Forensic Astrology - Sandra Cantu

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oh also...grandpa went to work after he picked up sandra from school (not sure if you could read that in the chart)

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have you done anything on Slayter? I am curious
 

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The Container Removed Chart (4/6/09, 5:40 pm, Tracy, CA), see Tuba's drawing in above post, shows (among other positions) the following:

1. Midheaven of 24 Gemini.

2. SUN at 17 Aries.

3. JUPITER at 20 Aquarius.

4. ASCENDANT at 25 Gemini.

The 24 Gemini Midheaven is partile conjunct POI Frank W.'s natal MARS, while Lord 7 the perp JUPITER 20 Aquarius is close inconjunct Frank W.'s natal SUN 21 Cancer. Event chart PLUTO 03 Capricorn is close opposed Frank W.'s natal URANUS 02 Cancer.

These placements cast POI Frank W. in a suspicious light....



Regarding Preacherman, we still cannot verify his correct birth information. If I take the 8-6-41 DOB and relocate his chart to Tracy, CA, I see Event SUN 17 Aries partile conjunct Preacherman's natal MARS 17 Aries and Event ASCENDANT 25 Virgo partile conjunct Preacherman's natal NEPTUNE 25 Virgo and close conj. his nodal axis 23 Virgo/Pisces, with natal URANUS close conj. SOUTH NODE at 24 Pisces.

If this is the correct DOB, the placements cast Preacherman in a suspicious light...



If 8-30-31 is Preacherman's correct DOB, I see Event SUN 17 Aries close conj. Preacherman's natal URANUS 18 Aries partile opposed his natal MARS 18 Libra. Recall Sandra's natal VENUS is positioned at 17 Aries, and was severely afflicted by transits at the time of disappearance! Event chart SATURN Rx 16 Virgo is exact conjunct Preacherman's natal MERCURY Rx 16 Virgo and close opposed Event MARS 17 Pisces.

If this is the correct DOB, the placements still cast Preacherman in a suspicious light, perhaps even more so...

This analysis is not conclusive, particularly concerning Preacherman, since the birth data is unreliable. However, the connections are troubling and either one of these POIs could be the perp.

If I have time, I will look at D. Slayter and C. Sinclair later.


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Thanks for this - If you were to prioritize looking at Slayter and Sinclair would you entertain looking at Slayter first - that is if you are not going to do them at the same time? You work too hard as it is - forgive me for asking this.
 

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the 8-6-1941 DOB is that of the preachers wife.
One site I checked listed Preachers YOB 1931 and his wifes at 1941. Searching veromi by first name and dob only, they BOTH come up with a search of 8-6-1941. Clearly they are not both born on the same day, month year. His showing 1941 is a keying error somewhere.

The other site I found the year only, also listed the date they purchased their home and the homes value. It appears these were from mortgage docs somewhere- most likely a refi as the search engines appear to have full dob's when they are from original purchase mortgages and year only with refi's. Several other sites also confirmed the 1931 year including what was formerly reunion.com (found that via a search at ancestry)

hth. go with the 8-30-1931 for the preacher.

TY! You astro's are amazing! I don't understand it so much, but believe it! A little OT.....Also, for those who are a bit hesitant on the astro thing I was told many many years ago the story of Christ can be told through the stars. His entire life........ and it was many years later that belief was 'diluted'(can't think of the word) to keep Christs story from being told/learnt/shared etc.
 

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oh also...grandpa went to work after he picked up sandra from school (not sure if you could read that in the chart)

ps,
have you done anything on Slayter? I am curious


Slayter's natal chart also shows MERCURY at 16 Virgo...

I had to double-check, for a moment I thought I was still looking at Pastor CLL's chart.

Obviously, both men can't "own" the luggage, so it's curious to say the least that two of the four POIs may have the same MERCURY placement. Don't forget Pastor CLL's birth data is not reliable.


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To our experts:
Instead of suffication, could weapon be knife and Sandra sufficated in that manner?
 

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Slayter's natal chart also shows MERCURY at 16 Virgo...

I had to double-check, for a moment I thought I was still looking at Pastor CLL's chart.

Obviously, both men can't "own" the luggage, so it's curious to say the least that two of the four POIs may have the same MERCURY placement. Don't forget Pastor CLL's birth data is not reliable.


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Soulscape

Hmmm .... interesting .... true obviously both men cannot "own" the luggage ... but it would be possible that both men could have "owned" the luggage at different points in time. Hope I am making sense.
 

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There are several questions in my mind but the one that keeps coming to the top relates directly to where Sandra's body was found. It would seem reasonable that the perpertrator knew the area or had good reason to be in the area where her body was found - possibly work related. I have just gone back through every post on this thread and am going to reference Soulscape's post # 18 : (MARS in PISCES) MARS is a masculine, aggressive energy, typically signifying an adult male in the 25 - 45 age range. As an occupation, MARS could be metal worker/ iron worker/ athlete/ martial artist/ military/ ambulance driver/ butcher/ steel worker/ racer/ fighter (such as boxer) ... among other things.

Astros all: Is there anything you can see in the location of where Sandra was found that would further narrow down the occupation of the perpetrator? Do you see anything in relation to the location of where she was found which will provide the next clue - are there any signifiers that you can point out - can a chart be done for the location she was found? After reviewing all that is posted, this seems to me to be the next stepping point if possible.
Please forgive me if this makes no sense - I am in awe of what you do and at this point me thinks you can do just about anything.
 

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Hmmm .... interesting .... true obviously both men cannot "own" the luggage ... but it would be possible that both men could have "owned" the luggage at different points in time. Hope I am making sense.

or could both of the men be partners in crime?
 

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He's def 77. Copied from the first post in the SC subforum.

Former Salinas pastor questioned in Tracy girl's death

Pastor Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, was questioned for three hours while his home and church, Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy, were searched on Tuesday concerning the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu.

http://www.thecalifornian.com/articl...WS01/904080301
 

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There are several questions in my mind but the one that keeps coming to the top relates directly to where Sandra's body was found. It would seem reasonable that the perpertrator knew the area or had good reason to be in the area where her body was found - possibly work related. I have just gone back through every post on this thread and am going to reference Soulscape's post # 18 : (MARS in PISCES) MARS is a masculine, aggressive energy, typically signifying an adult male in the 25 - 45 age range. As an occupation, MARS could be metal worker/ iron worker/ athlete/ martial artist/ military/ ambulance driver/ butcher/ steel worker/ racer/ fighter (such as boxer) ... among other things.

Astros all: Is there anything you can see in the location of where Sandra was found that would further narrow down the occupation of the perpetrator? Do you see anything in relation to the location of where she was found which will provide the next clue - are there any signifiers that you can point out - can a chart be done for the location she was found? After reviewing all that is posted, this seems to me to be the next stepping point if possible.
Please forgive me if this makes no sense - I am in awe of what you do and at this point me thinks you can do just about anything.


Generally (but not always), the Lord of the 7th House signifies the perp. On the Container Found chart, Sagittarius is on the 7th House Cusp. On the Container Removed chart, Pisces is on the 7th House Cusp. Both Sagittarius and Pisces are ruled (traditionally) by JUPITER. In both these charts, JUPITER is posited at 20 Aquarius.

Sagittarius, Pisces, JUPITER (and NEPTUNE, modern ruler of Pisces) are associated with the priesthood/ clergy/ religious/ organized religion, etc. (among other things).

Sagittarius also is given to sportsmen, archers, hunters, professors, trappers, travelers, wanderers, salespeople (among other things).

Aquarius is associated with groups, assemblies, cliques, gangs, syndicates, organizations. It is also associated with deviations and abnormalities (including abnormal and/or deviant behaviors).

Aquarian occupations include mechanic, machinist, pervert, hobo, sociologist, pilot, uniformed worker, inventor, legislator, lighting specialist. Additionally, Aquarius is associated with people age 70-85.


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Hmmm .... interesting .... true obviously both men cannot "own" the luggage ... but it would be possible that both men could have "owned" the luggage at different points in time. Hope I am making sense.

It was reported on NG Show tonight that the luggage was "possibly" stolen just before it was being offered up in a rummage sale at the church. The reporter said that it was reported stolen the day Sandra went missing, but the LE officer stated to NG that they had no "reports" of stolen luggage.
 

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It was reported on NG Show tonight that the luggage was "possibly" stolen just before it was being offered up in a rummage sale at the church. The reporter said that it was reported stolen the day Sandra went missing, but the LE officer stated to NG that they had no "reports" of stolen luggage.

BUT - if it was, would it then mean it "shared" ownership? I think we would see a sign of a thief somewhere in the charts? Interesting.

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Generally (but not always), the Lord of the 7th House signifies the perp. On the Container Found chart, Sagittarius is on the 7th House Cusp. On the Container Removed chart, Pisces is on the 7th House Cusp. Both Sagittarius and Pisces are ruled (traditionally) by JUPITER. In both these charts, JUPITER is posited at 20 Aquarius.

Sagittarius, Pisces, JUPITER (and NEPTUNE, modern ruler of Pisces) are associated with the priesthood/ clergy/ religious/ organized religion, etc. (among other things).

Sagittarius also is given to sportsmen, archers, hunters, professors, trappers, travelers, wanderers, salespeople (among other things).

Aquarius is associated with groups, assemblies, cliques, gangs, syndicates, organizations. It is also associated with deviations and abnormalities (including abnormal and/or deviant behaviors).

Aquarian occupations include mechanic, machinist, pervert, hobo, sociologist, pilot, uniformed worker, inventor, legislator, lighting specialist. Additionally, Aquarius is associated with people age 70-85.


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Soulscape

Excellent - question asked - question answered. Once again, I heart you for taking time to do this. If I am interpreting this correctly, Jupiter positioned at 20 on both charts is very significant?
 

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Soulscape, Tuba...I'm wondering if a migrant worker could be classified as a "uniformed worker" or a "hobo"...and maybe the pastor was "used". Could it be possible that the church was used as a "mission" to sometimes feed the less fortunate? A few towns over from me is a vast array of farmland. Migrant workers are seasonal and do odd jobs inbetween their labor, such as roofing, siding, painting, etc. I see some of these same workers when I volunteer on holidays to feed the poor. As a child, my church used to have large rummage sales to make money for food & beverages to feed the poor...we had a rummage sale each season. I wonder if somebody could have become acquainted with this pastor/reverend through such a mission and if maybe they were familiar with Sandra b/c they lived close. Maybe it's a long shot, but had to ask...Thanks for all that you do. :blowkiss:
 

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Soulscape, Tuba...I'm wondering if a migrant worker could be classified as a "uniformed worker" or a "hobo"...and maybe the pastor was "used". Could it be possible that the church was used as a "mission" to sometimes feed the less fortunate? A few towns over from me is a vast array of farmland. Migrant workers are seasonal and do odd jobs inbetween their labor, such as roofing, siding, painting, etc. I see some of these same workers when I volunteer on holidays to feed the poor. As a child, my church used to have large rummage sales to make money for food & beverages to feed the poor...we had a rummage sale each season. I wonder if somebody could have become acquainted with this pastor/reverend through such a mission and if maybe they were familiar with Sandra b/c they lived close. Maybe it's a long shot, but had to ask...Thanks for all that you do. :blowkiss:

I've got the same thoughts. Not to mention prior to certain events such as rummage sales a church bulletin or announcement is often made seeking those who wish to volunteer for such and such event to call so and so for additional information. I get them ALL the time both through church and school as my son attends a parochial school.
 

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Calculating the part for taking a suspect into custody, we arrive at 16:40 Scorpio based on the removal of the case from the irrigation pond. That Part of Captivity & Imprisonment aspects the bum exactly, so the correct suspect will be the one apprehended. The sick bum is 16:53 Virgo, retrograde.

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Soulscape has already stated that Mercury in CLL's 1931 chart is 16 degrees Virgo, retrograde.

I revised the 1931 chart to include asteroids Proserpina, Persephone, Sappho, Eros, Clifford and Lane. Asteroid Sandra did not fit, it is located at 29Gemini51. This version is much more dramatic.

http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/...rrent=astro_2gw_197_clane_lawless19312528.gif

Edit:
Tuba first pointed out the degree and sign of the bum, and Soulscape reminded. ;)

Please see my post about the use of asteroids here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3576047&postcount=52
 

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Soulscape, Tuba...I'm wondering if a migrant worker could be classified as a "uniformed worker" or a "hobo"...and maybe the pastor was "used". Could it be possible that the church was used as a "mission" to sometimes feed the less fortunate? A few towns over from me is a vast array of farmland. Migrant workers are seasonal and do odd jobs inbetween their labor, such as roofing, siding, painting, etc. I see some of these same workers when I volunteer on holidays to feed the poor. As a child, my church used to have large rummage sales to make money for food & beverages to feed the poor...we had a rummage sale each season. I wonder if somebody could have become acquainted with this pastor/reverend through such a mission and if maybe they were familiar with Sandra b/c they lived close. Maybe it's a long shot, but had to ask...Thanks for all that you do. :blowkiss:
Why don't you bring this theory to the main forum? We have a forum now.
 

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Okay guys, I am really trying to learn astrology, I have pretty much got birthcharts done but I have a problem comparing event charts, but am working on it. Something came up tonight that really struck in me, and I can not figure it out on my own. Do you guys know about the Anniversary Trailer park killer? Quick run down, kidnaps girls from trailer parks and kills them it has always been in the month of August ever two years , he is believed to be responsible for the kidnappings of Shannon Paulk, Teresa Dean and Heaven Lashea Ross. AMW aired about this serial killer in 2005 and it seemed to have stopped, however now all of the sudden we had the kidnapping of Haleigh Cummings who's birthdate is in August from a Trailer park, another connection is in all these cases, construction sites or areas are some how involved, in Haleighs case three dogs hit on a construction dumpster and Ron Cummings worked for a bridge construction company. Now what I am wondering is what does the month of August have to do with anything, the trailer parks, construction?

Now why I may feel that this ties into Sandra Cantu, could it possably have been someone Ron worked with at the bridge building company, and after the high national plublicity decided to go completely cross country, the preacherman takes him in... A new guy in town and let him stay at his place or the church over the past month or so he developed a friendship with Sandra, so she knew him, he breaks his regular routine because he can resist the urge and kills Sandra, it would also explain the suitcase.

I know this is an astr thread but I really need to explain my point. Also today on HLN someone slipped up and said something about a possable serial killer.

So a few things I would like the astro's option on, what is the link between missing/murdered children and the month of August.
Secondly can charts be done for like Heaven Ross and compared with Sandra's or Haleighs and see if they are related to this serial killer, who possable could have changed his MO?

For a little back ground information on the related cases
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=40267 I know its a lot to ask but PLEASE!! :praying:
 

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Butterfly-

I'm VERY familiar with the Trailer Park killer theory; one of the little girls murdered, was named Shannon Paulk-- she was from Prattville Alabama. Prattville is where I reside.

I thought of that theory when Haleigh's abduction was first announced...

-Mish
 
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