GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #1

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  1. pukasonqo2

    pukasonqo2 Active Member

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    they were orthodox jews and, as per religious laws, must be buried before sunset. same reason why they prefer not to have autopsies performed. i might be wrong but i think is similar for observant muslims
    and regarding "hinkometers" about the mother...there is no set way to how people grief. i hope no one here has or ever be in the position this woman is.
    hasta pronto antonio, donde estes, que descanses en paz
     


  2. manzana

    manzana Inactive

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    Bloods, crips, disciples, gangster disciples I use to live in Minneapolis which most people would not think really would have a gang problem but it did and was worse IMO. Here is why, it was close to Chicago, St Louis, Kansis City, East St Louis, Quad Cities and LA is not close but still gang members would travel to MPLS. It was like a new territory and there were so many rivals trying to stake their own territory. The fact that there were so many from different gangs seem to make them more ruthless.

    Here is a article about a police officer who was shot in the back while at a Pizza Shack..

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200209/25_hughesa_haaf/
     
  3. necco

    necco New Member

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    Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. The mother is a victim. Suspects are in custody.
     
  4. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Her little baby boy got shot in the face in broad daylight, over nothing. I am sure she couldn't care less about the defendant's attorneys needs. JMO
     
  5. necco

    necco New Member

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    Yes, I know that. I also know that LE can delay it if they need to do so. My point was that they were killed in a criminal incident and were buried the same day, so cremating the baby already doesn't surprise me, nor does it seem like it indicates anything other than the family wanting it taken care of ASAP so they can get away from the horror that neighborhood must be to them now.
     
  6. pukasonqo2

    pukasonqo2 Active Member

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    ^^
    i was just giving a reason why those bodies were realeased quickly. and i agree with you, is no surprise that the body could be released and cremated fast. it has been a traumatic event for all of those involved and if all investigations have been done there is no need to hold the body.
     
  7. necco

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    Heck, they released the kids' bodies in Newtown in the same period of time and that was a much more complicated investigation.
     
  8. Yoda

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    Awww. I know everyone reacts differently but ...

    " The boy ... was cremated, and West had them dispose of the ashes.

    “I couldn’t stand the thought of seeing him in a box,” West said. The last time she saw her son was when he was put in an ambulance."

    Didn't dad want the ashes?
    In this article it says he was so upset he was briefly arrested. He blames mom indirectly.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/anger-disbelief-grip-brunswick-after-toddlers-shoo/nW233/
     
  9. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    I find this so sad. I'm guessing if Dad wanted the stuffed animals he might have been interested in the ashes. :(
     
  10. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    Wow .. that's incredibly annoying.
     
  11. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like your gangs are the same as our bikies .. foot soldiers for the drug trade. And here is a kid idolising them and look what he does. I don't even have words.
     
  12. Gypsy Road

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    I had the same reaction when I read the article. So many things I don't understand!

    And it's sad that Mr. Santiago is blaming the mother, but is not "upset" with the boys who did this. How can he not be upset with those thugs?! How can he give them such an easy pass?

    Not seeing Antonio before he was cremated and packing up his things so quickly is not something I think I would be able to do. When I had to put my cat to sleep last summer I held onto him after the vet put him to sleep for a good half hour while I cried and prayed for him before the techs came in and whisked him off to be cremated. I didn't want to let him go. I would have laid there with him all day if I could have. May sound weird to some, but I was very attached to him. I know people process grief differently and that maybe this is Ms. West's way of coping. I feel so sorry for her, but yet I don't quite grasp some of the things I've seen and heard her say.

    This case is so sad. I can't stop thinking about it.
     
  13. UdbCrzy2

    UdbCrzy2 New Member

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    Yeah, you're right. They probably won't have a funeral with an open casket. Once the autopsy is complete then it's released to the funeral home.

    adding:

    I'm glad they have a witness to tell what actually happened.
     
  14. pukasonqo2

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    ^^
    none of us is privy to her feelings. all the info is coming from newspapers and interviews that,is all we know.whatever is going on her heart and her mind only she knows and only herself knows (or not) the reasons why she is doing what she is doing.
    remember that this woman had the horrible experience of seeing her baby shot in the face, we do not know the exact conditions of this child's face and seriously, i wouldn't want that to be the last thing i see when i close my eyes.
    her ways of coping might be odd to others but they are HER ways of coping
     
  15. Sonya610

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    Of course they don't hold the victim's body as evidence for years so the defense can have a few cracks at it for the trial (and maybe even for appeals).

    Quick cremation in a suspicious death where murder is suspected but not proven is one thing but in this case the cause of death was quite clear.

    I am glad the family is not seeking donations -- it shows they have dignity and aren't seeking to profit from this.
     
  16. Sonya610

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    Parts of this were linked too but worth repeating. The aunt of the younger suspect gave them rides and then called police. She is now receiving death threats. She said Elkins cut the ride short when she started asking questions and when he got out of the car she saw what looked like a gun under his clothes.

    Meanwhile Elkin's sister claims he was with her the whole time? They had a nice wholesome breakfast with eggs and grits and then he went to classes so he could get his GED??? LOL. That is so typical, "He's a good kid, he was turning his life around, he was working on his GED". If/when they prove his sister is lying I hope they lock her up too as an accessory.

    Also has a link to 4 of the 911 calls. Screaming in background, one caller says the shots sounded like a small caliber weapon, maybe a .32

    http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/19440438/data/1/-/drchuvz/-/Brunswick-911-call.mp3
     
  17. Trident

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    BBM - of course they never do lock them up, either as accessories, or for perjury. It seems our "justice" system thinks it's okay for family members to lie.
     
  18. pukasonqo2

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    it takes guts to do the right thing, especially in a culture were being a "snitch" can be seen as worst that shooting a baby.

    trying to understand the family of the alleged shooter. so far antonio's mother gets pilloried for not acting according to everyone's expectations but, so far, no many comments have been made regarding the families protecting and lying for their relatives.

    justice should be colour blind, if these kids shot this baby they should be judged as what they are: killers. irregardless of their skin colour or their victim's skin colour. and nope, i do not support the DP, not even in this case. but that is for another forum or discussion.

    the shooter had a choice, he effed up big time and who's fault it is but his alone? no one forced him to pull that trigger.
     
  19. Sonya610

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    Yes I noticed that too. People seem quick to criticize the mother over every little thing but not the families of these killers? Or those that are openly supporting the killers?

    Early on people were also quick to be "horrified" at the comments made following the news articles, so worried about how this could effect the alleged killers' community and how it could have a negative impact on the teens in that community, but yet again, but after the arrests when support is shown for these alleged baby killers, when death threats are made to PROTECT the alleged baby killers then those same folks don't say a peep about that at all.
     
  20. alwaysonmymind

    alwaysonmymind Well-Known Member

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    I don't the fault the Mom for wanting to leave ASAP.

    What's that saying,
    No witness, no crime.







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