France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

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  1. FindHG

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    Secretary Kerry spoke briefly after short meeting with President Hollande, here to show solidarity re-affirming highest level of cooperation. Will take significant and concrete steps to work more closely together step up response against Daesh, will be 'hit at the core.' Daesh defeat-able. France will bounce back. [notes]

    Russian FSB offers 50 million dollar reward for ID of the perps of plane who downed the plane with an IED attack. No attribution to any group yet from any official source anywhere.

    http://www.france24.com/en/
     


  2. cottonweaver

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    New research has shown that a quarter of "jihadis' are recruited through familial connections ( brother, father etc) not through the internet as such

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/jihad-by-family-terrorism-relatives-isis-al-qaeda
     
  3. cottonweaver

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    And a huge $50m dollar reward for information on this attack

    "Russian news agency Interfax reports that the FSB is offering an enormous $50m reward for information that leads to the capture of those who planned the bomb attack."
     
  4. cottonweaver

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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ench-police-launch-fresh-raids-overnight-live

    If we need more eyes and ears on the ground , should we as a community all be more suspicious and questioning - naturally these attacks are rare and a lot of blameless people would end up being reported as suspicious and possibly be an outlet for racists but.............what do people think?
     
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    France Launches New Airstrikes on ISIS in Syria
    By AURELIEN BREEDEN and KIMIKO DE FREYTAS-TAMURANOV. 17, 2015

    "According to the ministry, the command center that was destroyed included “one of Daesh’s headquarters,” "
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    "The interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, told France Info radio that the police had conducted 128 raids overnight against terrorism suspects."
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    115,000 police officers and troops had been deployed across the country “to ensure the protection of the French.”


    http://www.franceinfo.fr/emission/l-interview-politique/2015-2016/bernard-cazeneuve-17-11-2015-07-46

    http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/actualites/chammal-nouveau-raid-contre-daech-a-raqqah

    Stories of those who died in the Paris attacks
    By KATE BRUMBACK, JENNIFER PELTZ and GOSIA WOZNIACKA
    Nov. 17, 2015 2:28 AM EST


    A car found in the 18 Arnd, according to AFP
    1 arrest in Toulouse who had pump shot gun, according to Le Monde
    http://www.france24.com/en/


    Screenshot 2015-11-17 at 5.17.36 AM - Edited (1).jpg

    http://www.lemonde.fr/


    French police in nationwide raids as planes bomb IS stronghold
    AFP
    49 minutes ag
     
  6. cottonweaver

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    News from Serbian border officials - Bizarre find, but shows how many fake passports with almost identical data are circulating . I must be missing something - how do 2 people carrying the same details/passport manage not to trigger some kind of alert at the second border control? (ie They have to travel through borders at Macedonia or Greece along the way, if they both arrived as refugees to Greece?)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...with-syrian-passport-matching-paris-attackers
     
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    Possibly. The burden of housing, feeding, relocating, and educating immigrants at a time when the job market is shrinking may not be one which the Japanese government sees as beneficial to the population as a whole. Or they have seen the negative results of allowing unlimited immigration, however well meaning the intentions.

    http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/japans-immigration-reluctance/
     
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    MSM links have been posted and then deleted for some reason. Pew research has announced 72% are men most of fighting age. All photos of large crowds clearly shows the vast majority are young men.
     
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    This may be exactly how ISIS is planning on infiltrating the U.S. with their sleeper cells.................and Obama refuses to see it or even entertain the idea. I think he needs a brain scan, I've seen seniors with both dementia and alzheimer's that have more common sense.
     
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    I don't understand the focus on passports. I thought they didn't have to have ANY paperwork showing national origin seeing as how they are refugees? I read passports and other identity papers primarily from citizens of various peaceful countries were littering the fields around the check points. They may be carrying a new smart phone to stay in contact with their families back home but due to the nature of war passports and paperwork are not required.

    As far as Greece is concerned.... I can see them shuffling the refugees through and OUT of the country as fast as possible. Why should they house/feed them? Germany invited them and caused the migration so perhaps they believe Germany can deal with the problem and the duplicate passports.
     
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    Statesrefusingrefugees11_17_15.jpg
    (In Red) Currently 26 states are refusing to admit Syrian refugees.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/11/16/9746456/map-syrian-refugees-governors


    As of this morning, there are a total of 26 U.S. States that have notified Washington that they refuse to accept any refugees. The vast majority of them are in the southern half of the country.

    I think it's safe to say that 26 number may turn into 36 by the end of the day.
     
  13. cottonweaver

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    Yes seems they don't have to have passports, but some do have purchase them clearly. Maybe be if you are a jihadist it confers some extra credibility to ensure you get through? ( ie there must be an advantage to the $2K spend on one.)

    As for Greece and speed of re-location - I was only suggesting that presumably a computerised system is used so that anyone with a passport or anyone who is given papers is logged into a database which is accessible to the next country of passage as they make their way through Europe. Therefore, it seems logical that the computer system would alert to the effect "This person has already entered twice from Syria" etc.

    As for refugees I am just as concerned as all of you on here, but I am also mindful that my government and the previous one- who I supported at the time- had some part to play in the de-stabilisation of this area.

    No one can, it seems can stop or has a willingness to stop the traffickers and boat owners of Turkey from setting sail across to Greece. Why is that?
    Yes wouldn't it be easy if a culturally appropriate country such as Turkey said - "Yes we will create some refugee cities" for the next few years so that all the refugees could camp there awaiting the resolution in Syria.....
    How long would they be camped there? IDK, I certainly don't have the answers.
     
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    Plus background checks (even if possible) are only a short term fix. Apparently many become radicalized AFTER being raised in a Western country.
     
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    It would seem logical if the EU actually CARED about screening the masses crossing their borders.

    Same thing happens in the US and our computers could catch it, folks enter illegally multiple times and nothing is done about it simply because the leaders do not WANT to do anything about it.
     
  16. cottonweaver

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    Yes, we have a massive problem, even if just set aside the refugee issue for a moment - "they" are already here

    How much are we all going to spend on this, considering it is still a small albeit terrible risk? I see in France this morning they are debating ID checks on trains - imagine the expense and delays on inter-city travel.

    What does p*** me off is my govt telling me it's all under control - whether it is national security/readiness for this sort of calamity, screening of refugees, the monitoring of our home-grown jihadi wannabes....
    Over here in UK we have only just faced up to the reality of the "Trojan Horse" plot whereby a very large number of schools were effectively taken over by hard line Islamicists preaching misogyny, homophobia and cultural intolerance.( It was hardly a surprise to me and many others.....but the State did not want to face this head on. )
    We have a huge problem in UK secondary schools, colleges and universities all hiding under the protection of free speech, tolerance etc.
     
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    No problem, Honey. I think only Turkey accommodates more Syrian refugees than Jordan. I am certain if there is anything you want to know that I can ask my friends questions or find out from them where to look.

    Sorry for being defensive but I have found some of the comments on this thread quite distressing. I am a Christian but I have had, and do have, friends who are of many different faiths and nationalities yet, the only ones who have ever done me any harm are those of my own.
     
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    Re Palestinian vs Syrian refugees in Jordan. I will ask my friends, who are Jordanian about this.
     
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    And I tell you..
    I would not run and leave my family behind so if that makes the Syrian men bad ok
     
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    http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic...ocial&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1447759470


    French investigators are questioning the possibility that there is a second terrorist at large


    However, investigators are questioning the possibility that a second man who participated in the attacks is on the run. According to numerous testimonies collected by the police, the Seat which carried the perpetrators of the attacks on the terraces of cafes of the 10th and 11th arrondissements had three passengers. Among them, the two brothers Brahim and Salah Abdeslam and thus, possibly, a third unidentified man. The vehicle was later located in Montreuil (Seine-Saint-Denis), Sunday. Three Kalashnikovs and chargers had been left inside.


    BBM
     
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