GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 July 2021 #2

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  1. arfvonarf

    arfvonarf Member

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    Thanks for highlighting the Map of Piedmont Park. Gives folks context who may not be familiar with area.

    As someone who walked it hundreds of times I just can’t put myself in the mindset that she would walk through the park at 11th/12th/Willys entrance then take the wider path parallel to Lake Clara or head up directly up the path that heads towards 10th.

    I’m still stuck on the idea that it was the PP sidewalk path parallel to 10th.

    I’m assuming they have other video clips from the school, or houses, that may have seen her walking. Just so confusing. As to the route she took. I’m really hoping the police at least know that via her phone or other video they’re not releasing.
     
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  2. Quell

    Quell Well-Known Member

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    @Countrarian
    Fox five has reported it as a total of 7 witnesses shown on surveillance video. Has the jogger who came forward confirmed that that was also him on 10th street, turning left into the park?
     
  3. LotusPawprint

    LotusPawprint Moderately-known member

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    I think the advice from their press conference still stands.. Don't go places alone particularly when its dark. Take other precautions like don't wear headphones. Etc
    While I am frustrated for many reasons, I am not in GA , so I can't say I know exactly how you're feeling, but I am not sure what more they can add specifically here... Until they either have their person or determine that this was targeted in some way, their message to the community is a continuation of earlier.

    Maybe that is what the community needs though, just a verbal reminder and reassurance every few days that yes,they are still working it as a priority and to stay vigilant. Maybe you can contact your council person or district representative, however it works there.
     
  4. Counttrarian

    Counttrarian Well-Known Member

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    Not trying to be pedantic but not sure what you mean.
    Are you saying that there is a possibility that the jogger in blue shirt with a white logo who is jogging near the 10th and Charles Allen entrance at @ 12:46:13am is not the same as the jogger with a blue shirt with white logo who exits from the Charles Allen entrance at 12:46:54am?
    Or the jogger shown in the subsequent released photos (from the Beltline) who have been identified as the same person above per the link I provided is not the same jogger?
    TIA

    Edit: This is a pretty good article if you want to see the video and photos released (excluding Beltline of jogger) as well Emma Clark (and father) interview.
    Atlanta Police release surveillance video of possible Piedmont Park murder witnesses
     
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  5. Aubie007

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    Thanks for that link. I was afraid I missed something about 2 separate joggers.

    I guess I’ll file the 7 witness thing under bad reporting…but it’s something to think about, maybe. I haven’t heard police asking for the unknown individual in the background of Emma’s 911 call to come forward…but he would round out the 7.
     
  6. AtlantaBourne

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    Yes...the jogger had to of seen something with the bright light on top of his head or hat...you can't see his face it's so bright. IMO Bowie was on or very close to the same driveway the runner was on. Why would you jog into the park for 20 seconds, turn completely around, then almost at a full run out of the park. I don't understand why he didn't call 911 & it took additional photos/videos of him to be released b4 he finally came forward. I believe he came up on that horrific scene within 15 minutes of the murders & 5 minutes of Emma arriving to the same spot.
     
  7. Quell

    Quell Well-Known Member

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    @countrarian
    There was video footage of a runner turning left at the Charles Allen Gate off of 10th. There was also video footage of a runner emerging from the park, exiting through the Charles Allen Gate onto 10th just under a minute after first runner is shown going in. There was much debate on previous thread #1 as to is this the same runner? Why run in and out so quickly? What did he do while there? Since that debate a runner has come forward claiming he didn't witness the murder (msm reporting). Now, tonight Fox 5 has cited 7 witnesses (in the videos specifically) and APD has so far spoken to 1.
     
  8. AtlantaBourne

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    I believe the killer, at some point, picked up a piece of a limb & used it to fend off Bowie as he attacked Katie. I think that is why LE removed the large limb from the park...to match it to what was used.
     
  9. Aubie007

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    Here’s my thing with the jogger…

    I don’t think we know for sure IF the dog was stabbed, and IF he was stabbed where was his wound? It’s possible the jogger ran in the park to use the bathroom at the nearest tree OR thought he saw a sleeping, unleashed pit bull in the middle of his jogging path (a joggers nightmare I would presume). Who knows what was going through his mind?
     
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    Re: the jogger going in the park and coming out (I think it was) 41 seconds later, IMO it was very possibly a bathroom trip, maybe not in the robot bathroom, which some thinks may be locked at that hour, but just in the bushes. Or maybe he started running into the park, had a thought that "This is kind of dark and I feel weird/unsafe," so decided to not do that after all and ran back out. I think all the images of the jogger are one and the same guy.

    I'm a bit shocked to hear none of the other witnesses/people on video have come forward. Perhaps like someone upthread mentioned, one or some might be houseless individuals. If that's the case, they may not have a way to check the news or see things online, so may have no idea they are wanted for questioning. But I would imagine the group of three people are not all houseless, so curious as to why none of them have come forward?
     
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    Also, can we address why the 3 individuals (2 females/1 male) exiting the park at 11:55pm is important to the investigation? That is nearly 20 min before Katie has even crossed the rainbow crosswalk.
     
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    Yes. I keep thinking about possibilities for why they aren't coming forward.

    1. They don't know they are pictured /that authorities want to speak w/ them. (Seems hard to believe but some people don't watch the news, use social media, pay attention to what's going on).

    2. They know they are pictured and either don't care or as you said are scared. I think it would do LE good to explicitly address this and that they are not going to pursue charges for any low level offenses that led these people to the park that night. Even if these witnesses didn't see anything helpful , it's important for LE to know that and move on. If a couple of guys met up for sex or someone was buying a little dope, not a big deal if they have something to add.
     
  13. AtlantaBourne

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    I think LE just wants to know if anyone bothered them or if they saw anything or anyone suspicious.
     
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    Residents and businesses nearby were asked to send in any video from 10:30 PM on. Maybe they want to talk to witnesses from 1030 on as well. But in that case you would think there would be more witnesses they are looking for.
     
  15. AtlantaBourne

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    I checked too. He is being held in the Fulton County jail & denied bond. He was on probation for another crime when he stabbed this 5 month pregnant woman in the back 4 times because she wouldn't talk to him. Her 3 yr old son was with her & was physically unharmed. He has an extensive criminal history going back to his teens.
     
  16. LotusPawprint

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    I actually just read this a couple of days ago and it was the first time I heard/saw 10:30 but I'm glad they are being liberal with the time frame. I hope the 10:30 time is knowm by locals who may have thought that was earlier than what authorities were looking for.
     
  17. Counttrarian

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    IMHO There should be very little to no debate, a runner with the same height and build is wearing a blue shirt with white logo and something that appears bright on his head, and is in same area in/out within a minute, at that time and place the odds of that not being the same person are astronomical.
    Here is some more info. as to the 6 potential witnesses (I explained why Fox may have said 7 in an earlier post):
    APD speaks with possible witnesses in deadly stabbing in Piedmont Park
    Hope this helps clarify.
     
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    rsbm. Rightly or wrongly, there's a lack of trust in APD for some (many) locals. Coming forward can seem risky when you don't believe you'll be treated justly.

    It also doesn't help when anonymous posters on local social media claim to be attorneys and say things like, "There's literally no personal benefit for a witness to speak to the police, and significant potential for downside."
     
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    This is what the Fulton County Medical Examiner released to the press today. I think I may have posted the screenshot without a comment. I apologize for the lack of 'techno saavy'.
     
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