Forensic examination of computers inside the mansion

[coastal]

The linchpin of Gore's entire findings rests on this purported phone call from JS. The phone call that does not show on Rebecca's phone records. The cellphone not having been "able" to be forensically examined because "software doesn't exist to do so". I am paraphrasing here.

Gore's press conference:

"CONCLUSIONS
- Rebecca received the news regarding Max's grave condition
- She made the decision to take her own life"

Gore states the phone call was the trigger for Rebecca making the decision to commit suicide. There was no apparent attempt to verify the phone call other than through JS's relaying that information. JS's statement of appreciation is posted on the official SDSO website. Yeah, I'll bet Jonah appreciated SDSO. What a crock.

Where's the NSA when you need them?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-we-don-t-have-domestic-spying-program_745680.html
>>>snip

"...POTUS said government surveillance is a "critical component to counterterrorism." But, he said, he knows that the surveillance programs have "raised a lot of questions for people."

"We don’t have a domestic spying program. What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terroritst attack...That information is useful..."

<<<snip

 

[Zoot]

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Problem is that when DINA went on her tv book tour she consistently said it wasn't until Friday that she knew Max wouldn't make it. Of course, she could've been intentionally putting Tuesday as far as away as possible but this is why Rady's Dr.Brad Peterson's deposition will be quite enlightening on many KEY aspects to this death case.

It will be interesting to see Maxie's medical records and when exactly Dina and Jonah were informed that his condition "turned to the worse". He was admitted on 7/11, with decorticate posturing and non reactive pupils, both signs of severe brain damage. He had ventriculostomy tube placed through his skull, to drain extra fluid and to decrease intracranial pressure that would further compress and damage the brain. The standard protocol is to repeat CT of the brain daily to monitor the progress and see if swelling is decreasing therefore increasing chances of survival. First 72 hours are critical for brain injury, this is a time when fluid continues to build up secondary to injury, worsening the outcome.
His AR notes brain herniation which is a sign of irreversible damage. - swollen brain protrudes through the skull opening. Maxie was pronounced dead on 7/15, at 23:58, which was confirmed on 7/16 again. Most likely, he was kept on life support until organ procurement occured.
So, at what point Maxie's condition "turned to the worse"? According to JS, it was on 7/12, next day after he was admitted to the hospital. Seeing how late in the day Maxie was pronounced dead, it is believable that Drs rounded that late on 7/12 and it is possible they had conversation with Jonah about Maxie's poor prognosis, hence Jonah late call to Rebecca.
It is not a small task to inform a family that they have to take off life support their 6 years old child because all future medical care for him is futile. I'm sure it is thoroughly documented in Drs progress notes, that family conference was held, at what time and who exactly was present.

 

[bourne]

Hi Serpico, I don't see a problem. I agree with Zoot. Dina was posturing the past two years in the media and in public to divert attention from her guilty self of committing the heinous crime of murdering Rebecca.

It's in Dina's best interest to consistently DENY when exactly she learned of Max's "dire" condition. The further the date from Rebecca's murder she claims she knew regarding Max's health status, the better off she is in terms of giving herself a non-motive.

I believe Max's medical records would positively indicate WHEN Dina and Jonah were informed of Max's irrecoverable state by medical doctors/specialists. That is why Dina has consistently refused and in fact declined to provide Max's medical records to the public, and only provided well-chosen snippets devoid of Dr. Peterson's statements and other relevant medical professionals timing of statements about Max's condition in her "expert report".

I would hazard to guess that Dina and Jonah were informed by doctors about Max's "dire" condition on Monday 07/11/2011 within hours after Max was admitted with irrecoverable braindeath and placed in an artificial coma as a desperate last measure by doctors, and at the very latest Tuesday after more confirmatory tests were made on Max.

 

[Zoot]

Hi Serpico, I don't see a problem. I agree with Zoot. Dina was posturing the past two years in the media and in public to divert attention from her guilty self of committing the heinous crime of murdering Rebecca.

It's in Dina's best interest to consistently DENY when exactly she learned of Max's "dire" condition. The further the date from Rebecca's murder she claims she knew regarding Max's health status, the better off she is in terms of giving herself a non-motive.

I believe Max's medical records would positively indicate WHEN Dina and Jonah were informed of Max's irrecoverable state by medical doctors/specialists. That is why Dina has consistently refused and in fact declined to provide Max's medical records to the public, and only provided well-chosen snippets devoid of Dr. Peterson's statements and other relevant medical professionals timing of statements about Max's condition in her "expert report".

I would hazard to guess that Dina and Jonah were informed by doctors about Max's "dire" condition on Monday 07/11/2011 within hours after Max was admitted with irrecoverable braindeath and placed in an artificial coma as a desperate last measure by doctors, and at the very latest Tuesday after more confirmatory tests were made on Max.

I am not so sure about artificial coma, he was admitted with traumatic brain injury and unresponsive, normally he would be monitored for the signs of brain function returning which artificial coma would suppress. However, an autopsy report mentions gastric content consistent with charcoal. Probably ER administered a dose of charcoal, suspecting overdose when they received preliminary results of his toxicology screen, positive for benzodiazepines. Preliminary results are often inaccurate, and confirmatory test was negative.

As far as Dr Peterson - I think he was trying to explain in lay man terms to Dina what is anoxic brain injury. He may use examples of the events that may possibly lead to brain oxygen deprivation and injury - drowning, suffocation, airway obstruction etc. Dina may have heard what she wanted to hear.

 

[bourne]

I am not so sure about artificial coma, he was admitted with traumatic brain injury and unresponsive, normally he would be monitored for the signs of brain function returning which artificial coma would suppress. However, an autopsy report mentions gastric content consistent with charcoal. Probably ER administered a dose of charcoal, suspecting overdose when they received preliminary results of his toxicology screen, positive for benzodiazepines. Preliminary results are often inaccurate, and confirmatory test was negative.

As far as Dr Peterson - I think he was trying to explain in lay man terms to Dina what is anoxic brain injury. He may use examples of the events that may possibly lead to brain oxygen deprivation and injury - drowning, suffocation, airway obstruction etc. Dina may have heard what she wanted to hear.

Hi Zoot, we had discussed this in another thread awhile back. I think K_Z would be able to explain this more fully but basically IIRC when there's braindeath from TBI (Traumatic brain injury -- physical trauma to brain), the doctors have to induce a coma by using drugs to try to decrease the brain swelling and help to salvage any brain function they can.

But again, K_Z would be better able to elucidate you on this.

 

[LoveAlways7]

The linchpin of Gore's entire findings rests on this purported phone call from JS. The phone call that does not show on Rebecca's phone records. The cellphone not having been "able" to be forensically examined because "software doesn't exist to do so". I am paraphrasing here.

Gore's press conference:

"CONCLUSIONS
- Rebecca received the news regarding Max's grave condition
- She made the decision to take her own life"

Gore states the phone call was the trigger for Rebecca making the decision to commit suicide. There was no apparent attempt to verify the phone call other than through JS's relaying that information. JS's statement of appreciation is posted on the official SDSO website. Yeah, I'll bet Jonah appreciated SDSO. What a crock.

What's truly puzzling, is that it would be easy to prove whether Rebecca's boyfriend called her, by using his own phone and/or records, which would have recorded his outgoing call.

I wonder did Ann Rule get to see THAT in the records. Apparently not, or she would have not referred to times as "possible."

If the SO is statistically usually the killer, then that should have been a priority. No search warrant to confirm this cockamamie story? nice.

 

[DeDee]

DeDee - Do you happen to know what computer evidence was included in the investigative file SDSO gave to the Zahau family? It is a fact that Rebecca's computers, cameras and cellphone have not been returned to her family. This left the Zahau's with only one option, to sue the county of San Diego to release Rebecca's property. They are still in the possession of SDSO. I wonder if the Zahau attorneys were even able to access Rebecca's computers or if they were just handed a cached memory report?

Lash, I am unaware of who possesses Rebecca's personal property including her cell ph. According to Zahau attorneys, they were given, by SDSO, two large investigative file boxes with thousands of pages of reports from LE, medical personnel, witness statements, phone records, etc.

time, my responses are in orchid.

DeDee:

I also don't recall any of this that you claimed in you previous post

• anyone but Dina talking about headlocks practiced on Max, I especially don't recall anyone claiming this was nefarious on Rebecca part (other than Dina)
  
  

  Correct. Dina is the one attributed to disclosing the headlocks.

• anyone being sent back on a plane to Indiana
  
  

  Correction: Not Indiana. XZ went back to Missouri.

• anyone claiming that during the Tues dinner with Jonah that "Rebecca tried explaining how little Max's terrible fall could have occurred. Otherwise, she was quiet throughout the meal."
  
  

  http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html
  
  "Later that day, Rebecca made several airport runs, fetching Dina’s sister, putting Xena on a plane home, and picking up Shacknai’s brother, Adam, a tugboat captain in Memphis, who’d flown in when he learned of Max’s accident. At dinner that evening with Adam and Jonah, Zahau was extremely quiet; she tried to explain what happened, but said little else."

• Jonah ever referring to Rebecca as his "Asian Princess" (and boy, does this smack of someone who might just plant a movie like 'The Housemaid', bold it in a post, and continually keep referring to it as supporting the Rebecca/*advertiser censored*/bondage/suicide meme)
  
  

  From pg 3 of the same dailybeast article: "Jonah Shacknai told friends he was dating an Asian princess..."
  
  RZ also informed Dina at their introduction that she was a Burmese Princess.
  

• anyone calling Dina and telling her that there were "nine or more lines and tubes going in and out of" Max's body.
  
  

  
  Good grief. No one had to tell DS that her son was in a medically induced coma. Between the AR and this photo, I counted the lines, tubes and catheters that she could plainly see when sitting at his bedside.
  
  warning: graphic photo of Maxie while in ICU
  
  http://www.maxshacknai.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Maxie1.jpg

"The mother of this child could not work for a year."

http://arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/the-az-insider/4218-az-insider-dina-shacknai-breaks-silence.html

"Today as Dina Shacknai walks through her home into the meditation room she created in her son’s memory, she is finally breaking her silence. It’s been one year since the tragic death of Max Shacknai, the six year old son of the divorced couple, Dina and Jonah Shacknai."

Funny how busy Dina seemed in the year after Max's death for not being able to work and then there is that pesky question of whether she was had a little encouragement to quit at Melmed.

And, your entire premise breaks down, seemingly, if the *advertiser censored* was not accessed after Rebecca and Adam came back from dinner. Could be why you chose the convenient time of 8:30 pm.

Dina was bearing impossible grief over her son, little 6yo Maxie's, death. She managed to form a foundation in his honor that was a sincere labor of love.

The reference for the 8:30 time frame on the internet searches may have been in clues given by the sheriff. A search for the reference will remain an option since the *advertiser censored* type internet searches are not integral to my theory. In my hypothesis, RZ already possessed knowledge of bondage so there was little need for the searches unless she was seeking encouragement, confirmation or something similar.

imo & moo

 

[SweetT]

I actually think there's another plausible reason for the *advertiser censored* on the computer.. I think it's very possible that Rebecca suspected jonah of maybe having another girl friend.. Since he was not coming home at night etc.. So she pulls up Internet history looking for answers and finds *advertiser censored*. Perhaps this is the thing that puts her over the edge and causes a heated argument with jonah or something like that

 

[defense101]

DeDee I have vision problems and your purple text makes it extra hard to read.

 

[Betty P]

Since RZ's computer hasn't been returned to the family nor made available for independent investigation, it's possible there was never any search for *advertiser censored*. Has SDSO ever provided any verifiable proof this search happened?

 

[Seattle1]

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I'd like to get CLEAR in my mind when JS actually called/left message. I recall reading it was 12:25 am or 12:30am but Ann Rule's book on page 197 indicates it may have been 11:48pm Tuesday night which is quite interesting.

The neighbor lady 2 doors down hears SCREAMS and HELP - HELP from Spreckels mansion direction at 11:40 pm and then silence.....8 minutes later Jonah's call
is unanswered by Rebecca. Hmm...

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After still reading multiple entries about non-existent record of JS alleged voice-mail to RZ, I thought to share my personal experience with certain calls not leaving a trail: I recall that during the time of this terrible tragedy, my phone had an option where I could listen to my messages, and also "reply" to a voice-mail (in addition to skip, save, delete) without ever dialing the caller. For lack of better description - I'll call it "voice-mail to voice-mail" feature where no minutes charged, call not identified or otherwise itemized in billing/call records. When I first started receiving voice-mails for presumed "missed calls," I'd return the call believing I didn't hear my phone ring and only later learned about feature. I'm pretty sure the feature limited to callers using the same carrier (or sharing plan), but don't remember if using AT&T or Verizon. (I no longer have this feature on my current phone). MOO.

 

[*Lash*]

I actually think there's another plausible reason for the *advertiser censored* on the computer.. I think it's very possible that Rebecca suspected jonah of maybe having another girl friend.. Since he was not coming home at night etc.. So she pulls up Internet history looking for answers and finds *advertiser censored*. Perhaps this is the thing that puts her over the edge and causes a heated argument with jonah or something like that

Hi SweetT!

With all due respect. I'm sure Rebecca understood why Jonah chose to stay close to his critically injured child. I highly doubt she was questioning an affair during this tragic time.

A search of someone's Internet history is not the same. Someone performed an actual Internet search of these key words. Basically, on Tuesday, someone googled the words "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime".

 

[TorisMom003]

Hi SweetT!

With all due respect. I'm sure Rebecca understood why Jonah chose to stay close to his critically injured child. I highly doubt she was questioning an affair during this tragic time.

A search of someone's Internet history is not the same. Someone performed an actual Internet search of these key words. Basically, on Tuesday, someone googled the words "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime".

Allegedly those words were found Googled on the computer. I just find it very odd that this information, like so many other things, was given to the family and public as fact without any supporting proof of it. It's very easy for someone to claim something to be truthful that is really a lie when they refuse to hand over proof of their claims.

MOO

ETA: I also find it very disturbing that Jonah did nothing to protect Rebecca from anyone that may blame her for Max's accident. It seems to me that Jonah of all people would know just how violent and ticked off a certain individual could/would be when their child was gravely injured while in the care of someone (Rebecca) that the certain individual already couldn't stand.

 

[justice be served]

Allegedly those words were found Googled on the computer. I just find it very odd that this information, like so many other things, was given to the family and public as fact without any supporting proof of it. It's very easy for someone to claim something to be truthful that is really a lie when they refuse to hand over proof of their claims.

MOO

ETA: I also find it very disturbing that Jonah did nothing to protect Rebecca from anyone that may blame her for Max's accident. It seems to me that Jonah of all people would know just how violent and ticked off a certain individual could/would be when their child was gravely injured while in the care of someone (Rebecca) that the certain individual already couldn't stand.

BBM. Yes, no kidding. Not only did JS apparently do nothing to protect Rebecca but he also lent his car to Nina.

Now whether or not JS knew that Nina wanted to go to the house to see Rebecca is not proven - though that is what she did and he certainly didn't stop her. It still begs the question that if Dina was at the hospital and Dina's car was available - then why did Nina have to borrow JS' car? This is beyond suspicious.

I could deduce that JS was complicit in the murder though he's smart enough to keep his nose clean and removed from the crime. Reputation voiced from others brings me to this conclusion.

 

[SweetT]

Hi SweetT!

With all due respect. I'm sure Rebecca understood why Jonah chose to stay close to his critically injured child. I highly doubt she was questioning an affair during this tragic time.

A search of someone's Internet history is not the same. Someone performed an actual Internet search of these key words. Basically, on Tuesday, someone googled the words "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime".

I also am sure Rebecca understood why Jonah would want to be close to his son. I guess I recalled that Jonah actually stayed at a hotel one night and that the hotel was not any closer to his son than being at home would have been. I also know that there appeared to be a lack of communication between he and Rebecca regarding the severity of Max's injuries. Which led me to believe there was a definite rift between them
Thanks for the clarification on the internet searches.

 

[bourne]

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After still reading multiple entries about non-existent record of JS alleged voice-mail to RZ, I thought to share my personal experience with certain calls not leaving a trail: I recall that during the time of this terrible tragedy, my phone had an option where I could listen to my messages, and also "reply" to a voice-mail (in addition to skip, save, delete) without ever dialing the caller. For lack of better description - I'll call it "voice-mail to voice-mail" feature where no minutes charged, call not identified or otherwise itemized in billing/call records. When I first started receiving voice-mails for presumed "missed calls," I'd return the call believing I didn't hear my phone ring and only later learned about feature. I'm pretty sure the feature limited to callers using the same carrier (or sharing plan), but don't remember if using AT&T or Verizon. (I no longer have this feature on my current phone). MOO.

Welcome to the Zahau case, Seattle1!

Thanks for this info. I am aware of features in many phones/services wherein you can disable Voicemail (VM) notifications on the phone itself. However, I find it hard to believe that a service provider would allow you to do "VM to VM" without having the service provider actually connect the calls and thus, tracking the VM call in the phone bill.

I understand about not charging in-plan customers a fee because both customers are considered "in-house" for using the same service provider such as Verizon to Verizon callers or AT&T to AT&T customers, but I believe the actual records of the VM/calls made would still be automatically logged by the service provider.

This is why it is odd that Rebecca's phone records indicated NO calls from Jonah on Tues ~11:30pm on 7/12/2011 or for that matter, strangely, no calls from Jonah to Rebecca anytime thereafter, not even when Adam *texted* Jonah on Wed 7am 7/13/2011 that Rebecca "had hung herself"...

As is, we have only Jonah's word that he made the phone call/VM on Tues around midnight, and of course, if the VM was actually made by Jonah, then SDLE should have Jonah's phone records to prove that. Unfortunately, SDLE has, once again, provided NO PROOF to their so-called "scientific", "iron-clad" conclusions about events such as this "suicide trigger" voicemail from Jonah to Rebecca by showing us Jonah's actual phone record for that specific date/time, or Dina's "solid alibi" at the hospital sitting vigil to her one and only son by showing us the hospital surveillance video. However, SDLE has chosen not to do so. One can only infer from this that either SDLE has no such physical evidence in their possession or they're going out of their way to frustrate the Zahaus and the public.

 

[bourne]

Allegedly those words were found Googled on the computer. I just find it very odd that this information, like so many other things, was given to the family and public as fact without any supporting proof of it. It's very easy for someone to claim something to be truthful that is really a lie when they refuse to hand over proof of their claims.

MOO

ETA: I also find it very disturbing that Jonah did nothing to protect Rebecca from anyone that may blame her for Max's accident. It seems to me that Jonah of all people would know just how violent and ticked off a certain individual could/would be when their child was gravely injured while in the care of someone (Rebecca) that the certain individual already couldn't stand.

BBM. I agree. And the fact that according to Ann Rule's book, Jonah put the focus of suspicion immediately on Rebecca's ex-hubby makes me MORE suspicious as to his potential involvement in Rebecca's murder and cover-up. From domestic violence reports, Jonah *knew* about Dina's violent, volatile temper and physical assaults. So why he chose to keep that a secret from LE is beyond comprehension -- except for the fact that Dina likely has something $financially big hanging over Jonah that Jonah cannot allow to be disclosed to authorities.

 

[Inparadise]

BBM. I agree. And the fact that according to Ann Rule's book, Jonah put the focus of suspicion immediately on Rebecca's ex-hubby makes me MORE suspicious as to his potential involvement in Rebecca's murder and cover-up. From domestic violence reports, Jonah *knew* about Dina's violent, volatile temper and physical assaults. So why he chose to keep that a secret from LE is beyond comprehension -- except for the fact that Dina likely has something $financially big hanging over Jonah that Jonah cannot allow to be disclosed to authorities.

Dina wasn't the only one with violent tendencies.....JS has them himself.

 

[IQuestion]

I was looking at pics of RZ to see if I could spot the subtle changes women go through as they have cosmetic enhancements. ie Permanent Make-up, Botox, lip fillers etc. I guess I was trying to see if RZ made any "noticeable changes" as her relationship progressed with JS.
I had a friend who became hooked on cosmetic procedures..."bottom lift", Botox galore, lip plumping, eyes (top & bottom), permanent make up, breast lift and implant....she was so addicted to cosmetic procedures, after maxing out all her credit cards, she started going to every plastic surgeon's office/medi-spa and entering all their drawings for free stuff. (Just setting up the motivation/reason for my current searches--because I know I do not fully explain things at times.:blushing
See these photos!! (RZ in blue dress with yellow flower in background)
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=rebe...176&start=12&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0,i:136
and the same photo of RZ with yellow flower in background but somebody removed the dress.....http://www.google.com/imgres?q=rebe...dsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0,i:142&tx=84&ty=74IS THIS A MISTAKE? Are people allowed to alter photos of RZ? Is someone intentionally doing this?

 

[screecher]

Wow! Great catch. WTH would do that? Someone who is very obsessed with Rebecca. I have no words.