AR. During this review done by the dept., the name of the deputy should surface.

Some sleuths think they see her favorite picture book w. yellow covers at the scene. The mysterious Mercury with the body?

Does this have something to do with KC saying "she was telling me about her book" in the famous nonexistent phone call?

I have to go read the other posts now, but it was the first thing I thought of reading this.

Salem

Hmmmm .....

I am drawn to a few things ...

First thought - How many of us have "sleuthed" in the shadows? Some waiting months before ever leaving a post.... Here we have a gentle man who travels through this neighborhood on a monthly basis..somewhere around the 11th of the month. He is alerted to something that does not sit well with him..an odor or an aura of something gone wrong. Perhaps, a little girl that is crying out from beyond only wishing that someone would hear her cries. Maybe, just maybe he heard Caylee's gentle song. He was in tune..and it drew him to this spot on more than one ocassion. Maybe it restled him in his sleep and continually stirred within him. For whatever reason ... he came back and chose to step forward. THANK GOD!

Second thought - The book .... what stands out to me is "yellow" ... pure and simple the color yellow. I am reminded of the yellow flower that has been a constant reminder of our precious angel....could this somehow tie in to Caylee's favorite book?

 

[Salem]

Good thought Dolce! about the book.

Salem

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Hello, all. I wasn't going to participate in this thread after the unjustified disrespect I was shown....but for the sake of the astrologers here, I wanted to share this.

Orlando county clerk has more than one ZG. The date of birth listed for one is Jan. 11, 1986. Casting a chart for Orlando at sunrise puts her Moon at 4AQ, the same as Venus, trine Moon when the remains were found. I'm sure no one wants to hear there might be a connection to a real zanny but this possibility needs to be considered. The offenses for this person is only 2 traffic violations, May 24, 08 operating without a valid license and failing to yield on the same date. They were filed on June 2nd and 3rd, satisfied June 10 (close to June9). Have these dates come up in the transcripts at all? Her Sun at 20 Capricorn is just too close to where the asteroid Cayley was when the remains were found, to ignore. Caseyfreeman was at 4Aries51 on the 11th also, at the midpoint of Venus and Moon, partnering with Caylee's sunrise Moon.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/mycler...96-9c3b-4686-af15-b34814bcb38a&CaseID=5898199

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/mycler...96-9c3b-4686-af15-b34814bcb38a&CaseID=5898474

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/mycler...essionID=884ba996-9c3b-4686-af15-b34814bcb38a

Another ZG listed without a birth date could be the one in the news as she must be older, 12 cases going back quite far. This may also be the same as the one listed as being born in 1970.

Respectfully,
Connie

Thank you for your message, Connie.

We know there are many people named Zenaida Gonzalez/s, not only in Florida, but in several other states. Yes, there is a possibility that KC could have encountered one at some point. Most obvious is the one who visited Sawgrass Apts, the one with children of the same names given by KC. It could very well have been a cross-encounter with this woman, like two ships passing in the night, but in this case at Sawgrass. I think this is the woman who was born in or near 1970.

However, KC insisted her ZFG was younger, about 24. Could she also have encountered this other woman in passing at some point? Maybe read of her driving without a license in the newspaper? Or read of her other offense? In my area, police reports are published in the newspaper including driving offenses.

Could KC have used these two ZGs as a compilation into her mystery woman? Could she have known someone else with the same name? Someone named Zenaida with a differnet surname, and thought it a good name to go with Zanny? The possibilities are endless.

We do know KC spins the truth, her truth, and someone else's, and makes them her own. She kept saying Caylee was close, she just left out the part where she was the one who dumped her there. I'm still assuming KC was the dumper.

I've followed many cases in my lifetime but this one has the most twists and turns EVER.


Those above links don't work. You must go to the direct search link to search by name, case #, or citation #:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/mycler...essionID=f834ecb2-8a52-49f4-9dbd-e3136c11eb7c


Traffic Citations

Name - DOB - Case # - Filing Date
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 01/11/1986 08-CT-0002378-W 06/03/2008
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 01/11/1986 08-TR-0028407-W 06/02/2008
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 09/02/1957 06-TR-0113612-O 07/12/2006
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 09/02/1957 06-TR-0113613-O 07/12/2006
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 09/02/1957 05-TR-0000457-O 01/04/2005
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 09/02/1957 02-TR-0154204-O 10/30/2002


So two Zenaida's with Orange County cases are:

ZG born Jan 11, 1986
ZG born Sept 2, 1957

No cases for the spellings of Zanaida or Gonzales.



Civil Citations

Name Case # Filing Date
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 07-CC-0011661-O 07/30/2007 Eviction
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 05-SC-0000968-O 02/04/2005
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 04-CC-0017558-O 12/01/2004 Eviction
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 04-SC-0000372-O 01/13/2004 something involving bank
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 98-CA-0001374-O 02/16/1998 Notice of Sale (6 defendents)
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ 95-SC-0000278-E 09/15/1995

Most were dismissed before hearing.

No criminal cases for ZG.

No marriage license on record for any ZG.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Hmmmm .....

I am drawn to a few things ...

First thought - How many of us have "sleuthed" in the shadows? Some waiting months before ever leaving a post.... Here we have a gentle man who travels through this neighborhood on a monthly basis..somewhere around the 11th of the month. He is alerted to something that does not sit well with him..an odor or an aura of something gone wrong. Perhaps, a little girl that is crying out from beyond only wishing that someone would hear her cries. Maybe, just maybe he heard Caylee's gentle song. He was in tune..and it drew him to this spot on more than one ocassion. Maybe it restled him in his sleep and continually stirred within him. For whatever reason ... he came back and chose to step forward. THANK GOD!

Second thought - The book .... what stands out to me is "yellow" ... pure and simple the color yellow. I am reminded of the yellow flower that has been a constant reminder of our precious angel....could this somehow tie in to Caylee's favorite book?

My post brought over from the OCSO news conference thread:

Tonight on Nancy Grace, according to WKMG's Jessice D'Onofrio (sp?), the meter reader was working on the area in August, then was reassigned to another area, and is NOW working in that area again. That must be why he didn't search between August and Dec., and just last week took another look.

Also, according to JD of WKMG, a deputy did respond to the area on Aug 11th, after the call on the 12th, they searched the records and found someone reportedly went out the day before, so no one went again. On the 13th, a male deputy again went out and met with the meter reader, also a female deputy responded but WAS SHOOED AWAY by the first guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbI9BSXAKgU

(5:50 - 8:58)

I'd investigate the "shoo" cop before I'd knock the meter reader. Is shoo cop another of KC's conquests? Personally, I think the meter reader is totally innocent.


The rest of NG Dec. 18th info on Caylee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSOlg48FRiQ (somebody always has a spin ) Love how NG says the Defense (attorney) "whines......whines in court", which is exactly how he sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRuuHuxmLM


Yes, I also sleuthed in the background before making my initial post here. I think many of us did.

It's not unusual for someone to "feel" something is wrong and to just brush it off thinking "Oh, I'm just being silly" or "If this were true someone else would have said something". It happens all the time, our reasoning overtakes our instinct. Sad but true.

However, someone was persistent. Websleuths kept sleuthing even though at times it seemed in vain. The fact that the site was overlooked by many was probably because we were told it was already searched, it was so darned close to home, and we all gave KC too much credit thinking she really had the perfect burial location.

I believe the discovery was found when it was supposed to be found.