GA - Man charged with child molestation after asking about girl's panties

Discussion in 'Crimes-Spotlight on Children' started by belimom, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I do think this man was up to no good, but I wonder how those charges can stick, kwim? :waitasec: (I guess the gun doesn't help...)

     
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  3. kgeaux

    kgeaux New Member

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    Oh, he was up to no good, that's certain. No man asks about a little girl's panties, especially not with a gun tucked into his clothing! I am grateful LE reacted by charging him with something, but they'll never get a conviction for molestation if he didn't touch the little girl!
     
  4. STEADFAST

    STEADFAST New Member

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    I definitely think he was at that park to molest a child, but it doesn't look like he succeeded, thanks to that mom calling LE. Maybe there is a lesser molestation-type charge in that state or city that makes it a crime to approach a child with intent to molest or something or even to go to a public place with intent? I don't know. Hard to prove, I would think.
     
  5. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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    I do not understand how they arrived at these charges. How is it child molestation if all he did was ask her a question? And seriously, it may be an inappropriate question, but I'm not even sure that there's a charge for that! He denies asking her, so did this mother just totally overreact? I would be more suspicious if the girl was 14 or even 9, but 2? Toddlers wear cute outfits all the time with matching bloomers that are meant to show. That could easily be what he meant, especially since many 2yos are still in diapers.

    Walking around with a loaded gun and making conversation with toddlers makes me more concerned about his health or living conditions than immediately making the jump to child molester.

    I talk to kids all the time, flirt with babies, and wave to little kids in cars. Good thing I'm a middle aged white woman so people generally think it's nice.


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  6. kgeaux

    kgeaux New Member

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    If I understood the article correctly, he did not even approach the little girl directly. He told her momma that the dress was cute, and did her panties match? That would freak me out if I was the momma, but I'm not sure that I would call LE over something like that......I'd probably argue with myself and tell myself "maybe he is slow" "maybe he has aspergers or some other condition that causes him to have poor social skills" etc.

    Thankfully this mother did not waste time arguing with herself! The gun in his pocket, and the fact that he was visiting a park so far from his home are convincing arguments, at least in my opinion, that this man needs to be thoroughly checked out!

    However, I don't see a conviction on these charges. I'm wondering if he was charged with a "high end" crime to give LE time to investigate the man's past and maybe search his computer, while insuring that the man is safely locked away from all children.
     
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    kgeaux New Member

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    sorry! somehow double posted....
     
  8. Filly

    Filly KICKING AND SHINING

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    How far is Stone Mountain Georgia from this Atlanta park? He told the police he traveled there because he was afraid to get mugged. Thus the loaded gun? Does he have a license to carry? I don't see he ever lived in Kennesaw home of every home owner has to own a gun.

    The child was on a swing. She's two. I'd assume the mother was pushing her on the swing. What full gronw man goes up and asks if the child's panties match the dress? Is he a stylist? A designer. grown men will tell little girls they look pretty in their dresses, but they don't go about asking after bloomers or underwear.

    Truthfully I probably wouldn't have called the cops but then again being in a large park at a playground alone with my toddler maybe I would if some old dude asked that. I say mom did the right thing. Not sure of the charges, but there's no overeacting to me. Not when a man is at a playground talking about kids panties.
     
  9. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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    A couple of things jump out at me here. First, Chastain is a huge park, very popular, busy with runners and walkers and sports even on the most grey, winter day. On Tuesday it was BEAUTIFUL!!! Like, crazy pollen count in February beautiful. If there weren't a hundred people within earshot I'd be shocked. So it isn't like some strange man walked up to a helpless young mom in a deserted parking lot.

    Second, Chastain isn't a terribly long car ride from Stone Mountain, but it isn't close by either. It is a destination for a lot of people. Like I said, big beautiful busy park. The area around Stone Mountain (not Stone Mountain Park, but the living areas) is kind of known for crime and gang activity, lots of low income housing, etc. I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to go for a walk there. If he has lived in ATL for a long time, he may have good memories of Chastain.

    I don't think it's crazy for her to have called the police. The man was definitely acting strangely, and he would have made me extra aware. I just think child molestation charges here are ludicrous and could have a lasting impact on this man, where he is able to live in the future, etc. over a question that may have just been phrased weird. For all we know, he didn't even say that. There is no mention of witnesses or other complaints, so this woman may have just freaked over a strange guy.
     
  10. LCoastMom

    LCoastMom JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE - STILL WAITING

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    If there were "a hundred people within earshot" I guess he'll have no trouble making his case. The baby (2 year old) who was raped at Sea World this week had hundreds of people within earshot too. It didn't save her from being abused (recorded even).

    I probably wouldn't have called, but I would have kicked myself for a week replaying the event in my head. I'm glad she did the right thing -
     
  11. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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    The baby raped at Sea World was left with that person by her mother. Hardly the same thing as a long haired, bearded stranger approaching this woman, who could have screamed her head off and had plenty of help at hand.

    Like I said, I don't blame her for calling. I just think child molestation charges are absurd unless there is a LOT more to this story.
     
  12. not_my_kids

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    Not that I don't appreciate the fact that the law seems to be cracking down on sex offenders, but I'd appreciate it a little more if they were actually going for sex offenders that have offended.

    Maybe they charged him, hoping they can get him to plead to a lesser charge like harassing or accosting a child, but let's be reasonable here. As creepy as it was, this guy did not commit a sex offense. Guilty of being a creep, yes, but he never actaully did anything. I appreciate the response in one way, because it means that people are paying attention, but on the other hand, this kind of thing runs the risk of lessening the title of "child molestation", and that's not really a title that needs to be cheapened. IMO.
     
  13. STEADFAST

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    It's a little confusing, since Georgia doesn't require a permit to own a handgun, but you do need one to carry. Do they mean he had a carry permit, I wonder? He wasn't charged with carrying the gun, but with carrying it while committing a felony (asking about the panties?)

    I almost hate to write this, but I can see how this could be totally innocent. If this guy has daughters or granddaughters, he could have heard a lot of women ooooh-ing and aaaaw-ing about dress-matching panties. When I was little, that was the height of little girl style. I mean, it could have been meant in a creepy way, but it's not necessarily lewd, and it was said with her mom right there.

    http://buckhead.patch.com/articles/man-charged-with-making-comments-to-child-in-chastain-park

    Either there is much more to this story, or I think this guy is being railroaded.
     
  14. Filly

    Filly KICKING AND SHINING

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    Thank you for all the information angelmom. I wasn't sure if it was a huge park with nobody around or what.

    Steadfast weighed in on the gun. I get that now. I just always go back to Kennesaw making you own a firearm if you reside there. I was thinking "heck Philly would love that law, alrightie". I understand carrying during a crime though. However did he commit a crime?

    Me? If he truly did say that I'd be freaked. "Your dress is pretty, honey" certainly, but not a reference to the panties. O/T but not I dressed my DD in dresses often. I was one of those 'Keep a little girl like a little girl" kind of people. While still even in diapers and beyond I bought tons of those eyelet over the diaper/underwear fancy pants. People do comment on little girls when they are dressed. certainly older people who were used to that in their day. However, never did anyone ask about the panties. No way.

    Maybe he didn't say it? Maybe he did? Guess we'll see if there are witnesses.

    Oh Stone Mountain, Georgia is rough, eh? I had no idea.
     
  15. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I don't see molestation unless there's more to it.



     
  16. LCoastMom

    LCoastMom JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE - STILL WAITING

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    Re ^^posts^^ could it be the way he said it, along with where his hands were at the time? I think most of us know "that look" - if someone gave it to my child, I'd want him arrested too - combined with hands in pockets or on crotch would remove all doubt of his possibly innocent intentions.

    While we know perps are seldom caught on first attempts, 65 seems old for this kind of deviant behavior to start. Possibly some sort of age related brain disorder, that caused him to make the comment in a letch-like-manner? IDK - I realize I'm grasping here...
     
  17. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

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    Just FYI, about Kennessaw's gun law...it's not really like that.

    http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

    He said the law in its final form has many loopholes, so not everyone is required to own a gun.

    "There are many outs," he said. "When you look at it, almost anyone could fit into one of the exempted groups."

    Kennesaw Police Chief Dwaine Wilson said no one has ever been prosecuted under the ordinance.


    Also funny:

    And Kennesaw isn't the only city in Cobb with an unusual law on the books.

    According to Jeff Koon, who runs a Web site specializing in funny laws, Dumblaws.com, Acworth has a ordinance requiring residents to own a rake.
     
  18. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    Regarding gun laws, I'm not familiar with Kennesaw's but I used to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Georgia. I got my permit after a friend, Jennifer Stone, was murdered in 1992 (http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2009/08/unsolved-murder-of-jeniifer-lynn-stone.html) - still unsolved.

    If you have a holster - even in your pocket or glovebox or coat - then it is not concealed. If you just drop your gun in your pocket or glovebox or coat without a holster - then it IS concealed.

    Just an FYI. It's very easy to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Georgia.
     
  19. LaWanda

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    I have to weigh in on this. I agree, Stone Mountain is NOT the place (residential area) to go walking around. I LOVE Chastain Park and have driven there from my home in Suwanee plenty of times (there and Piedmont Park) and it's a good 30 minute drive. I think this was totally innocent. My dad has remarked on a lot of kids clothing, as I have 3 boys, and my sister has 2 girls and a boy. It could have been as innocent as "wow, I have to tell LaWanda about this dress that she can get for her niece, AND it has matching bloomers." My dad is 76 ....
     
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    LCoastMom JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE - STILL WAITING

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    I've been thinking about this over the last couple days. There are a lot of parents in my family that do the pageant circuit. (I'm not one of them, never could see doing that to my kids.)
    But with some of the pageant parents, there are some questions that come up that are just...weird.
    Asking things that any other circumstances wouldn't really be appropriate, such as "How do you get her to shake her butt like that?" and " Where co you get custom sequined panties for a three year old?" (ANd those are just a couple that I have heard.)
    I wonder if this guy has family that are on the pageant circuit...that might explain it.

    I see a huge difference between a man asking in a conversational way if the dress comes with matching panties and a man that stands there with his hand on his crotch and asks in a lewd way if everything matches...

    Part of me is wanting to jump on the bandwagon and holler about how glad i am that they caught this guy before he did damage and the rest of me is just wondering if they are just trying to make an example of someone...
     

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