GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #1

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    some links regarding GSR and the forensics of it.

    http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNGSR.html

    GSR could be present on the deceased and on the assailants clothing and may be identifiable even if the body is partly or totally decomposed. Clothing is a good medium for the preservation of GSR and it will remain there even if long periods of time have elapsed between the moment of shooting and the time of collection (Schwoeble and Exline, 2000) .

    [BBM I found this hopeful. I hope LE got the boys' clothes. Even if they had changed them, I doubt they had been laundered, so it is my hope they were not destroyed or dumped somewhere. If they were taken in one of the searches executed, good odds in there still being evidence on them]

    http://forensicarchaeology.org/archives/315

    IV. Gunshot Residue Deposition on the Firer
    Handguns
    During discharge, revolvers and pistols leak residues from parts of the gun near the firing hand. There are three sources of deposit:

    (1) Leakage from gaps in the firing mechanism. Revolvers have a small gap between the cylinder and the rear end of the barrel. Some gunshot residues are leaked from this gap and deposited on the firer during discharge.

    (2) Emission at ejection of the cartridge case. In semiautomatic pistols, as the bullet moves out of the barrel, another mechanism opens the breech and ejects the spent cartridge case. During this process, some gunshot residues are released and deposited on the firer.

    (3) Blowback from the muzzle cloud. The major portion of gunshot residues are emitted from the muzzle of the weapon and some of these residues may flash back and be deposited on the firer.

    Krishnan (49) concluded that pistols and revolvers deposit more residues on the firing hand compared to the non-firing hand, but this may not always be the case because the concentration and/or location of the residue depends on the shooting stance and grip used. Generally for this type of weapon, the larger the caliber, the larger is the likely amount of gunshot residue to be deposited on the hand. The gunshot residues on the firing hand are mostly deposited in the web area (34). This is the V-shaped part of the hand between the thumb and forefinger facing upward when the handgun is fired and is the area in closest contact to gases escaping along the side or back of the gun during discharge. Residues may also be deposited on the forearm or sleeves and the front of the chest from both revolvers and pistols (26,34). Other skin surfaces such as face and throat have also been reported to be useful sources of gunshot residues (35). Mere handling or loading of a firearm, as opposed to firing, is inferred from the detection of gunshot residues on the palm or inside of the hand (34).

    [very comprehensive link]

    http://www.wavesignal.com/forensics/GSR.html
     


  2. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    But he could still get LWOP just for being there. If you particiaptae in a felony and someone is killed, then it is on you, even if you never touched the weapon.
     
  3. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    So, the plot clots. If 14-yr. olds can be tried as adults in the state of Georgia, this may be one added reason why LE is trying so hard to determine whether the younger boy was the one who pulled the trigger.
     
  4. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    I know.
    I was answering a question about his role. Not his possible punishment.
     
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    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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  6. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    sorry o/t

    Hey 2door73chevy I had one, only mine was orange,350 4 speed. I do miss that car. No one ever beat me off the light. They just never expected a girl could drive like that. My saying was always expect the unexpected from the unsuspected. Gawd I could slam a mean 3rd gear. I can still smell that engine. ok done.
     
  7. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    that is how I recall mom's statements regarding the 14 year old's actions as well Kimberlyd125.

    She says he was sort of behind the older boy. She also described him as appearing very young, I can only assume his build is much smaller and slighter than the older teen based off that comment. She guestimated the younger boy as between 10 and 13.
     
  8. 2door73chevy

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    I love your screen name too, I've seen Cinderella a couple of times back in the day. ;)
     
  9. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Good point. I'm wondering what the boys are saying (if anything).
     
  10. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    I am not sure Luis' heritage or whether he is heterozygous matters to the case.

    the lack of physical resemblance has been noted. We aren't going to diagnose how that came to be in this thread given the parameters we are operating under so I would like to respectfully suggest we are probably better off just let that dog sleep.

    Simply MOO
     
  11. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    and Gypsy Road, apologies, I am pretty sure I have sometimes referred to you as Gypsy Rose a couple of times. What is it with me and hats today??
     
  12. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    Gypsy Road Well-Known Member

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    Interesting chart PIM!

    So it's 12 in Georgia. The 14 y/o CAN be charged as an adult if this chart is correct.
     
  14. Tuffy

    Tuffy Not really that tough...

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    http://www.beforeyouplea.com/ga
     
  15. Gypsy Road

    Gypsy Road Well-Known Member

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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    I am not disputing this information. Not sure what you think the significance is but as far as I am concerned it is not evidence that the attack was planned beforehand and that this mother and her baby were specifically targeted. You can threaten both random victims as an impulsive thing and targeted victims as part of a plan.
     
  17. Gypsy Road

    Gypsy Road Well-Known Member

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    Oh please! No need for an apology! I am not funny or get my panties in a wad about such things. No offense taken at all. Really! No worries!!

    Just don't call me a no good thief (haha) or I'll have to call you out on it!:blushing:
     
  18. Kimberlyd125

    Kimberlyd125 Softball is for everyone. Fast pitch is for athlet

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    That's is for ALL suspects. As in the norm. But I do believe there are exceptions.

    All suspects 17 and above are tried as adults. But some younger are.

    Am I making sense?
     
  19. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    Are there any other pictures of Antonio besides the one in the red shirt? He was such a beautiful baby, I'd love to see more pictures of him but have only seen the one.
     
  20. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    laws change from state to state and from year to year. We need the most recent accurate link to what the law says now in regards to charges as an adult for the 14 year old.

    http://www.usfca.edu/law/jlwop/resource_guide/

    Adult court has exclusive jx over trial of any child 13+ alleged to have committed murder, manslaughter, rape, aggravated sodomy, aggravated child molestation, aggravated sexual battery or armed robbery with a firearm. (Proposed legislation would limit child molestation jx to those offenses that involve child molestation that physically injures the child (2011 GA SB 224)).

    This guide was updated on November 28th, 2012

    ETA as an example there is this case http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-death-toddler-Sasha-Lamaya-Ray-Atlanta.html http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/parents-frustrated-teen-has-been-charged-adult-tod/nTCk2/
     
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