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I had always believed in their innocence, then I decided to start watching the Paradise Lost trilogy again this weekend just gone, just out of curiosity as it’s been years since I saw it last. Had a read through a couple of threads on here and ended up reading the callahan.
I didn’t realise how little I knew about DE especially! I haven’t read too much into JM and JB yet but I’m reading exhibit 500 (DE’s medical records) and I can’t believe what I’m reading! DE was extremely dangerous, there were multiple warnings that he may harm others, he admitted to worshipping the devil (something he vehemently denied in PL) sucking blood, satanic worship, having violent tendencies, and even described as ‘psychotic’, homicidal, having expressed a ‘desire to harm others’
I don’t know why I was stupid enough to believe the documentary all these years, along with the general consensus being that they were innocent, (after all I know there’s a lot more to Steven Avery than what MAM portrayed) I just always thought the prosecutions theory was so outrageous, the Satanic worship part especially. How defenders have always said ‘these kids just wore black and liked Metallica’. Exhibit 500 is a HUGE eye opener. Now physical evidence wise, I don’t think there was much atall, I’ve skimmed over trial transcripts (haven’t had a deep dive into those just yet) and apart from JM’s confession I can’t see anything linking them to the crime.
BUT, DE was a very disturbed and dangerous kid, these psych reports are all from mid to late 1992, so I doubt much would have changed between then and may 1993 when the boys were murdered, I’m pretty sure he would have only got worse! I always always assumed that he was just an awkward kid, but reading these reports it’s glaringly obvious. In his own words he writes ‘I am a sociopath’. He threatened to ‘slash his parents throats and eat them alive’! He goes from denying worshipping the devil in June 1992 to openly and readily admitting it in sept 1992 at his second hospitalisation.
I haven’t read the entire callahan yet as the 500 pages have taken me nearly 12 hours to get through and I only started my deep dive a couple of days ago. But, as coerced, conflicting and crazy as JM’s confession(s) sounded, I am starting to think there may have been some truth in them. I’ve always thought out the 3 that in Paradise Lost, JB looked the most shifty of them all, but I always put it down to him being a nervous kid. Now I’m not so sure.
Watching the 3 documentaries through different eyes now and I’m noticing some real troubling words, actions, behaviours, body language from all 3.
There is a scene where DE and JB are discussing their arrest, they are laughing and joking when describing hiding from LE, both of them think it’s one huge joke.
Something that caught my attention is that the boys were all hog tied with their own shoelaces, IMO removing the shoelaces from their shoes would have taken time and requires more than one person present. Who would have been restraining the boys while someone took the laces from their shoes? It’s not a 2 second job to remove laces from 3 pairs of shoes, if only one person committed these murders then there was a high likelihood that one or more boys could have ran while this perp was doing this. Another thing, who was holding the other 2 boys while the perp tied the hands and feet of the first to be tied up?
I’m wondering, if DE’s ‘blood brother’ as he refers to him as to multiple mental health/social workers, is JB?
He describes his ‘blood brother’ as having blonde hair, and says words to the effect of that his ‘blood brother’ would die for him. A lightbulb went off when I read that. If this ‘blood brother’ would DIE for him, then he would almost certainly KILL for him?
Sorry for the long post and if this stuff has been discussed before, but I’m just listing some of the things I’ve learned so far that have me thinking that DE is guilty. Even though I know PL is completely twisted for the defense I’m still watching all 3 again just to try and spot any inconsistencies or unusual behaviours.
However, I do not think that there was ever enough evidence for a conviction, I’m just not seeing anything to put them directly at the scene when boys were killed.
All MOO
I didn’t realise how little I knew about DE especially! I haven’t read too much into JM and JB yet but I’m reading exhibit 500 (DE’s medical records) and I can’t believe what I’m reading! DE was extremely dangerous, there were multiple warnings that he may harm others, he admitted to worshipping the devil (something he vehemently denied in PL) sucking blood, satanic worship, having violent tendencies, and even described as ‘psychotic’, homicidal, having expressed a ‘desire to harm others’
I don’t know why I was stupid enough to believe the documentary all these years, along with the general consensus being that they were innocent, (after all I know there’s a lot more to Steven Avery than what MAM portrayed) I just always thought the prosecutions theory was so outrageous, the Satanic worship part especially. How defenders have always said ‘these kids just wore black and liked Metallica’. Exhibit 500 is a HUGE eye opener. Now physical evidence wise, I don’t think there was much atall, I’ve skimmed over trial transcripts (haven’t had a deep dive into those just yet) and apart from JM’s confession I can’t see anything linking them to the crime.
BUT, DE was a very disturbed and dangerous kid, these psych reports are all from mid to late 1992, so I doubt much would have changed between then and may 1993 when the boys were murdered, I’m pretty sure he would have only got worse! I always always assumed that he was just an awkward kid, but reading these reports it’s glaringly obvious. In his own words he writes ‘I am a sociopath’. He threatened to ‘slash his parents throats and eat them alive’! He goes from denying worshipping the devil in June 1992 to openly and readily admitting it in sept 1992 at his second hospitalisation.
I haven’t read the entire callahan yet as the 500 pages have taken me nearly 12 hours to get through and I only started my deep dive a couple of days ago. But, as coerced, conflicting and crazy as JM’s confession(s) sounded, I am starting to think there may have been some truth in them. I’ve always thought out the 3 that in Paradise Lost, JB looked the most shifty of them all, but I always put it down to him being a nervous kid. Now I’m not so sure.
Watching the 3 documentaries through different eyes now and I’m noticing some real troubling words, actions, behaviours, body language from all 3.
There is a scene where DE and JB are discussing their arrest, they are laughing and joking when describing hiding from LE, both of them think it’s one huge joke.
Something that caught my attention is that the boys were all hog tied with their own shoelaces, IMO removing the shoelaces from their shoes would have taken time and requires more than one person present. Who would have been restraining the boys while someone took the laces from their shoes? It’s not a 2 second job to remove laces from 3 pairs of shoes, if only one person committed these murders then there was a high likelihood that one or more boys could have ran while this perp was doing this. Another thing, who was holding the other 2 boys while the perp tied the hands and feet of the first to be tied up?
I’m wondering, if DE’s ‘blood brother’ as he refers to him as to multiple mental health/social workers, is JB?
He describes his ‘blood brother’ as having blonde hair, and says words to the effect of that his ‘blood brother’ would die for him. A lightbulb went off when I read that. If this ‘blood brother’ would DIE for him, then he would almost certainly KILL for him?
Sorry for the long post and if this stuff has been discussed before, but I’m just listing some of the things I’ve learned so far that have me thinking that DE is guilty. Even though I know PL is completely twisted for the defense I’m still watching all 3 again just to try and spot any inconsistencies or unusual behaviours.
However, I do not think that there was ever enough evidence for a conviction, I’m just not seeing anything to put them directly at the scene when boys were killed.
All MOO
